Too many pick-a-nic baskets ...



  • Hi. I'm booboo and I'm fat.

    Have reached my fat bastard threshold, the point at which I have decided I need to do something about it.

    My weight has slowly yet steadily been creeping up over the last year (no footy) from the mildly "morbidly obese" 108kg (which I've been for too long) to the far too fat 113.5kg.

    I've been telling myself I'll exercise my way out of it - while not changing the eating - but have also been quite slack at gymming.

    So Mrs boo (who's own motivation has sparked this) and self have:

    1. gone to see a dietician recommended by a friend of hers that lost truck loads
    2. been given book on meals by said friend (referenced by said dietician)
    3. logged on to [url="http://www.calorieking.com.au"]www.calorieking.com.au[/url]

    The website is awesome as we've been given a set number of calories to aim at (1600 for me, 1200 for Mrs boo) (amongst other stuff like percentages of proteins, carbohydrates and certain foods that supposedly help weight loss), and it does a great job at tracking that.

    Anyways ... have hit 111kg already in the first week. Somebody said "it's all fluid" - but I'm not sure what that means.

    And will be ensuring more diligence at exercising too.

    Have not read other threads on here as yet .. so hope I have complied with the protocol for here .

    More comments and less booboo in the coming weeks (hopefully).



  • Good work dude, how tall are ya for point of reference ?

    Personally virtual cold turkey on the booze has worked wonders for me these last couple of weeks.



  • Great to see you join the ex-fat bastards forum. By keeping your weblog up to date and checking in on the progress of others you will keep the motivation up. Most on here started for he exact same reasons as you and myself included started at around the 113-116kg range. Am happy to say that I have lost 20kg and maintained that loss for the last 2 years.



  • [quote name='MN5' timestamp='1347868041' post='311580']Good work dude, how tall are ya for point of reference ?

    Personally virtual cold turkey on the booze has worked wonders for me these last couple of weeks.[/quote]

    +1. I don't really drink that much any more, and I think I enjoy it more for that reason.

    Eating control is the way to go. The first ten kegs will just drop off, and then you can start getting serious about the exercise

    Keeping all the info in a spreadsheet also helps. Weekly measure of weight, chest, waist, and hips is as great motivator.



  • Welcome booboo.

    1600 calories seems VERY LOW for someone your size mate. You must be quite hungry????

    As a point of reference I usually aim for around 2500 to just maintain my weight (around 80kg) and about 2000 for when I am trying to trim the fat right down (like now).

    Good luck with the goals!



  • Weight loss first then transition to focusing on your bodyshape (esp if you are doing weights and/or cardio). That app sounds awesome. My cousin, who is a big tall bastard, had a lot of trouble losing his puppy fat. He is in his early 20s and by taking up running and tracking his kai on a phone app he's cut down amazingly. He's fit and stoked at being that much healthier.

    Good to have you onboard booboo!! I think most of us find updating our threads a really good motivator for our respective training goals. Join us in commiserating our broken ass bodies (injuries! yuck!) and celebrating our feats of strength lol.



  • [quote name='NTA' timestamp='1347876316' post='311612']
    +1. I don't really drink that much any more, and I think I enjoy it more for that reason.

    Eating control is the way to go. The first ten kegs will just drop off, and then you can start getting serious about the exercise

    Keeping all the info in a spreadsheet also helps. Weekly measure of weight, chest, waist, and hips is as great motivator.
    [/quote]

    Today is check in day
    Weight 111.0kg
    Chest 111cm
    Waist 108cm
    Hips 109cm

    (didn't record measurements last week).

    I see I actually peaked at 114.5 when I weighed myself last Monday - but for some reason I was down to 113.5 the next day when I started this. So I'm taking that as my starting weight.

    [quote name='JK' timestamp='1347910255' post='311650']
    Welcome booboo.

    1600 calories seems VERY LOW for someone your size mate. You must be quite hungry????

    As a point of reference I usually aim for around 2500 to just maintain my weight (around 80kg) and about 2000 for when I am trying to trim the fat right down (like now).

    Good luck with the goals!
    [/quote]

    1600 was the target given to me. And 1850 would be a level to maintain weight.

    Accoding to some sources it does seem low - Calorie King website had something higher (which I've forgotten) - but remarkably un-hungry. Amzing how 150g (or less) of meat and a salad fills you up!! Weird.

    Bonus is doing this with Mrs boo is she'll look damn hot at the end of it - so my motivation to keep up with her



  • [quote/]
    Bonus is doing this with Mrs boo is she'll look damn hot at the end of it - so my motivation to keep up with her
    [/quote]

    Plus you'll have more energy to keep up!!

