Coronavirus - Overall
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@antipodean And Donald Trump thinks it's fake news and a construct by the Democrats meant to discredit him....
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My impression on different platforms:
Facebook - 'Just a flu bro, nothing to see here'
Youtube - 'This is signifcant, prepare but don't panic it will all be ok'
Telegram - 'It's happening!!! Imminent world collapse'
Aussie TV Media (via glancing at TV screens at the gym) - Coronavirus pandemic breaking news! Deadly virus claims first Aussie victim! Human to human transmission!Something for everyone I suppose.
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
My impression on different platforms:
Facebook - 'Just a flu bro, nothing to see here'
Youtube - 'This is signifcant, prepare but don't panic it will all be ok'
Telegram - 'It's happening!!! Imminent world collapse'
Aussie TV Media (via glancing at TV screens at the gym) - Coronavirus pandemic breaking news! Deadly virus claims first Aussie victim! Human to human transmission!Something for everyone I suppose.
MSM definitely topping the list in terms of generating hysteria
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@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
My impression on different platforms:
Facebook - 'Just a flu bro, nothing to see here'
Youtube - 'This is signifcant, prepare but don't panic it will all be ok'
Telegram - 'It's happening!!! Imminent world collapse'
Aussie TV Media (via glancing at TV screens at the gym) - Coronavirus pandemic breaking news! Deadly virus claims first Aussie victim! Human to human transmission!Something for everyone I suppose.
MSM definitely topping the list in terms of generating hysteria
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@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
My impression on different platforms:
Facebook - 'Just a flu bro, nothing to see here'
Youtube - 'This is signifcant, prepare but don't panic it will all be ok'
Telegram - 'It's happening!!! Imminent world collapse'
Aussie TV Media (via glancing at TV screens at the gym) - Coronavirus pandemic breaking news! Deadly virus claims first Aussie victim! Human to human transmission!Something for everyone I suppose.
MSM definitely topping the list in terms of generating hysteria
Well, a conference i was due to hop over to Sydney for next week has been cancelled/postponed. People are taking it seriously (or at least risk avoidance seriously).
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
My impression on different platforms:
Facebook - 'Just a flu bro, nothing to see here'
Youtube - 'This is signifcant, prepare but don't panic it will all be ok'
Telegram - 'It's happening!!! Imminent world collapse'
Aussie TV Media (via glancing at TV screens at the gym) - Coronavirus pandemic breaking news! Deadly virus claims first Aussie victim! Human to human transmission!Something for everyone I suppose.
MSM definitely topping the list in terms of generating hysteria
Well, a conference i was due to hop over to Sydney for next week has been cancelled/postponed. People are taking it seriously (or at least risk avoidance seriously).
Yup. And so they should. But coverage has been over the top a lot of tines
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@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@antipodean And Donald Trump thinks it's fake news and a construct by the Democrats meant to discredit him....
@canefan No he doesnt. Don't make shit up or even worse mindlessly believe the bullshit you are fed by the Democrat biased media.
FFS
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@antipodean And Donald Trump thinks it's fake news and a construct by the Democrats meant to discredit him....
@canefan No he doesnt. Don't make shit up or even worse mindlessly believe the bullshit you are fed by the Democrat biased media.
FFS
The words came out of his mouth so for once I was inclined to believe he said them
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
I don't understand why Australia is waiting until Sunday to shut down Iranian travel
"Why" could be to curry favour with GetUp or the ABC or the Greens or the AFL; to craft a useful concession in a relationship not necessarily to do with Iran; to sacrifice common sense on the altar of political correctness - it could be anything.
Blind Freddie can see it has nothing to do with practical community health protection.
Already there will have been visits to Canberra by lobbyists submitting, successfully, that their client really ought to be excluded from the excluded class.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@antipodean And Donald Trump thinks it's fake news and a construct by the Democrats meant to discredit him....
@canefan No he doesnt. Don't make shit up or even worse mindlessly believe the bullshit you are fed by the Democrat biased media.
FFS
The words came out of his mouth so for once I was inclined to believe he said them
No they did not.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@antipodean And Donald Trump thinks it's fake news and a construct by the Democrats meant to discredit him....
@canefan No he doesnt. Don't make shit up or even worse mindlessly believe the bullshit you are fed by the Democrat biased media.
