Cricket: NZ vs England



  • @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    @Hooroo @Bones
    Please explain for those of us not watching?

    Lbw reversed?

    Yes and hot spot didn't show anything. There was a noise after the ball went past the bat but before it hit the pad.



  • @Hooroo I couldn't see it before the ball.

    @booboo Taylor took a punt on a review for lbw thinking it may have gone down leg. Overturned due to seemingly the slightest of snicks. Doull now saying it was his spikes scraping the ground.



  • @booboo even the kiwi commentators are saying that it was out.



  • @Bones said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    @Hooroo I couldn't see it before the ball.

    @booboo Taylor took a punt on a review for lbw thinking it may have gone down leg. Overturned due to seemingly the slightest of snicks. Doull now saying it was his spikes scraping the ground.

    I couldn't see any difference on the bat to before the ball went past it.



  • We'll take that for Nigel "Could Have Come From Anywhere" Llong.



  • @Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    @Bones said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    @Hooroo I couldn't see it before the ball.

    @booboo Taylor took a punt on a review for lbw thinking it may have gone down leg. Overturned due to seemingly the slightest of snicks. Doull now saying it was his spikes scraping the ground.

    I couldn't see any difference on the bat to before the ball went past it.

    I could.



  • The rain won't be too far away.



  • 100 #11 for Latham!



  • 173/3 at tea, happy with that given we were put in.
    Shame Roscoe fell straight after reaching 50



  • @Virgil said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    100 #11 for Latham!

    5 tons in 10 successive innings as well.

    First kiwi to achieve that.



  • Pissing down for the last 10 mins in the northern suburbs.



  • Sunny and 25 degrees here, come back to Bay Oval for the final session of the day 🙂



  • At the risk of the jinx, Latham is a bloody special player. He's almost certain to be our best ever test opener by the end of his career (excluding Dempster) , and is possibly there already.

    But what really stands out to me is that about two or three years ago when the South Africans were here, he was in a real deep trough form wise, and I can remember watching him gradually pulling back, filing off his edges and getting back into form, particularly around reducing the balls he was flashing at outside off stump.

    It was a fantastic display of self awareness and discipline and convinced me that he had what it would take to excel as a test cricketer.



  • @Crucial awesome stuff. Apparently his lowest score once three figures are achieved is 154... England might be in for a long day tomorrow...



  • @Cyclops Yeah - the good thing is that he's putting to bed the idea that Rigor should be in an all time NZ XI.

    And I've got nothing at all against Rigor who had a very good and consistent record - based around an excellent average - but 4 test hundreds and a highest score of 145 is a bit embarrassing for us as a country if it's the best we can muster.

    So, Tommy with 11 hundreds and a top- score of 264* is a lot more credible - and his average has just scraped past MR's as well.



  • @Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    And I've got nothing at all against Rigor who had a very good and consistent record - based around an excellent average - but 4 test hundreds and a highest score of 145 is a bit embarrassing for us as a country if it's the best we can muster.

    SA would still have Barry Richards in their all time XI on 4 tests - but obviously different circumstances. Many would have Bond still just on peak - however is record is two tests on a greentop against India and mauling the Windies and Zimbabwe.

    Going strictly on record if Rig had have performed on the 01/02 or 04/05 Australian tours against 'the best' I think there would still be a good case for him over Latham. On 'feel' I always had a bit more faith that Rig wasn't going to nick out to the new ball, but Latham is close!



  • Latham's innings has been pretty canny so far. Lots of cut shots, just picking off the bowlers, Low risk stuff, but bloody effective. Shame Roscoe fell just after his 50, looked to have a good partnership developing with Latham.
    England's bowlers - Woakes apart - seem to have lost much of their bite.. Still puzzled as to why they went with 5 seamers especially if they knew Stokes was carrying an injury. Say what you like about Stokes, but he is still a cock



  • @Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    @Cyclops Yeah - the good thing is that he's putting to bed the idea that Rigor should be in an all time NZ XI.

    Even Richardson himself said Latham would make the best NZ XI when they showed the top 10 test run scorers, which Latham has now joined. Outside of Crowe, Latham has the best conversion rate from 50s to 100s.



  • @rotated The nice thing about this current generation of Black Caps is that they're providing a lot of credible options for the all time NZ XI - Latham, Kane, Rossco, Watling, Boult.

    Not all of them are necessarily going to get in, but it makes a change from 15 years ago, when we were scratching around basically picking anyone who averaged more than 40 with the bat and a guy like Chats who could (and this is very harsh and unfair) block up an end while Sir Paddles went to work was at least in the conversation.



  • Poor shot (or non shot) selection squandering a strong position this morning



  • @Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    @rotated The nice thing about this current generation of Black Caps is that they're providing a lot of credible options for the all time NZ XI - Latham, Kane, Rossco, Watling, Boult.

    Not all of them are necessarily going to get in, but it makes a change from 15 years ago, when we were scratching around basically picking anyone who averaged more than 40 with the bat and a guy like Chats who could (and this is very harsh and unfair) block up an end while Sir Paddles went to work was at least in the conversation.

    I think you may be underestimating your age there Christopher. Paddles's last test was nearly 30 years ago.