    I may or may not have dropped 'it' from the above sentence!! ahem...



  • [quote name='NTA' timestamp='1347876316' post='311612']
    +1. I don't really drink that much any more, and I think I enjoy it more for that reason.

    Eating control is the way to go. The first ten kegs will just drop off, and then you can start getting serious about the exercise

    Keeping all the info in a spreadsheet also helps. Weekly measure of weight, chest, waist, and hips is as great motivator.
    [/quote]

    Yeah I do that as well on an excel thing at home, If I do a rep or two less than last time I try and think why ( poor sleep, stress or whatever ) and make sure I do the same or better next time. How the shirts/jeans feel is a good indicator too although they are a bit snug right out of the wash sometimes.

    Regarding the booze I treated myself to a lager from New World last night which was no where near as satisfying as I thought it would be !



  • I also hardly drink nowdays and when I do I go low carb and its actually not bad. Only have a couple per fortnight anyway so minimal impact.

    Another good site to track your eats is myfitnesspal.com. I run this on my blackberry and track everything I eat. Still think even 1850 is low. I'm steadily dropping weight on 2000cals at 80kg.



  • I drink f-all, but I also dont think about denying myself, if I wanna beer/wine/drambuie, I have one (I mean cooking steak on the BBQ just aint the same without a beer in hand even though I use my BBQ pretty much weekly, I dont always have a beer)

    There is always something in the fridge or cupboard, but I just dont get through it very quickly.

    Am upgrading to a smartphone finally, and will be looking at some of the apps about.



  • Check-in day.

    110.0kg even. Lost 1kg, 3.5kg overall in 2 weeks.

    Rapt with that as had looong weekend away and allowed myself to relax wrt to intake (both solid and - ahem - liquid .... not over the top just more than I intended.)

    Conversely did a reasonable amount of exercise walking through bush, up hill and down dale to look at waterfalls and such like. Mrs boo dragged me out of bed before sun rise this morning (remembering this is Qld and the sun rises at 5:15am) for an hour walk. Mrs boo less happy with her result after weekend despite exercise.

    Trouble with taking time off work is that it impacted on Fern time (i.e., have to go like a bugger to get stuff done before I go away ... and will have to do same to catch up) so have not had time to come back on here and reply at all - or peruse the other threads - so sorry guys.

    Measurements:
    Chest 110cm (-1cm)
    Waist 108cm (nil)
    Hips 109cm (-1cm)
    (measurement may be a bit more accurate this week though as had to fuge using a piece of string last week but ofund Mrs boo's tape measure today... )



  • 1600 cals - I don't even get down to that when leaning down - think about 1700. And I end up with hbodyfat of 2%, so look out!!

    Be careful about doing this, lsiing weight, and then going back to how you used to eat. If the eating plan you are following is not sustainable for the rest of your life, then it is really a waste of time, and can slot into 'fad diet' category. If that makes sense. It's one of my favourite hates, when people diet, lose weight, hit thir target, and then resume eating the same way they did when they were fat, what the hell do they expect!!!!

    anyway, good work!

    and 'it's all fluid', yup, when you first start cutting out all the crap carbs and things, your body lets go a ton of water. Apparently for each carb molecule your body takes it, it also takes in two water molocules. So you are a giant sponge!!



  • ^ What that guy said.

    I've come to accept the changes I've made, and that every luxury must be followed by disciplined eating and exercise.

    There is a point where the volume of luxuries simply cannot be balanced.

    This is the investment. The return is looking fitter than I ever have, and eventually a body like a (somewhat hairy) male model



  • Check-in day.

    108.5kg even. Lost 1.5kg, 5.0kg overall in 3 weeks.

    Measurements:
    Chest 108cm (-2cm, -3 overall)
    Waist 104cm (104cm -4 overall)
    Hips 108cm (-1cm, -2 overall)

    Thanks all for the advice re the calories. Have looked around at some more sources and agree that the 1600 seems very low. Checked the book that the dude gave us and it is 1600 that he wants me on ... so I don't know. It's working and I'm not too hungry. Had a couple of days when I'm rumbling just before bed so have a nibble (whereas previously I'd scoff 4 or more bits of bread and butter ... or should that be butter with a bit of bread ...) which probably puts me slightly over.

