RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Cancelled) (Pool B)



  • So it looks as though we are playing Ireland in the quarter finals as I expect Japan to beat a fairly rubbish Scotland.

    With that in mind do we now role out the big guns all the way in or do we play a similar side to that against Canada?

    Retallick prolly needs another 30 mins too though.

    Jordy is going to need a rest too?



  • @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy Pool B:

    So it looks as though we are playing Ireland in the quarter finals as I expect Japan to beat a fairly rubbish Scotland.

    With that in mind do we now role out the big guns all the way in or do we play a similar side to that against Canada?

    Retallick prolly needs another 30 mins too though.

    Jordy is going to need a rest too?

    Heard Hanson say he wants Retallick to get 60mins next outing



  • @voodoo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy Pool B:

    @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy Pool B:

    So it looks as though we are playing Ireland in the quarter finals as I expect Japan to beat a fairly rubbish Scotland.

    With that in mind do we now role out the big guns all the way in or do we play a similar side to that against Canada?

    Retallick prolly needs another 30 mins too though.

    Jordy is going to need a rest too?

    Heard Hanson say he wants Retallick to get 60mins next outing

    Oh good. That makes sense as we need him 100 v Ireland, even though I think we can comfortably put them away at the moment.



  • @voodoo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy Pool B:

    @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy Pool B:

    So it looks as though we are playing Ireland in the quarter finals as I expect Japan to beat a fairly rubbish Scotland.

    With that in mind do we now role out the big guns all the way in or do we play a similar side to that against Canada?

    Retallick prolly needs another 30 mins too though.

    Jordy is going to need a rest too?

    Heard Hanson say he wants Retallick to get 60mins next outing

    Building him into game shape, excellent. Should be ready to explode come QF time



  • @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy Pool B:

    So it looks as though we are playing Ireland in the quarter finals as I expect Japan to beat a fairly rubbish Scotland.

    With that in mind do we now role out the big guns all the way in or do we play a similar side to that against Canada?

    Retallick prolly needs another 30 mins too though.

    Jordy is going to need a rest too?

    You've assumed we've beaten Italy?

    We're not 100% guaranteed in the QF just yet.

    Having said that I'm inclined to look an 80% strength XXIII in the interests of player management.

    Having said that ... I'm not sure what the top XXIII actually is to start conjecturing on where they may tinker.



  • It’s only Italy.....

    9 - A. Smith
    10 - Mo’unga
    11 - Bridge
    12 - SBW
    13 - Crotty
    14 - Ioane
    15 - B. Barrett

    21 - Perenara
    22 - Goodhue
    23 - B. Smith



  • @booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy Pool B:

    So it looks as though we are playing Ireland in the quarter finals as I expect Japan to beat a fairly rubbish Scotland.

    With that in mind do we now role out the big guns all the way in or do we play a similar side to that against Canada?

    Retallick prolly needs another 30 mins too though.

    Jordy is going to need a rest too?

    You've assumed we've beaten Italy?

    We're not 100% guaranteed in the QF just yet.

    Having said that I'm inclined to look an 80% strength XXIII in the interests of player management.

    Having said that ... I'm not sure what the top XXIII actually is to start conjecturing on where they may tinker.

    I assume we have beaten Italy in the same way I assumed we were going to beat Canada and Namibia. Just the margin changes.



  • @booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    You've assumed we've beaten Italy?
    We're not 100% guaranteed in the QF just yet.

    Does this work the same as cricket and we have to send you to bed early?

    When exactly did you go to bed when we were versing Namibia? Huh?



  • @Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    When exactly did you go to bed when we were versing Namibia? Huh?

    Arrggghhhh

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  • @Stargazer Very deliberate. Look who I was talking to. His pet hate.



  • @Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @Stargazer Very deliberate. Look who I was talking to. His pet hate.

    You write this as if I only have one...



  • @booboo I laugh!



  • This might be heresy - but not totally sure Retallick will make starting 15 in the QF unless totally up to speed.

    Barrett, Whitelock and Patty T all playing very well.



  • @Frank said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    This might be heresy

    What do you mean - "might"?

    Heathen.



