Cricket: NZ vs Aus



  • @Duluth said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    That might save Santner and puts CDG under threat

    We don't have Boult so can add a spinner in his place anyway. CDG could stay.

    Leaves the pace "attack" being very medium pace (at best) though.



  • @Snowy said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    More fuel to the DRS fire.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/118494968/australia-v-new-zealand-tim-paine-has-doubts-over-drs-accuracy-after-messy-day-at-mcg

    Tim Paine has has also been added to my dickheads file after I initially liked him.

    Well and truly in the dickhead file



  • @Duluth I think that even if we play two spinners it should be Astle and Somerville.

    Santner's simply been too ineffectual and the Aussies have had a really good look at him.



  • @Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    I think that even if we play two spinners it should be Astle and Somerville.

    I don’t disagree. I just think the selectors are friendlier to Santner than the fans



  • @Duluth Yeah - without doubt.

    I like Santner, as well - but mainly in the shorter forms. He just doesn't have enough weaponry to be a test spinner - unless maybe on really spin-friendly pitches.

    Which, as you suggest, the selectors may think Sydney is....

    Really, they erred by not giving Astle the spinners' spot in Melbourne - we'd have learned a lot more - and Santner might have been more in my frame to play in Sydney.



  • Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.

    That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.



  • @TeWaio said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.

    That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.

    Would love to have seen more chances for Guppy in the middle order. Was never equipped to be a test opener.



  • @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @TeWaio said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.

    That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.

    Would love to have seen more chances for Guppy in the middle order. Was never equipped to be a test opener.

    100%, I think we've said this before on here but he doesn't have an openers game at all - plays with hard hands and likes to go at the wider deliveries. I see a lot of parallels between him and Astle, who was very effective for us at 5/6.



  • @TeWaio said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    our wicket keeper batting 6.

    Understand what you are saying but our wicket keeper is also one of our best bats i.e I'm not sure that we have someone to put ahead of him and still get full value from BJ.



  • @Snowy Three more tests and we'll have Devon Conway - and Will Young should be back playing by then as well! πŸ™‚



  • @Chris-B Will Young definitely a prospect. I don't know much about Conway?

    BJ going down the order would still seem a waste given his tenacity.



  • @Snowy South African serving his residency. Made a triple century earlier this year, which has him heading the batting averages in the Plunket Shield.

    He's being talked up and has the stats to back that - as long as he doesn't suffer Graeme Hick syndrome.



  • @Chris-B Right. I do know about him, had forgotten the name and discounted his as he hasn't been eligible. Will pay more attention if he is!



  • @Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Snowy South African serving his residency. Made a triple century earlier this year, which has him heading the batting averages in the Plunket Shield.

    He's being talked up and has the stats to back that - as long as he doesn't suffer Graeme Hick syndrome.

    On his stats. Got it to keep in mind that South Africa have Franchise cricket as well as Provincial cricket that are both given FC status.

    So his stats look better than they really are. Are mostly made in a Saf version of almost, but better, Hawke Cup. (However, this was same of Wagner who barely broke into Franchise cricket in Saf)

    Can see his stats by team here:

    https://archive.nzc.nz/Players/389/389099/f_Batting_by_Team.html

    *Edit. Although that is a bit out of date on his Wellington record. Doesn't include this season. So bz record even better.

    He's had a good 2 seasons really, in NZ. In Saf he averaged 20s for his 2 franchise teams.

    I haven't actually watched him yet though, apart from televised t20 games. I have no opinion on his actual promise .

    I have however watched and do rate plenty of current next tier batsmen in nz. I might take an interest in Conway once he's available. Have plenty of depth and promise in our traditional weakness. Our bowling depth not so much.



  • @Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?



  • @Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Snowy Three more tests and we'll have Devon Conway - and Will Young should be back playing by then as well! πŸ™‚

    There are also two tests in Bangladesh later this year which I don't think he will eligible for yet.



  • Apparently Williamson and Nicholls missed training due to illness, so hopefully they don't miss the test.



  • @Rapido

    Here's some highlights of his triple century.

    Not surprisingly, he looks good in these. πŸ™‚



  • @LABCAT I skimmed through what I could find of our future schedule and didn't see any tests after India - but, you could well be right.

