Royal drama
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Big shout out to Harry & Megs for taking the journalistic thunder away from the politicians!
I don't give a shit about the Royals generally, but this move by them does seem a bit rough. Certainly understand their thoughts, especially given that Harry is Diana's offspring, but to do this announcement with even speaking to the rest of the whanau seems a bit ... shit.
Have the seen the race card thrown about in a couple of situations (one bloke had a go at Piers on twitter playing this card). The idiocy of the modern world know no bounds.
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@MajorRage you (and we all) know this isn't Hazza's call huh?
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@MajorRage yeah I posted on the stuff thread as wasn't sure where to put it - but their struggle to "become financially independent" is real I'm sure. However will Markle earn money? Fuckwits.
Funny to see the family coming out and being quite publicly "disappointed"....no problems with Andrew though eh.
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@booboo said in British Politics:
@MajorRage you (and we all) know this isn't Hazza's call huh?
Absolutely. Although he's ginger, and they are fiery fuckers who don't like being told what to do at the best of times.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@MajorRage yeah I posted on the stuff thread as wasn't sure where to put it - but their struggle to "become financially independent" is real I'm sure. However will Markle earn money? Fuckwits.
Funny to see the family coming out and being quite publicly "disappointed"....no problems with Andrew though eh.
Yeah especially after we paid to upgrade their Frogmore pad.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@booboo said in British Politics:
@MajorRage you (and we all) know this isn't Hazza's call huh?
Absolutely. Although he's ginger, and they are fiery fuckers who don't like being told what to do at the best of times.
I've seen it happen to my ginger Arab (untold amounts of anger) best mate. Found a good woman and lost the fire.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@booboo said in British Politics:
@MajorRage you (and we all) know this isn't Hazza's call huh?
Absolutely. Although he's ginger, and they are fiery fuckers who don't like being told what to do at the best of times.
I've seen it happen to my ginger Arab (untold amounts of anger) best mate. Found a good woman and lost the fire.
That's the question really ...
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I was interested about the money aspect and looked it up, all reports say the couple have a combined worth of about 30-odd million, so the 'working towards financial independence' is a bit shit. I also hate that they sprung this on the Queen, especially after getting the house done up for a cool few mill. But they reckon they'll keep the titles and 600k a year security etc. Hmmmmmmm.
It is possible to think both that the British media can be complete assholes, and that this was a dick move by Harry and Meghan, I reckon.
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Best lefty take I've seen on this so far is they are leaving the UK because of Brexit.
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Did I see s omeone call it Megxit?
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@booboo said in British Politics:
Did I see s omeone call it Megxit?
My colleague called it Don't Really Give a Xit.
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@Mokey said in British Politics:
But they reckon they'll keep the titles and 600k a year security etc. Hmmmmmmm.
Don't have a problem with titles as they cost nowt nor with security costs. I might think Blair was a duplicitous grand-stander only out to enhance his personal wealth but still think it's right he gets police protection - as does Farage & his family.
Actually have a lot of time for Harry and respect his decision - he seems to have put his young family first which is admirable - but that's it. You leave the job, you don't get paid.
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Harry has a history of rebelling against being a royal. I reckon that was part of the attraction to Meghan.
Meghan is copping it but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Harry is the one that made this happen. She's endured loads of racism and other abuse, and given they have a kid now, I wouldn't be surprised if he said fuck being a royal anymore let's move out of the UK.
I also don't buy the line that they didn't consult the Queen or royal family. Their statement says they'd been in talks for months. If those talks don't go anywhere then its hardly surprising that they just cut their losses and made the decision to go. The only part that would have been a surprise to the Queen is that they actually went ahead and did it.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
Harry has a history of rebelling against being a royal. I reckon that was part of the attraction to Meghan.
I certainly don't buy that this is a 100% Meghan driven move, which a lot of outlets are stating either.
Meghan is copping it but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Harry is the one that made this happen. She's endured loads of racism and other abuse, and given they have a kid now, I wouldn't be surprised if he said fuck being a royal anymore let's move out of the UK.
She's received plenty of criticism for her actions, which is part of the job. A lot of people claiming this is racism. But social media aside (and that's global) I don't think I've seen her exposed to it at all.
I also don't buy the line that they didn't consult the Queen or royal family. Their statement says they'd been in talks for months. If those talks don't go anywhere then its hardly surprising that they just cut their losses and made the decision to go. The only part that would have been a surprise to the Queen is that they actually went ahead and did it.
I completely buy it. They said internal talks, which quite clearly was between the two of them. Can't see why the palace would lie.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
She's endured loads of racism
I must have missed that. Was this before or after she started dating Harry?
There were the usual articles in the left-wing press arguing that as she was the first and only "black princess" it proved the UK was racist (they also argued that William marrying a white girl proved the UK racist...). And there were, no doubt, loads of racist comments on twitter about her - just as there are on say, Boris Johnson.
