[Poll] Next AB Captain



  • @rotated there you go..

    If anyone doesn't like the options blame him



  • Would it be possible to have a separate thread/poll to discuss the next captain?

    10 of the 11 players continuing on with the most caps are below in order. I excluded Moody as we haven't had a prop captain since Whinereay and it is unlikely to see another soon):

    Whitelock
    Aaron Smith
    B.Barrett
    Rettalick
    Coles
    Cane
    TJP
    Taylor
    Savea
    ALB



  • @Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @taniwharugby No - and to be fair Chieka's seat is still warm. Hard to see that they would have run any sort of open recruitment process while he was still in place and without it being common knowledge.

    That's solely because of a lack of leadership. I'd have drafted the call for applications in 2017 and sent it out immediately after the quarter final.



  • @rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Would it be possible to have a separate thread/poll to discuss the next captain?

    10 of the 11 players continuing on with the most caps are below in order. I excluded Moody as we haven't had a prop captain since Whinereay and it is unlikely to see another soon):

    Whitelock
    Aaron Smith
    B.Barrett
    Rettalick
    Coles
    Cane
    TJP
    Taylor
    Savea
    ALB

    Is Whitelock available for the ABs next season? Him or Cane seem the obvious candidates. Taylor has probably edged past Coles as the starter otherwise Coles would be the third option. Cupboard pretty empty after that.



  • @rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Whitelock
    Aaron Smith
    B.Barrett
    Rettalick
    Coles
    Cane
    TJP
    Taylor
    Savea
    ALB

    Dont ask me for reasons, but I reckon the list is only that big...Retallick might have been a consideration but he isnt playing at all next year is he?



  • Brodie has said he is a reluctant captain and is unavailable for the ABs until May 2021.



  • I think Whitelock will be the captain but he won't be around for more than 2 seasons so another captain will be needed before 2023.

    You also need to choose a captain that won't be substituted which rules out hookers and halfbacks.



  • I saw enough of Whitelock leading the Crusaders for me to be happy with him as AB head.
    A bit more old-school type of getting stuck into the troops while leading from the front.

    Has to be a forward



  • Coles as Captain? 🤔

    Has he done it before? TBH he's a bit of a cock so not sure he's your man



  • @NTA said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Coles as Captain? 🤔

    Has he done it before? TBH he's a bit of a cock so not sure he's your man

    We had Fitzy as captain, you have Hooper - being a cock doesn't rule out someone from being captain.



  • @NTA said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Coles as Captain? 🤔

    Has he done it before? TBH he's a bit of a cock so not sure he's your man

    and it sorted his head out for the Hurricanes, that's for sure



  • @Nepia said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Hooper - being a cock doesn't rule out someone from being captain.

    Hooper? WTAF?



  • how many miles does Whitelock have left? he's starting to look cooked.



  • @Hooroo said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @NTA said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Coles as Captain? 🤔

    Has he done it before? TBH he's a bit of a cock so not sure he's your man

    and it sorted his head out for the Hurricanes, that's for sure

    Coles, more often than not, has the ability to lift the team. I would be concerned about his durability. Whitelock is an excellent player, is he a bit passive? A new coach that isn't from the group could mean anything is on the table



  • Jesus. Not many good options when you add in things like being on the field for the full 80, World Cup full cycle, etc

    Has to be one of Cane or Whitelock, but will either be in the team in two years.

    We have had to carry Read for the past few years thanks to injuries, hate to make that mistake again.



  • @Kirwan said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Jesus. Not many good options when you add in things like being on the field for the full 80, World Cup full cycle, etc

    Has to be one of Cane or Whitelock, but will either be in the team in two years.

    We have had to carry Read for the past few years thanks to injuries, hate to make that mistake again.

    Might need to be a transitional captain while another player is groomed. None of the younger players would appear to be ready. And the new coach would be wise to avoid a Taine Randell situation



  • looking beyond say Whitelock or Cane, what players that have been on the radar might emerge as captains beyond the current team?

    Jacobson? Papali'i? If he can ever stop breaking, Gibson?

    Not alot of younger guys coming through in our key positions of loose forward or lock shaping up as poytential leaders?



  • @Kirwan said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Jesus. Not many good options when you add in things like being on the field for the full 80, World Cup full cycle, etc

    Perhaps it is time to reconsider whether a captain can be appointed with an iron clad commitment to having them in the XV four years on? The problem is no one fits the age profile to do that. Coles perhaps? The way substitutions are used it could be a mixed bag.

    Between the efforts on the weekend and his comments after re-signing with the NZRU Whitelock doesn't particularly inspire me as a skipper. Cane I'm neutral on. I weirdly think Barrett may thrive in the role in a weird way.

    It is funny though - Robertson is the rockstar candidate who is going to shake everything up, but is hands down the most likely coach to appoint the obvious pick as captain.



  • The first place to look is the super captains.

    Blues - Tuipulotu/Gibson
    Chiefs - Cane
    Hurricanes - Coles
    Crusaders - Whitelock
    Highlanders - ???