    In any case, Conway becomes eligible for NZ in September...

    ...and hopefully we can scrape past the Bangles without him! πŸ™‚



  • @Crazy-Horse said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?

    Any of Young, Seiffert, Phillips- I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they had to play a test next week. Would rate the chances of each to be 30+ ave career batsmen. Phillips with least certainty due to his less orthodox technique. Rate Ravindra to be better than all above but wouldn't be ready yet.



  • @Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Crazy-Horse said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?

    Any of Young, Seiffert, Phillips- I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they had to play a test next week. Would rate the chances of each to be 30+ ave career batsmen. Phillips with least certainty due to his less orthodox technique. Rate Ravindra to be better than all above but wouldn't be ready yet.

    Add those above to the other under age of 30 batsmen ; Williamson, Latham, Nicholls, Blundell. Plus young Finn Allen and the new saffa Conway. I wouldn't be concerned about the next 5 years of test batting.

    Reminds me of 5 or 6 years ago in the bowling department where we had mid and young 20s bowlers all coming through or reaching their peak: Southee, Boult, Wagner, Bracewell , McClenaghan, Henry, Milne, Bennett. Plus reasons to be optimistic if you followed domestics with talent like Ferguson , Wheeler and Duffy etc. In retrospect, I guess you could say Bracewell was few years into decline already by then.



  • @Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Crazy-Horse said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?

    Any of Young, Seiffert, Phillips- I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they had to play a test next week. Would rate the chances of each to be 30+ ave career batsmen. Phillips with least certainty due to his less orthodox technique. Rate Ravindra to be better than all above but wouldn't be ready yet.

    Add those above to the other under age of 30 batsmen ; Williamson, Latham, Nicholls, Blundell. Plus young Finn Allen and the new saffa Conway. I wouldn't be concerned about the next 5 years of test batting.

    Reminds me of 5 or 6 years ago in the bowling department where we had mid and young 20s bowlers all coming through or reaching their peak: Southee, Boult, Wagner, Bracewell , McClenaghan, Henry, Milne, Bennett. Plus reasons to be optimistic if you followed domestics with talent like Ferguson , Wheeler and Duffy etc. In retrospect, I guess you could say Bracewell was few years into decline already by then.

    What about bowlers on the horizon?



  • @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Crazy-Horse said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?

    Any of Young, Seiffert, Phillips- I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they had to play a test next week. Would rate the chances of each to be 30+ ave career batsmen. Phillips with least certainty due to his less orthodox technique. Rate Ravindra to be better than all above but wouldn't be ready yet.

    Add those above to the other under age of 30 batsmen ; Williamson, Latham, Nicholls, Blundell. Plus young Finn Allen and the new saffa Conway. I wouldn't be concerned about the next 5 years of test batting.

    Reminds me of 5 or 6 years ago in the bowling department where we had mid and young 20s bowlers all coming through or reaching their peak: Southee, Boult, Wagner, Bracewell , McClenaghan, Henry, Milne, Bennett. Plus reasons to be optimistic if you followed domestics with talent like Ferguson , Wheeler and Duffy etc. In retrospect, I guess you could say Bracewell was few years into decline already by then.

    What about bowlers on the horizon?

    Not many.

    Jamieson could work. Only uncapped player I'd have some confidence in if he had to play a test next week. But we'll have to find out if he has something to go with his height.

    Ben Sears is most promising bowler out there

    Of others - Duffy hasn't progressed. Collapses in his action. Nathan Smith's bowling also isnt where I'd want it to be after 4 year of senior domestics, but he is still promising , especially as his batting is quality.

    That's it. Just Sears and Jamieson of players with the talent on any sort of 'curve' I'd be happy with.



  • @Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Crazy-Horse said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @Rapido, who are the next tier bats you rate?

    Any of Young, Seiffert, Phillips- I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they had to play a test next week. Would rate the chances of each to be 30+ ave career batsmen. Phillips with least certainty due to his less orthodox technique. Rate Ravindra to be better than all above but wouldn't be ready yet.

    Add those above to the other under age of 30 batsmen ; Williamson, Latham, Nicholls, Blundell. Plus young Finn Allen and the new saffa Conway. I wouldn't be concerned about the next 5 years of test batting.

