Northland vs BOP



  • BOP, next stop on the pain-train of the Taniwha fans.

    One team hit hard with injuries (heard we have blown our player budget this year due to injuries) and woefully out of form, vs another in great form.

    Normally, when Northland & BOP meet, you can throw form books out the window, but I think the way the 2 teams are playing and the basic errors Northland are making, there would need to be a significant form reversal if we are to push them, let alone beat them.

    Not heard much more on the injury front, Matich limped off on Friday night, and most of the other starters sitting on the injury bench, it didnt sound like they were close enough to returning to be back for Sunday.

    Assuming alot:
    Te Whata-Colley, Atkins, Tu'ungafasi
    Caird, Maynavanua
    McNamara, Matiu, Matich
    Levien, Debreczeni
    Tua, Cherrington
    Rae, Gregory, Roberts-Te Nana

    Thats what I'd like to see, but injury may change a couple and in the absence of Olsen, Nock will start as captain (I will add I do like what Nock CAN bring to the game, but feel he is playing well below what he is capable of)



  • Straker will be back from injury, but nobody else unfortunately..
    After watching Jonty Rae hobbling around, that will be a miracle recovery ..Matich will be another interesting one to see if he plays.



  • @Steven-Harris

    While Straker has the physical attributes, he just hasnt stepped up as I had hoped he would.

    Yeah as I said, I was assuming alot...Jonty was hobbling from the outset last week, so am just hoping he might get a run if fit.

    Yeah Matich didnt look good when I saw him trying to make his way to the sideline, unfortunately there was a couple of defensive rucks and then an attack he was involved in when he looked like he could barely walk, let alone run, cant fault that mans effort!!



  • @taniwharugby it’s a real shame we can’t go outside the squad..maybe we have to look at the way we contract players moving forward ..we have played by the rules ,signing as many guys as we can before the season starts..,running HP programs during the season, it must be incredibly frustrating for the coaching management, especially if there is someone in the Dev squad playing well but because we have got to use the squad contracted players, what do you do..?,
    At least if you did not have so many guys contracted ,you could either go back to someone in the Dev squad or loan player who is under used from another union..
    Be interested to get someone else’s thoughts ...?



  • @Steven-Harris when you say we cant go outside the squad and need to look at contracting, arent the rules around going outside the squads named set down by NZR, rather than how players are contracted?

    Although I expect the rule template is the similar to that used in Super rugby and to a lesser extent the RWC, whereby you cannot go outside your originally named squad unless the player is ruled out completely?



  • You don't fool us for a second !! Northland has always been our boagie side and using the old "You should beat us etc etc" thing won't work.

    In the past BOP has been well known for being inconsistent and usually seriously bombs at least once in a season so I wouldn't write off your chances just yet.

    Sure...You will be the underdogs but our team would be fools to underestimate you.



  • @Snollygoster underestimate us at your leisure.

    I'll be happy if we get a BP from this game, even better if we get 2!!

    I usually look forward to the Northland - BOP matches, as they are usually good matches, but me, like most Northland fans are a bit down on our team at present, hence the less than optimistic outlook with out injuries and general poor play



  • @Snollygoster if we had the 2018 team..I would backs us..but you guys should go into this game as massive favourites ..



  • I have never seen this site so quiet. Usually we are angry but this year I sense utter despair. We should be over this crap. We have a much better talent pool than ever before. Yes we have injuries but before the injuries this we were hopeless - the backline that has been inept all season. So inept that the Coach(s) must be wondering if they will make the end of the season. As a fan of Northland rugby (always) you have to wonder where we go from here? Starts at the top....

    Have to think that contracted players should have team performance clauses...which allow them to be dropped (retaining payment) and development players brought in.

    Every team seems to have its year except for us.



  • @Snollygoster said in Northland vs BOP:

    You don't fool us for a second !! Northland has always been our boagie side and using the old "You should beat us etc etc" thing won't work.

    Yep, the Tainiwha are sneakily laying banana skins across the Brynderwyn's and all the way to Whangarei, and are crossing their fingers that we won't notice in time!



  • Unfortunately northland does not have enough class in the key positions that a team can be built around, out of the 7 key positions that i feel really matter, tight head prop, and lock, open side, half back, first five, wing and full back we cover 3 poss 4. We have potential but lack class in the others which then falls back on to the coaches to design the structures etc that will expose the teams full potential and make them competative which i dont feel is happening yet. Good structures wont dismantle under fatgue and pressure as easily as they are at the moment, i dont think fitness is an issue but it does look like some have put on too much mass which has slowed them down abit. Nock has been recieving some slack but he needs to get front foot ball to be affective, he seems to have to back track alot to make the rucks which becomes hard after a while. May still be worth a sneaky bet on them agsinst b.o.p its bound to happen sooner or later.



