The Haka



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    Whatever happens in this game I would like to see this 2 Haka thing put to bed. I have never been okay with it. It smacks of us picking and choosing who is worthy of the special one and who is going to get the contractually obligated one.

    Will they do Kapo Pango this week because they are hurt from their loss and have departing players. Or will they do Ka Mate because who honestly cares about a 3rd place play off and Wales are losers as well.

    We look like total cocks pulling out our special haka, and then getting spanked.

    Choose one or the other. Or one for home and on for away.

    But this special haka thing just gets on my nerves.



  • @mooshld I like the new Haka but agree we shouldn't use it the way we do - should have just replaced the old one if we wanted a new one.



  • @No-Quarter said in RWC: 3rd/4th game All Blacks vs Wales:

    @mooshld I like the new Haka but agree we shouldn't use it the way we do - should have just replaced the old one if we wanted a new one.

    Yeah, starting to feel the same way. Maybe one for home and one for away?



  • @Kirwan said in RWC: 3rd/4th game All Blacks vs Wales:

    @No-Quarter said in RWC: 3rd/4th game All Blacks vs Wales:

    @mooshld I like the new Haka but agree we shouldn't use it the way we do - should have just replaced the old one if we wanted a new one.

    Yeah, starting to feel the same way. Maybe one for home and one for away?

    Or maybe just refuse to do it away from home? Let them cry about that too.



  • I see the tards at WR are considering fining England for thier response to the Haka...

    What a joke, it is this type of response that makes other teams pissed off at us doing it!

    As to the Haka protocol, how exactly does/did it work? Tribe A went over to Tribe B's Marae and challenged them via a haka, or when Tribe A turn up, do tribe B challenge them with a Haka? ANd would they normally both do one or do they either back down or fight after 1 side does thier Haka?



  • @taniwharugby said in RWC: 3rd/4th game All Blacks vs Wales:

    As to the Haka protocol, how exactly does/did it work?

    Probably best not to think of it in terms of one protocol (this could be said for most Maori things i guess) as different tribeswere very distinct and often had their own way of doing things (e.g. some iwi send women on to the marae first, some send the men). A lot of what we consider standardised Maori stuff these days is often just what was written down first/observed first etc. We also need to consider that culture evolves too.

    I guess WR can have whatever protocols they like, and England seemingly took an informed decision to break that protocol so I assume they'll happily wear a token fine.



  • @Nepia and yet we hear so often how other teams lack of respect to protocol has upset someone...I mean ultimately if it is a prelude to war, who gives a rats how the other lot respond??



  • @taniwharugby said in RWC: 3rd/4th game All Blacks vs Wales:

    @Nepia and yet we hear so often how other teams lack of respect to protocol has upset someone...I mean ultimately if it is a prelude to war, who gives a rats how the other lot respond??

    I think that's usually just from uninformed people or agitators or due to protocols established for rugby. I doubt 95% of Maori care how haka are responded to in rugby. Remembering also that rugby haka are a very small subset of haka.



  • I think they should not be fined, and should be allowed to stand up to the haka if they want. If a fight breaks out, fine that behaviour.

    Only been two incidents I can remember of someone being a dickhead about that.



  • @Nepia said in The Haka:

    I think that's usually just from uninformed people or agitators

    Media and some random on FB or Twitter



  • With regard to World Rugby's haka/cibi/siva tau/sipi tau protocols, they are in place because some teams took the response to extremes. Look up Richard Cockerill/Norm Hewitt, and that Irish guy (Willie Anderson?).

    Fine them, they knew what they were doing.



  • @Kirwan said in The Haka:

    I think they should not be fined, and should be allowed to stand up to the haka if they want. If a fight breaks out, fine that behaviour.

    Only been two incidents I can remember of someone being a dickhead about that.

    I don't think they should be fined either, but if WR have protocols for haka (and Siva Tau, Cibi, Sipu Tau) and England know about them then I think it's fair enough they pay. I assume there are fines for breaking of protocols not relating to haka.



  • @Nepia what should have happened, was if WR have these directives (which seem a bit OTT) then if England had gone to them and said 'we intend doing this' and WR go yep, sweet.

    It did appear England wanted to circle us completely but officials stopped them??



  • @taniwharugby said in The Haka:

    @Nepia what should have happened, was if WR have these directives (which seem a bit OTT) then if England had gone to them and said 'we intend doing this' and WR go yep, sweet.

    It did appear England wanted to circle us completely but officials stopped them??

    looked like they wanted to get closer, not sure about a circle. That would have been interesting



  • @taniwharugby said in The Haka:

    @Nepia what should have happened, was if WR have these directives (which seem a bit OTT) then if England had gone to them and said 'we intend doing this' and WR go yep, sweet.

    It did appear England wanted to circle us completely but officials stopped them??

    I don't know? There are protocols, there are fines for breaking the protocols, you break the protocols you pay the fine - I don't know what else there is to it other than most of us think there shouldn't be the protocols in place. Also, it's not just the opposition, if the ABs have advanced above where they should then they too would cop a fine.



  • @booboo said in The Haka:

    With regard to World Rugby's haka/cibi/siva tau/sipi tau protocols, they are in place because some teams took the response to extremes. Look up Richard Cockerill/Norm Hewitt, and that Irish guy (Willie Anderson?).

    I immediately thought of Willie Anderson in 1989. A pity Read didn't follow Buck's lead and advance as well. The haka response was symptomatic of the game itself. 😞



  • @Nepia ha that bolded bit wasnt a question, it was part of a statement for that whole sentence about what should have happened....



  • Wasn't the introduction of fines due to some French players spitting at our guys during an under 21 final back in about 2001?



  • @Bovidae said in The Haka:

    @booboo said in The Haka:

    With regard to World Rugby's haka/cibi/siva tau/sipi tau protocols, they are in place because some teams took the response to extremes. Look up Richard Cockerill/Norm Hewitt, and that Irish guy (Willie Anderson?).

    I immediately thought of Willie Anderson in 1989. A pity Read didn't follow Buck's lead and advance as well. The haka response was symptomatic of the game itself. 😞

    Yup, they should have advanced a bit - needed Mike Brewer on the edge to move forward too (he was way ahead of the team in 89 IIRC).



  • @Kirwan said in The Haka:

    I think they should not be fined, and should be allowed to stand up to the haka if they want. If a fight breaks out, fine that behaviour.

    Only been two incidents I can remember of someone being a dickhead about that.

    I think I remember reading that after the Richard Cockerill/ Norm Hewitt face off world rugby actually made the decision to split the teams.. hence not going over half way. Could be wrong, but I believe thats where it came from.


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