  • @Frank said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    This might be heresy - but not totally sure Retallick will make starting 15 in the QF unless totally up to speed.

    Barrett, Whitelock and Patty T all playing very well.

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  • @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    It’s only Italy.....

    9 - A. Smith
    10 - Mo’unga
    11 - Bridge
    12 - SBW
    13 - Crotty
    14 - Ioane
    15 - B. Barrett

    Very likely based on the first 3 games.

    SA: Crotty and ALB (SBW)
    Canada: SBW and Goodhue (Crotty)
    Namibia: ALB and Goodhue



  • Team I'd pick

    Moody, Taylor, Laulala, Patrick T, Retallick, S. Barrett, Todd, Read, A.Smith, R. Mo'unga, Bridge, SBW, Crotty, Reece, B.Smith

    Coles, Moli, Ta'avao, S.Whitelock, Cane, TJP, B.Barrett, J.Barrett.

    Given week off: Ardie Savea, ALB and Ofa T.



  • Really hard to know what will take precedence in this game - the need to conserve energy for a potential long play-off run or the need to give our top team game time and a dress rehearsal (bearing in mind that this game has to be won). Bit of mix and match, I think.

    Maybe something like:

    Tuúngafasi, Coles, Laulala, Retallick, SBarrett, Cane, Todd, Read, ASmith, Mo'unga, Bridge, SBW, Crotty, Reece, BBarrett

    Moody, Coltman, Taávao, Whitelock, Frizell, Weber, Lienert-Brown, JBarrett

    Leaving Taylor, Moli, Tuipolotu, Savea, Perenara, Goodhue, BSmith and Ioane out.

    Taylor, Savea, Perenara and BSmith to come back into the top 23 for the play-offs.



  • @Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    Really hard to know what will take precedence in this game - the need to conserve energy for a potential long play-off run or the need to give our top team game time and a dress rehearsal (bearing in mind that this game has to be won). Bit of mix and match, I think.

    Maybe something like:

    Tuúngafasi, Coles, Laulala, Retallick, SBarrett, Cane, Todd, Read, ASmith, Mo'unga, Bridge, SBW, Crotty, Reece, BBarrett

    Moody, Coltman, Taávao, Whitelock, Frizell, Weber, Lienert-Brown, JBarrett

    Leaving Coles, Moli, Tuipolotu, Savea, Perenara, Goodhue, BSmith and Ioane out.

    Coles, Savea, Perenara and BSmith to come back into the top 23 for the play-offs.

    Because everyone loves a corrector ...



  • @Chris-B sounds good although I'd swap Tuipulotu for Whitelock and get Bfa a run. Lots of early subs.



  • @booboo Ah yes - supposed to be Taylor not playing but coming back for the play-offs. 🙂

    I've revised the intial post.



  • @Bones Spot on with lots of early subs.

    I think if Brodie is playing 60 minutes then Whitelock can have 20 off the bench to groove him for the play-offs.

    I initially had BFA in for Reece, but I think Ben has had time in all three games so far - so I've subbed him out.



  • 2015 final pool game was almost top team, so the same will happen here I reckon



  • I've given up trying to pick the teams, but I really hope Rieko gets some time, even if just off the bench. I think he still has something to offer in this tourney, I would not be at all surprised to see him picked and deliver in the knockout stages



  • @voodoo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    I've given up trying to pick the teams, but I really hope Rieko gets some time, even if just off the bench. I think he still has something to offer in this tourney, I would not be at all surprised to see him picked and deliver in the knockout stages

    Bridge may have opened the door just a crack after his last performance.



  • @Crucial said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @voodoo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    I've given up trying to pick the teams, but I really hope Rieko gets some time, even if just off the bench. I think he still has something to offer in this tourney, I would not be at all surprised to see him picked and deliver in the knockout stages

    Bridge may have opened the door just a crack after his last performance.

    I don't think Bridge has been nearly as good as people are making out. He's had a pretty good run, especially being involved in games where our forwards bitch slapped the opposition, but he's been far from error free and has butchered a few tries with poor option taking.