  • @Donsteppa I could spike the Steamers drinks , and they would still run out and do the business..I get off a plane coming back from OZ on Sunday evening...I will be in a serious state of WTF if the Taniwha do the unimaginable....I think you can bank this one..we have no bananas skins



  • @Steven-Harris said in Northland vs BOP:

    @taniwharugby it’s a real shame we can’t go outside the squad..maybe we have to look at the way we contract players moving forward ..we have played by the rules ,signing as many guys as we can before the season starts..,running HP programs during the season, it must be incredibly frustrating for the coaching management, especially if there is someone in the Dev squad playing well but because we have got to use the squad contracted players, what do you do..?,
    At least if you did not have so many guys contracted ,you could either go back to someone in the Dev squad or loan player who is under used from another union..
    Be interested to get someone else’s thoughts ...?

    From the Regulations:

    2.2 The Playing 23 of any Premier Competition Union for the Premier Competition and the
    Ranfurly Shield shall consist only of Players who are:
    (a) Local Players in accordance with clause 3;
    (b) Loan Players in accordance with clause 4;
    (c) Returning New Zealand Players in accordance with clause 5;
    (d) Overseas Players in accordance with clause 6
    provided that the combined number of Loan Players and Overseas Players does not
    exceed six (or four in a Non-Mandatory Challenge against a Heartland Championship
    Union).
    
    2.3 A Player must become a party to a Provincial Union Contract or a Provincial Union
    Development Contract, in order to participate in the Premier Competition.
    
    (...)
    

    So a player in the match day 23 can be a player with a full or a development contract.
    It can be a local player, but also a loan or returning player, as long as certain conditions are met.

    3 LOCAL PLAYERS
    3.1 “Local Player” means a Player who:
    (a) is Registered with a club competing in a competition conducted under the
    control and jurisdiction of that Provincial Union;
    (b) has not been Registered with, or Played for, a club or other rugby organisation
    affiliated to another Provincial Union or national union after the Premier
    Competition Cut-Off Date (for the avoidance of doubt this will not include a
    Player playing only for a national representative team or touring team);
    (c) is not captured by another Provincial Union pursuant to the NZRU Player
    Movement Regulations; and
    (d) has completed a World Rugby Clearance
    etc etc etc
    

    For Loan players to be eligible to play, a Loan Arrangement must be signed. This must happen in a particular time frame:

    (f) the Loan Arrangement is entered into in accordance with the following time
    frames:
    (i) for a front row player, the Loan Arrangement is entered into before the
    Borrowing Provincial Union has played ten games in the current Premier
    Competition; or
    (ii) for a player other than a front row player, the Loan Arrangement is
    entered into before the Borrowing Provincial Union has played five games
    in the current Premier Competition.
    
    4.2 (a) There is no limit upon the number of Players which a Provincial Union may lend
    or borrow but the Playing 23 of any Premier Competition Union may not include
    more than six Loan Players, provided that the combined number of Overseas
    Players and Loan Players does not exceed six.
    

    Exception:

    4.3 A Player who is not a party to a Provincial Union Contract or Provincial Union
    Development Contract may enter into a Provincial Union Contract or Provincial Union
    Development Contract at any time. 
    


  • @Nath-Jac what do you think about changing the contracting structure..?, I would imagine you would still have to offer a full contract to a Super Rugby player..but for the player that your not 100% sure about or the one that wants to come to Northland but your not to sure about...apparently Northland gets a lot of CVs sent to the union ,but it would a big risk to fully contract someone on either or CV or a video..(that worked really well last time we treaded that path)..2 Argie props come to mind..be interested in thoughts as someone who has coached ..



  • @Stargazer that’s a lot of red tape..probably explains why they stick with the squad .



  • @kev said in Northland vs BOP:

    I have never seen this site so quiet. Usually we are angry but this year I sense utter despair. We should be over this crap. We have a much better talent pool than ever before. Yes we have injuries but before the injuries this we were hopeless - the backline that has been inept all season. So inept that the Coach(s) must be wondering if they will make the end of the season. As a fan of Northland rugby (always) you have to wonder where we go from here? Starts at the top....

    Have to think that contracted players should have team performance clauses...which allow them to be dropped (retaining payment) and development players brought in.

    Every team seems to have its year except for us.

    Nailed it.



  • @taniwharugby
    Every thing you have written there is controlled by the coaches and trainers I think alot of the boys have gone backwards. I too was quite excited by this squad. But I think northland has well underperformed again for the 3rd year in a row.

    2017 should have done much better maybe won it.
    2018 I believe rangers brilliance covered woefully coached backs.
    This year has been dire besides set piece.



