Rankings



  • Been wondering about starting specific discussion about the Rankings for a few weeks, and given there has been another shuffle at the top of the rankings it may be worth exploring. (Not sure if there is an official Rankings thread?)

    Ireland clean up the Taffs and go to number one going into the RWC.

    I have a tendency to agree with Pichot that the system appears a little skewed.

    Not that I'm complaining that NZ has lost the Number 1 spot, more that I currently see the two teams fighting it out for Number 1 in the last couple of weeks as being behind in favouritism compared to 2 or 3 other teams.

    So as of Monday when they are reposted Ireland goes to 1. As I'm typing on my phone I can't be bothered trying to work out the other changes. But to my mind the winner of the RWC is more likely to be out of NZ, Eng and SA.

    It's a bit of an anomaly as generally the WR Rankings are a reasonable reflection.

    Would be interested if there are any thoughts as to tweaks to the current system, or a different system altogether?



  • There's nothing wrong with the current system, it's based on results and it shows it like it is. Very close at the top. The only thing that could be tweaked is to spread the margin points bonus. ATM 15 or less Vs 16 or more. Maybe it should be banded win by up to 6, up to 13, up to 20, more than 20.

    The results are going to change massively over RWC, as they are worth double, I guess because you don't want the world champ not being ranked number 1, which possibly could happen maybe?



  • Rankings are fine. Ireland have

    • won back to back against Wales (who were #1)
    • won last 3 against France
    • won last 2 against Aussies
    • won last game versus us
    • won last game against South Africa

    They got thrashed by England but have probably done enough to be number one. There's not much in it.



  • @hydro11 said in Rankings:

    Rankings are fine. Ireland have

    • won back to back against Wales (who were #1)
    • won last 3 against France
    • won last 2 against Aussies
    • won last game versus us
    • won last game against South Africa

    They got thrashed by England but have probably done enough to be number one. There's not much in it.

    I'm fine with it. They will not respond well to the added pressure



  • @hydro11 said in Rankings:

    Rankings are fine. Ireland have

    • won back to back against Wales (who were #1)
    • won last 3 against France
    • won last 2 against Aussies
    • won last game versus us
    • won last game against South Africa

    They got thrashed by England but have probably done enough to be number one. There's not much in it.

    This.

    Big difference between

    1. in a one-off match who would most likely win, and
    2. over the course of a season who's had the best record.


  • NZ 92.47
    Eng 89.74
    Wales 88.87
    SA 85.75
    IRE 84.45
    Japan 82.08
    Aus 81.90
    France 81.30
    Scot 79.23
    Arg 78.31
    Japan have shot through the concealed roof in Tokyo...great to see them climbing...hope it's higher after tonight.



  • @Blackheart What? Ozzie are down 6, so they lost the number one slot to seventh?

    Edit oh down from 6th lol



  • I didnt think these were updated until Monday normally?



  • @taniwharugby this website did them live, but yes official no ranking change until Monday 12 Dublin time

    https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc/



  • @Machpants Mmmm...your'e right...here's the link says they're down 6..which means they were 1st
    . Maybe I'll send BillyB a quick email.



  • @Blackheart said in IRB rankings:

    NZ (same) 92.47
    Eng (up 3) 89.74
    Wales (down 2) 88.87

    How can we be the same (at 1) and Wales down 2 to 3rd...and Ireland down 4 to 5th, so according to that, us, Ireland, Wales & Aus were al 1st, SA were 9th..



  • Those number are what the last position was, Ozzie 7th (down from 6th)





  • Sorry Ive misread this...still hung over from drinking too much great NZ Cabernet last night....Eng up from 3 to2. RSA up from 5 to 4. Japan up from 7 to 6. Wales down from 2 to 3. Ireland down from 4 to 5. Aus down from 6 to 7.



  • @taniwharugby said in IRB rankings:

    I didnt think these were updated until Monday normally?

    Usually. But I tthey'thinkI read 're doing after every game during RWC.

    And not to go all @Stargazer but don't we already have a rankings thread?





  • If I can work out how to merge I will later.



  • Aussies below Japan in the rankings. Time to re-admit the Sunwolves to Super Rugby and let Japan join the Rugby Championships.



  • @sparky said in Rankings:

    Aussies below Japan in the rankings. Time to re-admit the Sunwolves to Super Rugby and let Japan join the Rugby Championships.

    Sorry but bollocks on the sun wolves. They're mostly not Japanese qualified and the JRU wanted to keep them subsidized by the rest of SANZAAR for the foreseeable future. They can pay their own way or fuck off



  • @Machpants

    It's called investment. Japan has 127 million people, is the world's third largest economy and has sheds lots of new Rugby fans. The country is going to bring a lot of revenue to Rugby.

    Some talk of European Rugby offering Japan a spot in the Six Nations if SANZAAR turns up its nose.


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