FFS
The words came out of his mouth so for once I was inclined to believe he said them
No they did not.
Show us the actual clip then, with full context.I saw it. Do your own research
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Bloomberg and some other Dems claim the response to the virus has been inadequate. Trump said that complaint is the latest Dem 'hoax'
Some disingenuous reports claimed he was talking about the virus itself
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@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@antipodean And Donald Trump thinks it's fake news and a construct by the Democrats meant to discredit him....
@canefan No he doesnt. Don't make shit up or even worse mindlessly believe the bullshit you are fed by the Democrat biased media.
FFS
The words came out of his mouth so for once I was inclined to believe he said them
No they did not.
Show us the actual clip then, with full context.I saw it. Do your own research
You are full of it.
Snope that hates Trump
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/And another
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/02/fact-check-did-trump-call-coronavirus-a-hoax/
The Democrats have been lying about Trumps response for week, pivoting from calling him a racist for taking actions to stop flights from China, to not doing enough... in between they criticised the diversity of the group they put together to address it.
Then they claimed that CDC had funding cut, which a blatant lie, they have had funding increases.They Democrats and its media buddies are very skillful at these lies
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That's quite the loop hole
Federal government figures show 1477 students arrived in Australia on Friday and Saturday using this loophole.
Australian universities have copped criticism for offering cash “grants” to Chinese students to help them get around the coronavirus travel ban
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
That's quite the loop hole
Federal government figures show 1477 students arrived in Australia on Friday and Saturday using this loophole.
Australian universities have copped criticism for offering cash “grants” to Chinese students to help them get around the coronavirus travel ban
It's a tricky one for both countries. International students have become a huge export revenue earner in NZ and Australia... but a cynic might wonder if some in the sector sometimes appear to worry more about their revenue stream than about student welfare & outcomes...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119985064/coronavirus-university-of-auckland-says-govt-travel-bans-a-political-decision
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119942873/victoria-university-says-minister-was-missing-in-action-during-crisis -
Those poor universities!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119985064/coronavirus-university-of-auckland-says-govt-travel-bans-a-political-decisionThe World Health Organisation said travel bans during health emergencies are ineffective in most situations.
...uh huh..yet they refer to the reduced figures coming from China, which if we were to be super charitable and believe them then at the very least it would be because of extreme travel restrictions within China
This does however align with WHO's obsession with social stigma rather than the disease itself..
WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said...“Stigma, to be honest, is more dangerous than the virus itself. Let’s really underline that. Stigma is the most dangerous enemy,” he told a news briefing in Geneva.
I think I am starting to share @Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD cynicism over these 'expert' recommendations.
@Donsteppa snap!
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-news.html
China requires citizens to use a smartphone app that dictates if they should be quarantined.
As China encourages people to return to work despite the coronavirus outbreak, it has begun a bold mass experiment in using data to regulate citizens’ lives — by requiring them to use software on their smartphones that dictates whether they should be quarantined or allowed into subways, malls and other public spaces.
But a New York Times analysis of the software’s code found that the system does more than decide in real time whether someone poses a contagion risk. It also appears to share information with the police, setting a template for new forms of automated social control that could persist long after the epidemic subsides.
The Alipay Health Code, as China’s official news media has called the system, was first introduced in the eastern city of Hangzhou — a project by the local government with the help of Ant Financial, a sister company of the e-commerce giant Alibaba.
Neither the company nor Chinese officials have explained in detail how the system classifies people. That has caused fear and bewilderment among those who are ordered to isolate themselves and have no idea why.
Such surveillance creep would have historical precedent, said Maya Wang, a China researcher for Human Rights Watch. China has a record of using major events, including the 2008 Beijing Olympics and the 2010 World Expo in Shanghai, to introduce new monitoring tools that outlast their original purpose, Ms. Wang said.
“The coronavirus outbreak is proving to be one of those landmarks in the history of the spread of mass surveillance in China,” she said.
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I see the claim:
"The Government's travel ban on people from coronavirus-hit mainland China is a political decision that isn't justified by public health considerations"I assume the complainant expects the ban to be lifted because it is unfair or inequitable or inappropriate or racist or something. Any excuse will do to gain the advantage he seeks - the consequences are not his concern.