    Whoever it is needs to command their place in the starting XV too. I'd be comfortable to use Whitelock for 2020 and select his likely replacement as a VC. I wouldn't be worried about 2023 just yet.



  • @Bovidae said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    The first place to look is the super captains.

    Blues - Tuipulotu/Gibson
    Chiefs - Cane
    Hurricanes - Coles
    Crusaders - Whitelock
    Highlanders - ???

    Whoever it is needs to command their place in the starting XV too. I'd be comfortable to use Whitelock for 2020 and select his likely replacement as a VC. I wouldn't be worried about 2023 just yet.

    Yeah, start with Whitelock and try out vice captains. next squad annoucement is going to be the most interesting in years.



  • We could go down the co-captains pathway and have Cane and Whitelock. We're already halfway there with the leadership group.



  • @Kirwan said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    next squad annoucement is going to be the most interesting in years

    i bet it's not (easy to say now, 7 months in advance!!)

    Who do you see, who isn't retiring, being realistically left out? Especially by a new coach in a bedding-in process?



  • @Hooroo Why a forward? there have been successful captains in the backline. Tana was a good and successful captain, Farrell for England would be the obvious current example. I agree full back - wing too far away from the action.



  • @Nevorian said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @Hooroo Why a forward? there have been successful captains in the backline. Tana was a good and successful captain, Farrell for England would be the obvious current example. I agree full back - wing too far away from the action.

    Just my personal preference. Don't mind a halfback captain but certainly no further out.

    Has a Captain won the cup with a number greater than 9 on their back? Genuine question as quickly thinking, I can't think of one



  • @Hooroo Ask again on Sunday! 🙂



  • Yep probably the first one this weekend



  • @Hooroo said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @Nevorian said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @Hooroo Why a forward? there have been successful captains in the backline. Tana was a good and successful captain, Farrell for England would be the obvious current example. I agree full back - wing too far away from the action.

    Just my personal preference. Don't mind a halfback captain but certainly no further out.

    Has a Captain won the cup with a number greater than 9 on their back? Genuine question as quickly thinking, I can't think of one

    It's been:
    Halfback
    Halfback
    Flanker
    Lock
    Lock
    Hooker
    Flanker
    Flanker



  • @Cyclops was thinking about who it would have been in 1991, so Farr-Jones?



  • @taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @Cyclops was thinking about who it would have been in 1991, so Farr-Jones?

    Yep. Looking at it, I realised that until Richie lead us to victory in 2011, the Jersey number of the winning captain had consistently decreased.



  • @Cyclops going by that, our next winning captain will wear #5...



  • Carling has been the only captain from the losing side that had a jersey number greater than 9.



  • @taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @Cyclops going by that, our next winning captain will wear #5...

    Good spot.

    Other than halfbacks (Gregan was a losing captain in 2003), the only back to captain a RWC final was Will Carling in 91.

    Snap @Bovidae



  • I thought Jack Goodhue showed a superb attitude in adversity last weekend and is worth considering.

    My vote went for Ardie Savea. World Class player, young enough to be there in 2023, a happy warrior, good bloke. Definitely a potential AB captain

    Sam Cane, the other obvious candidate. Sam Whitelock is an excellent captain for the Crusaders, but his form has been mixed for the ABs over the past couple of years.



  • Please no Whitelock. It's time to start a fresh and with the next breed. Sam's had 3 world cups and just didn't look like he was up there anymore last weekend. Itoje & Lawes both overshadowed him.

    I don't know who it should be honestly. I would have said Sam Cane, but I think he's more leadership group than leader.

    So, I don't know. Not a clue.



  • @MajorRage said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Please no Whitelock. It's time to start a fresh and with the next breed. Sam's had 3 world cups and just didn't look like he was up there anymore last weekend. Itoje & Lawes both overshadowed him.

    I don't know who it should be honestly. I would have said Sam Cane, but I think he's more leadership group than leader.

    So, I don't know. Not a clue.

    I agree with your summary completely and I also have no answer



  • @MajorRage Might be time to compensate for not having a single outstanding candidate with dual captains? Cane and a back.



  • @Tim said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @MajorRage Might be time to compensate for not having a single outstanding candidate with dual captains? Cane and a back.

    Perhaps. I'd go Coles and a back. Goodhue, perhaps.

    As other alluded to, Coles has done a fine job for the Canes, but the modern hooker doesn't play 80 minutes.



  • @rotated said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Would it be possible to have a separate thread/poll to discuss the next captain?

    10 of the 11 players continuing on with the most caps are below in order. I excluded Moody as we haven't had a prop captain since Whinereay and it is unlikely to see another soon):

    Whitelock
    Aaron Smith
    B.Barrett
    Rettalick
    Coles
    Cane
    TJP
    Taylor
    Savea
    ALB

    You missed DMac. 23 caps ...



  • Ok. Picked Cane.

    Will be an interesting year next year huh?



  • @booboo said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Ok. Picked Cane.

    Will be an interesting year next year huh?

    we would need a back up plan if we go with Cane, I think his neck injury may have taken a bigger impact than we may know and could possibly see his career finish earlier than maybe expected - hope to be proved wrong


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