  • Can we play the game already so that you lot can stop wallowing in mid-season misery? 🙂

    I'm still not convinced by your page of laments that @taniwharugby isn't out there somewhere scurrying around trying to hide a container load of banana skins...



  • So what is par? BOP by 25?



  • @Donsteppa are we only mid-season? faaaark!

    I am undecided if I tip 17+ again this week....or be optimistic and go 8-16 🤔

    PLus, you can blame @Duluth for the software update that this appears here and not tucked away in the depths of the Northland forum!! 🙂



  • My main worry for this game is that it is the first we've played this season where we are not only expected to win but expected to win easily. 13+ to us is the favoured result at the TAB. I worry that we will stop doing the hard work that has got us into this position (especially in defence) and may also be tempted to rotate too much.

    {Banana skin emoji}



  • Anyone suggesting anything other than a big BOP win has clearly not watched any of Northlands games this year. Either that or you have rocks in your head.



  • Team to face BOP:

    Tu'ungafasi, Atkins, Straker
    Sweetman, Caird
    McNamara, Matich, Matiu
    Nock, Debreczeni
    Hohaia, Johnson
    Rae, Roberts-Te Nana, Gregory

    Bench: Hyde, Te Whata-Colley, Wright, Funaki, Stokes, Levien, Smith, Leilua

    Injured: Ranger, Robinson, Goodhue, Hawkins, Brynes, Olsen, Jacobson, Mayanavanua, Tua

    Sigh, back to the Hohaia-Johnson mid-field.



  • Perhaps just award us the five points right now - so that we don’t interrupt the demise of the Northland Union with match day posts? 🙂

    EDIT: too late, I see a team naming post has broken out!



  • @Donsteppa I started this in the Northland forum, I can talk about what I want, BITCH...go start your own thread if you dont like it! 🙂

    But yeah, 5 points, take it now!

    See I did talk about the match 2 posts up ⬆



  • @taniwharugby said in Northland vs BOP:

    @Donsteppa I started this in the Northland forum, I can talk about what I want, BITCH...go start your own thread if you dont like it! 🙂

    But yeah, 5 points, take it now!

    See I did talk about the match 2 posts up ⬆

    Like a Mafia cares about matters of home forum when you keep gatecrashing my unread posts feed 🙂



  • @Donsteppa not a real mafia! :🏹



  • @taniwharugby said in Northland vs BOP:

    @Donsteppa not a real mafia! :🏹

    Yep, a Mafia too lazy to maintain a website these days...

    The Manawatu win over Canterbury still has me looking for those banana skins. We’ve lost to you lot too many times to take anything for granted... (but if you’d like to hand over the points now, we’d be very happy 🙂 )



  • @taniwharugby after seeing the Turbos tear the form book after last night..hoping the boys take some inspiration from that result..one thing that always impresses me about Taniwha supporters on this forum ,like their supporters who turn up to games , they never shy away wether they win or lose and are always open to a debate .



  • @Steven-Harris I know one who had the sulks last Friday, but luckily he will be there on Sunday!!



  • Check out the reserve lock.

    Bay of Plenty: 1: Aidan Ross 2: Nathan Vella 3: Ross Geldenhuys 4: Aaron Carroll 5: Baden Wardlaw 6: Hugh Blake 7: Ajay Lafaele-Mua 8: Hoani Matenga 9: Richard Judd 10: Kaleb Trask 11: Fa’siu Fuatai 12: Chase Tiatia 13: Mathew Skipwith-Garland 14: Emoni Narawa 15: Cole Forbes
    Reserves: Kurt Eklund, Tevita Mafileo, Jeff Thwaites, Tom Franklin, Mitchell Karpik, Leroy Carter, Jason Robertson, Joseva Ravouvou



  • @Snollygoster Woohoo!!!

    Chase Tiatia at 12 is... interesting.



  • @taniwharugby said in Northland vs BOP:

    @Steven-Harris I know one who had the sulks last Friday, but luckily he will be there on Sunday!!

    Who might that big sook be? 😛



  • @J77 and Southland put us down at the bottom of table. Come on boys, thought we were past this.



  • Looking forward to watching a game of rugby with quality pictures! thank you (SKY) also looking forward to watching Tiatia at 12 and Franklin playing for the bay again.



  • Weather looks to be good...at leastvthats something we can do right 😎



  • @taniwharugby said in Northland vs BOP:

    Weather looks to be good...at leastvthats something we can do right 😎

    Methinks they doth protesteth too much and are up to something #OverdoneUnderdog 😊



  • @Donsteppa wish that were true...



  • Northland women got up in the final play to beat NH 27-21.

    Yesterday
    Northland U16 beat NH U16 27-22 (not sure where played)
    Northland U14 beat Thames Valley 53-10 in Thames.



  • There were kids in Northland sweatshirts at the Waikato-Tasman game yesterday.


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