  • @booboo I meant that 15 years ago, we were considering people like Rigor, Fleming, Cairns, Andrew Jones, Chats, John Reid Jr. as potential players for the all time XI (along with Sir Paddles et al).



  • @Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    @booboo I meant that 15 years ago, we were considering people like Rigor, Fleming, Cairns, Andrew Jones, Chats, John Reid Jr. as potential players for the all time XI (along with Sir Paddles et al).

    Aah. Gotcha. I have a habit of remembering stuff as being more recent than they were and getting a surprise when I have to add 10 ... or 15 ... years to how long ago it actually was...



  • Mitch Jr. and BJ doing a good job here. Need to be careful that we don't do what England did last test and move from a position of some strength around 270 to all out for what proved to be a mediocre score.



  • This England team resembles the black caps of old. Good enough to get into strong positions, but not good enough to shut the door so let us off the hook.

    Still lots of work for us to do, as @Chris-B says. And England are yet to bat on this pitch so we might find that whatever we end up with is not enough.



  • 50s for both Mitchell and Watling. 310/5 after 114 overs.



  • @Cyclops said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    Still lots of work for us to do, as @Chris-B says. And England are yet to bat on this pitch so we might find that whatever we end up with is not enough.

    Bat two days, there is no way you should lose from there. Would take a miracle



  • Being one up in the series is such a luxury. We have no qualms about time.



  • Poor decision from Santner. We look like we're trying to get on with it rather than bat the life out of the match.

    And all out for 375.



  • I would have preferred it if we had got past 400 before we started swinging at everything. Especially Santner if he wants to claim allrounder status.

    Will be an interesting little period here. Hopefully we can nab a couple of wickets before stumps. They were looking pretty flat in the field so a couple of wickets could trigger a proper collapse.



  • Two lives for Burns already. Both tough but very catchable.

    Raval is having a miserable summer. Funny how when you're out of form nothing goes quite right.



  • @Cyclops Yeah - pretty much both of them got two hands to each catch, so you'd hope to catch both and expect to catch one.

    Jeet starting to test the armchair selectors'patience - though in recent times the NZ selectors have proved to generally have more patience, but once you gone you stay gone (Marcellus Wallis).



  • I'm of the view that modern cricket cricket effectively started in 1970 for purposes of comparisons. I would not have Rigor in my ATG Kiwi XI when he has to compete with CS Dempster, 1947-1956 Sutcliffe and GMT. He only gets into a post 1970 discussion as well based on stats as I regard Wrighty's body of work inthe late 70s and 80s pretty highly based on the attacks Wrighty had to face. I don't think Rigor faced the two Ws at their peak but I haven't bothered to cheack because I don't rate him enough to spend the time stat-crunching.

    Latham to me is really approaching ATG status based on his consistent body of work, his technical merits and tbh, his willingness to sacrifice self for team. I really hope he succeeds in Aus because that will provide the strongest underpinnings to any claims of ATG given the strength of the current Aus Pace attack.



  • @Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

    @Cyclops Yeah - pretty much both of them got two hands to each catch, so you'd hope to catch both and expect to catch one.

    Jeet starting to test the armchair selectors'patience - though in recent times the NZ selectors have proved to generally have more patience, but once you gone you stay gone (Marcellus Wallis).

    Re Jeet. Have seen the odd Tweet and comment.

    But tell me: do we have anyone better?



  • Cant say I am a fan of Jeet, he does remind me of rigor, capable of batting time but with few shots, and you need to hide both in the field. What he does do well in my opinion (even if not lately) is blunt the new ball, even if just by time and not always by score. Does seem to prefer pace and average versus spin isn’t very respectable.

    However there does not appear to be many options as a replacement, as I asked recently.

    As a NZ supporter almost have to hope he finds some form and doesn’t play risky shots early, and just hide him in the field. I do have hope that he is more suited to Australian pitches.



  • A full days cricket and not one post?

    I guess nobody is all that interested in test cricket any more.



  • No. We're pissed off we couldn't get a wicket.

    Raining now. Expect that'll be it for the day.

    Them a hundy behind 5 down.

    You'd say it's even but the weather looks threatening.

    Can't see Broad's 600 scenario.



  • Didn't watch much today but we seem to be missing Ferguson big time. Southee/Henry probably aren't going to be that effective on flat pitches.



  • Even though we struggled to get wickets for most of the day, apart from that one big partnership, England haven't run away with the game - they're still over 100 runs behind and really only have one proven batsman left and he's already at the crease - I was worried about how quickly they were scoring but it was pleasing to see the NZ attack able to change mode and concentrate on line, length and drying up the runs. On pitches like this, that's just as necessary a skill for test bowling as swing bowling. Wags had some nice moments with his knuckleball and showed he could bowl a good length when it wasn't conducive to his bouncer attack.

    I'm hoping that England don't pile on quick runs while losing wickets as I'd rather we batted again with either a 50-80 run lead or by the time England adeclare/are dismissed NZ just has to bat time without pressing to score an excess of runs.



  • I just saw on the TV news that Henry was guilty of a schoolboy error when a runout of Burns was likely. NZ didn't help themselves although Raval did show he can field - occasionally.

    The forecasted rain should work in NZ's favour as England need a result, not us.


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