Sure, the appalling UK press went after her and she found that difficult and that brought out the usual, lazy, "it's only coz she's black" comments from rent-a-mouths like Stormzy & Lenny Henry
But the Press also went after Diana, Charles, Anne, Camilla, you name it, in a far more vicious way - and they weren't black.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
But the Press also went after Diana, Charles, Anne, Camilla, you name it, in a far more vicious way - and they weren't black.
Yeah, the only "mainstream" criticism of the two I've seen has been in regards to seemingly wanting the trappings and benefits of royalty without the duties/ongoing profile/sacrifices.
No doubt making this decision after the wedding, titles, renovations, publicity/profile for Meghan will put that to rest.
It certainly has to fall in the 'there isn't enough time in the day' basket, but saying that there was anything but fringe racist is ridiculous.
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At some point, you'd like to think the racism rent-a-crowd will realise that continuing labelling criticism of any sort at people of colour, substantially diminishes the ability to tackle real racism.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
At some point, you'd like to think the racism rent-a-crowd will realise that continuing labelling criticism of any sort at people of colour, substantially diminishes the ability to tackle real racism.
Yep. It helps the likes of Tommy Robinson to prosper by claiming PoC are getting a free ride and real problems of racism can be swept under the carpet, or dismissed as scaremongering from "the race relations industry"
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Couldn't resist....
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Chapeau!
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Don’t want to be (senior) royals and to pay their own way.
Immediately launch Sussexroyal.com.
i.e don’t want the full role, just to trade off the benefits.
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The only time I’ve ever really watched anything outside of that god awful show suits with her in it was an interview about poverty in Africa she managed to turn into a sob story about her . She cane across as a self absorbed cow , he’s a moron for not being able to see through it.
She’s quite hot though , so there’s that .
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Stunning and brave decision by these impressively self aware young battlers.
Thoughts and prayers that they'll be alright on their courageous journey
( do we have a wanking emoji?)
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@Siam said in British Politics:
Stunning and brave decision by these impressively self aware young battlers.
Thoughts and prayers that they'll be alright on their courageous journey
( do we have a wanking emoji?)
Nope, a vomiting one will suffice
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
Harry has a history of rebelling against being a royal. I reckon that was part of the attraction to Meghan.
I certainly don't buy that this is a 100% Meghan driven move, which a lot of outlets are stating either.
Meghan is copping it but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Harry is the one that made this happen. She's endured loads of racism and other abuse, and given they have a kid now, I wouldn't be surprised if he said fuck being a royal anymore let's move out of the UK.
She's received plenty of criticism for her actions, which is part of the job. A lot of people claiming this is racism. But social media aside (and that's global) I don't think I've seen her exposed to it at all.
I also don't buy the line that they didn't consult the Queen or royal family. Their statement says they'd been in talks for months. If those talks don't go anywhere then its hardly surprising that they just cut their losses and made the decision to go. The only part that would have been a surprise to the Queen is that they actually went ahead and did it.
I completely buy it. They said internal talks, which quite clearly was between the two of them. Can't see why the palace would lie.
She's been exposed to plenty of racism, whether it's on social media or it's the Katie Hopkins "she doesn't look like a royal the way Kate does" type comments and articles. It's also true that the majority of criticism she's copped has had nothing to do with racism. Both things can be true.
I totally agree with you about the crowd that cries racism at everything and how ridiculous they are, but just because they're wrong with their "The UK is racist" comments doesn't mean there aren't a significant number of racists in the UK (as there are in EVERY country). I feel like we're getting to the point now where people are so fed up with the 'RACISM IS EVERYWHERE' crowd that they won't even acknowledge it is still an issue lest they give an inch to the far left.
I also really don't think internal talks would just be Harry and Meghan talking about it with each other for months. I'd say what blindsided the Royal family is releasing a statement without their consent. That's what they'd be pissed about, I very much doubt the idea of them stepping back has just come out of nowhere.
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One thing that has made me laugh - the number of Americans, utterly unironically, saying yeah, our Megs is finally leaving that shitty racist country, the UK.
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@MajorRage I'll just add, after re-reading your comments, that I agree that the reason they're leaving is nothing to do with racism or the UK being a uniquely racist place like some of those left wing nutters are claiming.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
Harry has a history of rebelling against being a royal. I reckon that was part of the attraction to Meghan.
I certainly don't buy that this is a 100% Meghan driven move, which a lot of outlets are stating either.
Meghan is copping it but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Harry is the one that made this happen. She's endured loads of racism and other abuse, and given they have a kid now, I wouldn't be surprised if he said fuck being a royal anymore let's move out of the UK.
She's received plenty of criticism for her actions, which is part of the job. A lot of people claiming this is racism. But social media aside (and that's global) I don't think I've seen her exposed to it at all.
I also don't buy the line that they didn't consult the Queen or royal family. Their statement says they'd been in talks for months. If those talks don't go anywhere then its hardly surprising that they just cut their losses and made the decision to go. The only part that would have been a surprise to the Queen is that they actually went ahead and did it.