    And a couple of nights away over the last fortnight and have gone over the allocation - but obviosly have managed to keep things reasomably in check. If I plug in my exercise my net calories always stay below the 1600 ... but I'm trying to concentrate on reducing intake of crap first and foremost and not wanting to think I can exercise my way out of a pig-out.

    Have seriously cut down the alcohol (haven't got around to posting on TR's thread on off topic - will do so when I get a few moments), and limited myself to one mid-strength beer (Friday arvo work) and two glasses of Sav blanc (Saturday arvo). As I said above the effect of the reduced alcohol is two-fold (or three-fold or more-fold) as a. I'm not taking in those calories, b. not snacking/eating as I'm drinkning, c. I'm more inclined to exercise/be active.

    Will do my best not to yo-yo diet Bart. And thanks for clarifying that fluid thing!

    And Nick, at 44 I doubt whether I'll get back to being the fittest I've ever been - back in my ealry 20s (gulp 20 years ago) was 96kg with absolutely SFA body fat, gymming my heart out, playing footy and training and trying to turn what little talent I had into a starting spot in my second division club's senior team. Can't see that but another 8-10 kg would be good.



  • At 35 I aim to be fitter ( all round ) than I have ever been, I was very lean ( but no muscles ) and fit in my late teens, thought I was bulking up the right way when I went from the late 70's to about 95kg but much of this was down to filling out and a combo of a few weights but mainly too much beer. This all culminated in hitting 108kg in London which even at my height ( 1.9m ) was too much.



  • Hah London sure has the effect. I too got in the worst shape of my life over there!



  • The Heathrow injection!!

    I hit the UK a toned 84kg and had been trying to gain weight with all manner of supplements for about a year or more...within 5 months of hitting the UK I was 105kg!

    Oddly, even when I was very fit playing footy over there, gym, running, training I was playing at around 98kg, now arond 95kg.



  • Yep, London can fuck up your health like no other city. Whilst I kept up the drinking I tried to clean up the diet and despite smashing pints of Guinness galore I got down to 89kg when I got home to NZ, if only it were that easy now !!!



  • Reading a good book at the moment called 'power eating' on what you should eat for traiing needs etc. I think just to live, your body needs about (from memory, will go back and find out) 1200 for women and 1400 calories for men.



  • Experimented with cutting my eating right back and started having had spins at work one day - while walking down a three story staircase was in the middle stages of the year of loss so I was still tricking around 106 at the time.

    Definitely can be done, but can be dangerous



  • [quote name='booboo' timestamp='1349141018' post='314740']And Nick, at 44 I doubt whether I'll get back to being the fittest I've ever been - back in my ealry 20s (gulp 20 years ago) was 96kg with absolutely SFA body fat, gymming my heart out, playing footy and training and trying to turn what little talent I had into a starting spot in my second division club's senior team. Can't see that but another 8-10 kg would be good.
    [/quote]
    Well, at 42 myself, I have to disagree with you. Maybe not to your best, but you can still be very fit. I regularly beat a friend who is a runner and over 10 years younger/10kg lighter on the long hill climbs (although I can't run like him anymore). I'm working on improving my other fitness as well. I just need to rest more (recovery) and eat carefully, with enough protein.
    Give it your best, then when you are used to that, push harder! Good luck.



  • I reckon my (run) fitness is up there as fit as I have been (now 38) and able to run distances and tracks I used to struggle with when I was playing footy, gyming, chasing tail, boozing etc, although I wonder if diet has played it's part in having better energy levels to fight off fatigue whereas when I was younger I'd eat and drink alot of bad stuff but think it was ok cos I was doing so much exercise & sports



  • I think a lot of it is willpower. Look at the better track athletes - a lot of them don't hit their peak until their late 20s, and part of that is discipline.

    I was never into distance running or any of that shit, so I can't really compare what I do now to my youth. What I [i]do[/i] know is:

    1. I'd never run 10km in my life until a week after my 36th birthday
    2. I couldn't break 30 minutes for 5km until I was 35
    3. I didn't even have the willpower to run 1km in my 20s, or to control my eating, or to realise how it was affecting my marriage

    Age = wisdom, and you'd be surprised what you can achieve as age catches up with you I've got a mate who rode Adelaide-Darwin unsupported when he was your age booboo, and then Cairns-Brisbane a few months later.

    I aim to be that hard, lean old bastard that my daughter's boyfriends learn to fear and respect



  • I dont think I will ever be as fit as I was in my teens but I am sure a hell of a lot stronger that I have ever been before and hopefully my fitness levels are still pretty good. I eat a hell of a lot better now too but like taniwharugby I prob got away with it due to the amount of running i did.