    Reminds me of 5 or 6 years ago in the bowling department where we had mid and young 20s bowlers all coming through or reaching their peak: Southee, Boult, Wagner, Bracewell , McClenaghan, Henry, Milne, Bennett. Plus reasons to be optimistic if you followed domestics with talent like Ferguson , Wheeler and Duffy etc. In retrospect, I guess you could say Bracewell was few years into decline already by then.

    What about bowlers on the horizon?

    Not many.

    Jamieson could work. Only uncapped player I'd have some confidence in if he had to play a test next week. But we'll have to find out if he has something to go with his height.

    Ben Sears is most promising bowler out there

    Of others - Duffy hasn't progressed. Collapses in his action. Nathan Smith's bowling also isnt where I'd want it to be after 4 year of senior domestics, but he is still promising , especially as his batting is quality.

    That's it. Just Sears and Jamieson of players with the talent on any sort of 'curve' I'd be happy with.

    Ludick is a prospect.



  • Flu like symptoms sounds like a good excuse to me....





  • Given that this pitch should be spin friendly, then surely the only prescription is to win the toss and bat!

    And we'd better win the toss, Kane!

    And, that's not where your job ends... πŸ™‚



  • Mitchell Santner has been ruled out with illness and is at the hotel. Kane Williamson and Henry Nicholls have both missed training with illness in the lead up. They have had a net this morning but neither look well. A call will be made at the toss
    

    Phillips is going to debut. Sounds like 2 spinners with Astle and Sommerville.



  • God this been a horrible tour. Almost comical.

    About the only outcome I'm after is some entertainment relief for those in NSW affected by the fires.

    Here's hoping for something good amidst the ashes ( pun sort of intended)



  • 9.40am Andrew McGlashan: "Santner has been ruled out, expecting Astle to play...looks like two spinners with Somerville" Gary Stead is now addressing the group as is Ross Taylor. Glenn Phillips has just been given his first Black Cap from Ross Taylor. He will debut.

    Tom Latham is going to captain the team. He has just been handed his black blazer from Taylor! Williamson is out.

    On cricinfo.......



  • Ummm...

    9.50am There is a report from the ground that New Zealand will make five changes. Todd Astle, Will Somerville, Glenn Phillips and Matt Henry come in for sure. Jeet Raval may also play. Looks like Williamson, Nicholls, Santner, Southee and Boult are out for sure.



  • @Donsteppa said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    Ummm...

    9.50am There is a report from the ground that New Zealand will make five changes. Todd Astle, Will Somerville, Glenn Phillips and Matt Henry come in for sure. Jeet Raval may also play. Looks like Williamson, Nicholls, Santner, Southee and Boult are out for sure.

    pffft hahahahahaha holy fuck. So we get destroyed in the first two, and in the 3rd we roll out NZ A. Fuck-King Beautiful.



  • trying to find a market for Aus to win inside 3 days



  • @mariner4life said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    trying to find a market for Aus to win inside 3 days

    The ozzies are just trying to push the 4 day test idea



  • @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    @mariner4life said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    trying to find a market for Aus to win inside 3 days

    The ozzies are just trying to push the 4 day test idea

    from teh look of it, i think it's us trying to shorten the format!



  • Teams - Australia: David Warner, Joe Burns, Marnus Labuschagne, Steve Smith, Matthew Wade, Travis Head, Tim Paine (c/wk), James Pattinson, Pat Cummins, Mitch Starc, Nathan Lyon

    New Zealand: Tom Latham (c), Tom Blundell, Jeet Raval, Ross Taylor, Glenn Phillips, BJ Watling (wk), Colin de Grandhomme, Todd Astle, Will Somerville, Matt Henry, Neil Wagner

    LOL sob.



  • @Mokey said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    LOL sob.

    alt text



  • Oh no - how ever are we going to replace the production that Williamson, Nicholls and Santner have provided this series.....



  • wait, does this mean The Park Cricketer is going to take the new nut? In a test?

    Fuuuuck



  • @KiwiMurph said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:

    Oh no - how ever are we going to replace the production that Williamson, Nicholls and Santner have provided this series.....

    that's actually a fair point. when we get pumped to the tune of 300 runs again, at least we have excuses this time.


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