I completely buy it. They said internal talks, which quite clearly was between the two of them. Can't see why the palace would lie.
She's been exposed to plenty of racism, whether it's on social media or it's the Katie Hopkins "she doesn't look like a royal the way Kate does" type comments and articles. It's also true that the majority of criticism she's copped has had nothing to do with racism. Both things can be true.
I totally agree with you about the crowd that cries racism at everything and how ridiculous they are, but just because they're wrong with their "The UK is racist" comments doesn't mean there aren't a significant number of racists in the UK (as there are in EVERY country). I feel like we're getting to the point now where people are so fed up with the 'RACISM IS EVERYWHERE' crowd that they won't even acknowledge it is still an issue lest they give an inch to the far left.
I also really don't think internal talks would just be Harry and Meghan talking about it with each other for months. I'd say what blindsided the Royal family is releasing a statement without their consent. That's what they'd be pissed about, I very much doubt the idea of them stepping back has just come out of nowhere.
RACIST! has now become the joke insult for kids in the UK. You don't like my haircut? RACIST! You won't lend me some money? RACIST! It's actually really funny.
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@Catogrande Gen Z will save us all. Mocking idiocy into submission.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
I've seen it happen to my ginger Arab (untold amounts of anger) best mate. Found a good woman and lost the fire.
That's what happens to a Ranga that finally finds someone who'll shag them.
Testosterone - gone.I'm pleased that he's happy though, angry Arabs can be scary.
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@No-Quarter although I don’t disagree overall the not looking like a royal like Kate has nothing to do with race in my view.
I totally agree with it. She doesn’t. Kate destroys her I’m pretty much so every way.
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It has been an open secret for many years that Harry doesn't enjoy being a Royal much. He hates the press intrusion and finds the ceremonial side boring. He used to get on with his older brother well, but they have fallen out since Meghan came on the scene. She seems to make him happy so good luck to them. They have probably planned this move for a while.
Not sure his open defiance of the Queen is wise though. She is one of the most skilled politicians of the last century or so.
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There isn't enough money in the world that would allow me to deal with the British Tabloid press, and that goes double for being a royal.
If i had a cool 30 million in the bank, and a smoking hot wife, I'd piss off somewhere as well.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
She's been exposed to plenty of racism, whether it's on social media or it's the Katie Hopkins "she doesn't look like a royal the way Kate does" type comments and articles.
That's pretty low level racism. She's one of the most privileged people on earth.
If they maintain a deliberate public persona, claims that they're sick of the intrusion in their lives should be met with tired scepticism. Creating a website five minutes after telling grandma you're out of the family business doesn't lend a lot of credibility to that line of thinking.
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Brendan O’Neill:
A woke Wallis Simpson
Why is Meghan ditching her duchess role? Because she wants to be the global Queen of Woke.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/01/09/a-woke-wallis-simpson/
“ To someone like Meghan, who sprang from celebville, who sees herself as the embodiment of right-on goodness, and who loves nothing more than advertising her eco-virtue and performing her PC credentials, life in the British monarchy was never going to be a good fit.”
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@Salacious-Crumb that's a good point, her and Harry have been getting more political of late so breaking free of the Royals allows them to do more of that.
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@antipodean said in British Politics:
@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
She's been exposed to plenty of racism, whether it's on social media or it's the Katie Hopkins "she doesn't look like a royal the way Kate does" type comments and articles.
That's pretty low level racism. She's one of the most privileged people on earth.
If they maintain a deliberate public persona, claims that they're sick of the intrusion in their lives should be met with tired scepticism. Creating a website five minutes after telling grandma you're out of the family business doesn't lend a lot of credibility to that line of thinking.
It's low level but it would grate. Agree on the website though, I hadn't seen that. Sounding more and more like she wants to go back to being a celebrity, with Harry thinking it's a great chance to get out of his Royal duties.
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I have no doubt there were sectors of the British media who wanted some WASP blonde Barbie to be Harry's wife (look at his exes) and judged Meghan accordingly. However it's hard to cry racism when so many of the stories were about Meghan being a pissy asshole to staff. Plus all that weird shit with her family.
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Well ... Piers didn't miss:
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@Mokey said in British Politics:
I have no doubt there were sectors of the British media who wanted some WASP blonde Barbie to be Harry's wife (look at his exes) and judged Meghan accordingly. However it's hard to cry racism when so many of the stories were about Meghan being a pissy asshole to staff. Plus all that weird shit with her family.
We've seen this process all before
Be an awful person or beahve appallingly
press draw attention to it
social media amplifies the outrage
refuse to won your bullshit behaviour and learn from it
claim you are a victim of [delete as applicable] the right/alt right/ racists / misogynists/ transphobes/islamophobes
people avoid criticising you to stop being lumped in with whatever phobe you've attached to criticism of you
Bask in your victim statusSo I'm guessing the palace won't be interested in paying off the tabloids to stop them looking into her alleged past as a yacht girl anymore?