  • @No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @Crucial said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @voodoo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    I've given up trying to pick the teams, but I really hope Rieko gets some time, even if just off the bench. I think he still has something to offer in this tourney, I would not be at all surprised to see him picked and deliver in the knockout stages

    Bridge may have opened the door just a crack after his last performance.

    I don't think Bridge has been nearly as good as people are making out. He's had a pretty good run, especially being involved in games where our forwards bitch slapped the opposition, but he's been far from error free and has butchered a few tries with poor option taking.

    Surprisingly he had game high metres run against Namibia but I don’t recall him being anywhere near as assertive as would be expected against them.
    I guess the coaches will have a better idea from training but if Rieko is showing any signs of exploding back into form then it wouldn’t surprise me if Bridge is swapped out.



  • @No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @Crucial said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @voodoo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    I've given up trying to pick the teams, but I really hope Rieko gets some time, even if just off the bench. I think he still has something to offer in this tourney, I would not be at all surprised to see him picked and deliver in the knockout stages

    Bridge may have opened the door just a crack after his last performance.

    I don't think Bridge has been nearly as good as people are making out. He's had a pretty good run, especially being involved in games where our forwards bitch slapped the opposition, but he's been far from error free and has butchered a few tries with poor option taking.

    At the moment his workrate is far superior, he puts himself about on defence as well as attack. Rieko just looks out of sorts, and dare I say it slow right now. He just doesn't seem to be able to beat his man



  • @canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @Crucial said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @voodoo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    I've given up trying to pick the teams, but I really hope Rieko gets some time, even if just off the bench. I think he still has something to offer in this tourney, I would not be at all surprised to see him picked and deliver in the knockout stages

    Bridge may have opened the door just a crack after his last performance.

    I don't think Bridge has been nearly as good as people are making out. He's had a pretty good run, especially being involved in games where our forwards bitch slapped the opposition, but he's been far from error free and has butchered a few tries with poor option taking.

    At the moment his workrate is far superior, he puts himself about on defence as well as attack. Rieko just looks out of sorts, and dare I say it slow right now. He just doesn't seem to be able to beat his man

    It's like he's lost his Rugby Vision on where to be and how to time it. This will be compounded by the pressure of trying to get his position back.

    I agree that all it will take is one good game/half to get his mojo back. Italy will prolly be last chance saloon unless Bridge has an absolute howler.



  • @canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @Crucial said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @voodoo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    I've given up trying to pick the teams, but I really hope Rieko gets some time, even if just off the bench. I think he still has something to offer in this tourney, I would not be at all surprised to see him picked and deliver in the knockout stages

    Bridge may have opened the door just a crack after his last performance.

    I don't think Bridge has been nearly as good as people are making out. He's had a pretty good run, especially being involved in games where our forwards bitch slapped the opposition, but he's been far from error free and has butchered a few tries with poor option taking.

    At the moment his workrate is far superior, he puts himself about on defence as well as attack. Rieko just looks out of sorts, and dare I say it slow right now. He just doesn't seem to be able to beat his man

    Yeah I wasn't advocating starting Rieko ahead of him. Bridge is nailed in at the moment. Just don't think he's been as good as people are making out - the 11 spot is still pretty open for anyone that steps up.



  • @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @Crucial said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @voodoo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    I've given up trying to pick the teams, but I really hope Rieko gets some time, even if just off the bench. I think he still has something to offer in this tourney, I would not be at all surprised to see him picked and deliver in the knockout stages

    Bridge may have opened the door just a crack after his last performance.

    I don't think Bridge has been nearly as good as people are making out. He's had a pretty good run, especially being involved in games where our forwards bitch slapped the opposition, but he's been far from error free and has butchered a few tries with poor option taking.

    At the moment his workrate is far superior, he puts himself about on defence as well as attack. Rieko just looks out of sorts, and dare I say it slow right now. He just doesn't seem to be able to beat his man

    It's like he's lost his Rugby Vision on where to be and how to time it. This will be compounded by the pressure of trying to get his position back.

    I agree that all it will take is one good game/half to get his mojo back. Italy will prolly be last chance saloon unless Bridge has an absolute howler.

    I think they may give Bridge and Ioane a run against Italy. It appears that Reece is a certainty for the QF. Who partners him on the other wing might be up for question.