    I will probably get in to running again one day when I'm over 40 but it'll be long distance and not fast middle distance running. Dont think I will ever do 6km again in under 20mins like I used to do in my road race days. Have no real desire too either!



  • Check-in day.

    107.8kg even. Lost 0.7kg, 5.7kg overall in 4 weeks.

    Measurements:
    Chest 106cm (-2cm, -5 overall)
    Waist 104cm (0cm, -4 overall)
    Hips 102cm (-6cm, -7 overall)

    Something odd going odd with waist and hip measurements ... but hey ...



  • [quote name='BartMan' timestamp='1349300260' post='315107']
    Reading a good book at the moment called 'power eating' on what you should eat for traiing needs etc. I think just to live, your body needs about (from memory, will go back and find out) 1200 for women and 1400 calories for men.
    [/quote]

    Thanks for that Bart ... at least I'm over the absolute minimum!! Mrs boo's intake is close to that though.



  • [quote name='Kea' timestamp='1349413902' post='315473']
    Well, at 42 myself, I have to disagree with you. Maybe [b]not to your best[/b], but you can still be very fit.[/quote]

    [quote name='NTA' timestamp='1349426516' post='315510']
    I think a lot of it is [b]willpower[/b].

    ...

    I aim to be that hard, lean old bastard that my daughter's boyfriends learn to fear and respect
    [/quote]

    [quote name='JK' timestamp='1349428941' post='315521']
    I dont think I will ever be as fit as I was in my teens but I am sure a hell of a lot stronger that I have ever been before and hopefully my fitness levels are still pretty good. I eat a hell of a lot better now too but like taniwharugby I prob got away with it due to the amount of running i did.

    I will probably get in to running again one day when I'm over 40 but it'll be long distance and not fast middle distance running. Dont think I will ever do 6km again in under 20mins like I used to do in my road race days. [b]Have no real desire too either![/b]
    [/quote]

    My motivation is different. Back in those days as a very average rugby player wanting to play club footy in Auckland, albeit for a second division rugby club (the mighty Eden), and play against and not get hurt by some seriously good rugby players (becuase we did play 1st div clubs occassionally - and they did at times have their rep players back) and not embarrass myself I knew I had to train my ring out just to make the Seniors.

    I don't (currently) have that same goal to motivate me now to thrash myself sprinting up a hill to the point of vomiting.

    Yes I want to be fitter and leaner and scare Ms boo jrs boyfriends (I like that Nick!) but I'm not currently envisaging committing myself to any sport that gives me that external motivation that would make me want to feel sick to get fit.

    I'm currently motivated by being 107.8kg, being 44 and overweight and thinking that is heart attack territory and I don't run around with my daughter as much as I used to even 2 years ago.

    After that - well I'll see how I go.

    ... May even play home games for the Mariners reserves ... don't tell Mrs boo.



  • Rugby never helped me lose weight. In fact, because of the time commitment and recovery, and the misguided belief that it was getting me fit, I didn't do any other real exercise during season. Because I was wearing so many hats at the club I couldn't enjoy the social side either, because otherwise Mrs TA would have flipped (was already blowing away half the weekend on rugby plus training and admin during the week).

    Once September rolled around, I was more interested in enjoying my weekend again and that meant beer and food, and no exercise.

    I don't honestly think I could go back to full-time rugby even once I'm fit, because it would seriously affect my family time and risk injuries that would prevent other training.



  • One hastens to add that one was not considered the best candidate or enthusiast for training either


  • Banned

    Its really inspiring reading these stories of people turning their lives around. While we're all older and wiser now would any of you have done things any differently back then? I used to eat ice cream milkshakes for breakfast and on weekends would often eat a packet of chips as soon as I got up. Every day after work I ate nachos. Every single day. Some of the shit I used to put into my body during my "prime" years makes me shudder. But I probably needed that "binge" period to realise that I couldnt just eat anything and hope to function to the best of my ability.

    One thing I hate about alot of overweight people is them shifting the blame onto the fast food companies, the govt or anyone else. As if it would have made any difference if the nutritional info at KFC was visible or not. None of that happens on this site and its cool to see people taking action and seeing results rather than blaming someone else or waiting for a miracle cure.

    What I do find astonishing is how little people actually know or are taught about nutrition and what is required to lose weight. I recall when I started packing on the beef that my mum advised me to eat more fruit!!! Many think that all breakfast cerials, muesli bars, yoghurts and milks are healthy. They buy tubs of 99% fat free Yogo without even looking at the sugar content.