    I’m a big fan of Ioane but every time he gets the ball it seems he’s trying too hard and that natural instinct we’ve seen just isn’t there.



  • Is this game indoors?

    Things I would never have picked at the beginning of this year.

    1. BFA not in test 15, and perhaps not in test 23.
    2. Rieko Ioane on the outer.
    3. Reece and Bridge being our top two wingers.
    4. Ardie Savea playing at blindside.
    5. Jack Goodhue not being first choice 13.
    6. Scott Barrett and Patty T improving.
    7. Owen Franks not going to the World Cup.


  • @Frank No, it's an open stadium.



  • @Frank said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    Is this game indoors?

    Things I would never have picked at the beginning of this year.
    4. Ardie Savea playing at blindside.

    Ardie Surveyor playing awesome at 6



  • @nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @Frank said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    Is this game indoors?

    Things I would never have picked at the beginning of this year.
    4. Ardie Savea playing at blindside.

    Ardie Surveyor playing awesome at 6

    Ardie Savea the best All Black on the park



  • @Hooroo said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @Frank said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    Is this game indoors?

    Things I would never have picked at the beginning of this year.
    4. Ardie Savea playing at blindside.

    Ardie Surveyor playing awesome at 6

    Ardie Savea the best All Black on the park

    He couldn’t have timed his run of form any better



  • No surprise but there are still big question marks over both Reece and Bridge. Have either of them actually performed in a real tight test yet?
    Bled 2 and the opener against the Boks were “big” games but both ended up being pretty comfortable wins.

    Bridge seems to fit the 2nd full back type winger we have had for the last 8 years or so but still doesn’t seem to be the type of winger to create something out of nothing by busting a tackle or gassing someone on the outside.

    Reece does have that something out of nothing ability but has question marks over defence and taking the high ball.

    I think the selectors have screwed it up a bit to be honest. The way to get Rieko (our best back other than BB for the last 2 years) back up to top form and confidence wasn’t to drop him then play him in midfield from the bench. They also did similar with Ben Smith, dropping him then claiming he had lost his self belief. Which he later said wasn’t true.

    Who knows what level Ioane and Smith would have been at if they had been retained starting for the Bled 2 cake walk.



  • @pukunui yeah, I'd agree that apart from when Bridge has gassed someone or broken a tackle, he definitely doesn't seem to gas anyone or break tackles.

    Like you say, Reece is really uncreative and tends to look meh ball in hand.

    Plus Ioane is super amazing in defence and kick receipt.



  • @Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @pukunui yeah, I'd agree that apart from when Bridge has gassed someone or broken a tackle, he definitely doesn't seem to gas anyone or break tackles.

    Like you say, Reece is really uncreative and tends to look meh ball in hand.

    Plus Ioane is super amazing in defence and kick receipt.

    Looking past your lame attempt at humour I would say Rieko at his peak (which wasn’t long ago) makes Bridge look pedestrian.
    I like Bridge as the 2nd fullback type player though.
    Just not more than Smith.

    I don’t know what you are talking about with Reece. I said he HAS the “create something out of nothing” ability. It is the other aspects of his game im questioning.

    Edit: just realised I didn’t write what i meant about Reece. Will edit.



  • @pukunui said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Italy (Pool 😎:

    @pukunui yeah, I'd agree that apart from when Bridge has gassed someone or broken a tackle, he definitely doesn't seem to gas anyone or break tackles.

    Like you say, Reece is really uncreative and tends to look meh ball in hand.

    Plus Ioane is super amazing in defence and kick receipt.

    Looking past your lame attempt at humour I would say Rieko at his peak (which wasn’t long ago) makes Bridge look pedestrian.
    I like Bridge as the 2nd fullback type player though.
    Just not more than Smith.

    I don’t know what you are talking about with Reece. I said he HAS the “create something out of nothing” ability. It is the other aspects of his game im questioning.

    Edit: just realised I didn’t write what i meant about Reece. Will edit.

    The stuff Bridge does well is what the team actually needs - a guy that works hard to run the right line and angle. He’s on the end of stuff because of his work rate not because it magically falls into his lap. And when he has had to beat a man he has.


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