  • [quote name='Rancid Schnitzel' timestamp='1349772281' post='316618']As if it would have made any difference if the nutritional info at KFC was visible or not. [/quote]

    It does help someone like me make an informed choice in the event I do find myself eating "junk". Even if it is rolling the dice as bit because all the info is based on average quantities. So in that way it is a good thing, but yeah it won't help the family of four who down a bucket of chicken there twice a week.

    A bloke at work just got back from a Singapore holiday and said the shopping was good, but he couldn't find any clothes that fit his fat arse - I pointed out that the pizza he was eating for lunch was three quarters of his daily energy needs and asked him how the buffet at the hotel was...

    As for the rest of what you say above - I occasionally look back and regret the years I spent in gluttony but also think "but fuck it tasted good!" And I had a good time, relative to my experiences up to that point. Now my perspective has changed and I'm having even more fun than ever. Food tastes better because it just DOES, not because it is in endless supply. The what-if scenarios would drive you mad if you thought about them long enough, so I don't bother.



  • Hi all - weekly check-in .

    106.7kg Lost 1.1kg this week, 6.8kg overall in 4 weeks.

    Measurements:
    Chest 108cm (-2cm, -4 overall)
    Waist 101cm (3cm, -7 overall)
    Hips 102cm (0cm, -7 overall)

    Thanks again for all the comments. Will get off my bum and see how everyone else is doing.



  • That's an excellent rate of loss. Be prepared for the rate to slow down though as your body gets used to what you are doing to it, that's when you need to refocus and not cheat.

    Great work!



  • Hi all - weekly check-in .

    106.3kg Lost 0.4kg this week, 7.2kg overall in 5 weeks.

    Measurements:
    Chest 105cm (-3cm, -7 overall)
    Waist 102cm (+1cm, -6 overall)
    Hips 105cm (+3cm, -4 overall)

    Fell off the wagon somewhat this week. Nibbled heaps and had quite a groggy night on Saturday before during and after watching the footy - further bad habits crept in as then snacked and blew out the diet ... and for one reason and another (not lack of motivation just other priorities) have not done as much exercise the back end of this week. So am pleased to have convinced the scales to trend downwards regardless - if not by as much as previous weeks.

    Back on the horse from today.



  • I had a shocker of a weekend in terms of quite a few brews both nights and couldn't resist a whole bag of delicious doritos before falling asleep before the game. DAMN YOU DORITOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Monday was spent doing a shitload of burpees to try and undo any damage.



  • [quote name='booboo' timestamp='1350938706' post='319741']
    and for one reason and another (not lack of motivation just other priorities) have not done as much exercise the back end of this week. So am pleased to have convinced the scales to trend downwards regardless - if not by as much as previous weeks.

    Back on the horse from today.
    [/quote]

    And there is the beauty of understanding how it actually works - you know what you need to do to correct it.

    2 or 3 years ago my attitude to weight loss was very immature, particularly from an eating point of view. I'd have a bad weekend and throw it all in, claiming it was too hard or not working. Fat* people say "why deny yourself?" because self-denial is hard work in the age of buy-now-pay-later.

    The people losing weight in this forum know that it works far better if you pay now, and reap the rewards forever. You can have that bad weekend occasionally, because you've done the work. Then when you get back on that horse you'll whip that little bastard until he's in a lather.

    I had a pig of a weekend - weighed in Saturday at 95.6 in peak calorie management mode, then blew it all in the next two days to weigh in Monday at 97.6. Today I was 96.8 and it'll drop again tomorrow because I'm right where I need to be eating-wise.

    Had a bit of an epiphany yesterday after watching a couple of videos on here and doing my workout. I realised I'm actually able to work a lot harder and should aim to mix up my exercise a hell of a lot more. The only thing holding me back are mental boundaries I've set myself.

    [size=2]* I feel perfectly comfortable using the term "Fat" to describe overweight people. Many wouldn't but lets face it - the reason we have an obesity problem is not just that shit food is widely available, but that people pussy foot around the issues for fear of hurting someone's feelings. The weakness of modern society isn't physical, its mentally not being able to handle adversity.[/size]



  • FAT FAT FAT. Yep, don't be afraid to use that word, dead bloody right. Only time to pussy foot around that is with kids when they're not mentally hard enough to say it. But adults - YOU sir, are FAT. Nothing wrong with that!!



  • Not as fat as I was

    Still fat though ...



  • And proud to admit it - first part of the journey for me. Look yourself right in the eye, face the truth and decide to do something about it.


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