It is almost certain that, as happens in politics, there are numerous approaches to parliamentarians to arrange exceptions to the ban, which they do readily - the consequences are not their concern. These measures are porous for sure.
This afternoon I heard from family in my Epping-Eastwood area (in Sydney) that our little local Ryde Hospital has an infected doctor and a precautionary stand down of staff with whom he associated - the virus strike is apolitical, random, unpredictable and ever present evidently.
How does the Ryde shift meister handle loss of a half dozen or more medical staff for a fortnight today? How does he handle it if the same thing happens tomorrow or the next day?
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No one sane in Asia - including realists in the mainland - trust WHO. Look after yourself people.
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This from a South African forum I read -
This morning at the post office, while I was in line, two people with masks entered."
TOTAL PANIC!
Then they said: "This is a robbery"...and we all calmed down...
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@reddog said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
No one sane in Asia - including realists in the mainland - trust WHO. Look after yourself people.
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2nd confirmed case.
Woman who came back from Italy last week. Had a return flight to Palmie on Monday.
two kids at school on the Shore (that'll set the panic merchants off).
Husband showing signs of disease.
Effectively she picked up the disease in Italy and was in contact with people here for a week before being diagnosed - so a bit more of a risk than the first case
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
2nd confirmed case.
Woman who came back from Italy last week. Had a return flight to Palmie on Monday.
two kids at school on the Shore (that'll set the panic merchants off).
Husband showing signs of disease.
Effectively she picked up the disease in Italy and was in contact with people here for a week before being diagnosed - so a bit more of a risk than the first case
This weekend I’m turning my triton into a Mad Max car .
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@jegga so it is you on those bloody VTNZ ads!
hmm now are you the rough bugger driving or the guy strapped to the back
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@jegga so it is you on those bloody VTNZ ads!
hmm now are you the rough bugger driving or the guy strapped to the back
No one drives my Ute but me .
Also no one else wants to.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
2nd confirmed case.
Woman who came back from Italy last week. Had a return flight to Palmie on Monday.
two kids at school on the Shore (that'll set the panic merchants off).
Husband showing signs of disease.
Effectively she picked up the disease in Italy and was in contact with people here for a week before being diagnosed - so a bit more of a risk than the first case
"*The woman also took two domestic flights - Air NZ flight 5103 Auckland to Palmerston North on March 2, and Air NZ 8114 Palmerston North to Auckland on the same day.
The Herald understands the woman travelled to Palmerston North for work but returned to Auckland after becoming too ill."*
How nice of her to be too ill for work that she had to go home - on a fucking plane with 50 other people that could now have the disease and be spreading it around Auckland.
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Let’s use this an excuse to permanently cage off and quarantine Palmerston North.
After a suitable amount of time has passed we can nuke it from orbit . It’s the only way to be sure .
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@jegga said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Let’s use this an excuse to permanently cage off and quarantine Palmerston North.
After a suitable amount of time has passed we can nuke it from orbit . It’s the only way to be sure .
Hang on, are you the mysterious woman @jegga ?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@jegga said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Let’s use this an excuse to permanently cage off and quarantine Palmerston North.
After a suitable amount of time has passed we can nuke it from orbit . It’s the only way to be sure .
Hang on, are you the mysterious woman @jegga ?
I only identified as her for the flights
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in case anyone is planning on travelling:
Travel Insurance
For new travel insurance policies purchased after 2 March 2020
If you purchase travel insurance after this date, you will not be covered for cancellation/delay or loss of deposits associated with coronavirus.
If you have an Annual Business Travel policy, these restrictions will apply to any travel bookings from 3 March 2020.
For travel insurance policies purchased before 2 March 2020
Most insurers placed restrictions on travel insurance cover for Hubei Province, China from 23 January 2020, extending to mainland China from 2 February. If you have incurred travel related loss or additional expenses because of the coronavirus outbreak on or around those dates, please get in touch so we can provide advice specific to your situation.
In either case, it's also important to note, there is no cover for ‘disinclination to travel’ (i.e. you postpone travel due to concerns about coming into contact with potentially infected travellers), irrespective of when the travel and travel insurance was arranged.
If you are currently planning international travel and you're concerned about cancellation or disruption, your travel agent or airline may be able to make alternative arrangements. Just be aware that with insurers now declaring coronavirus a 'known event', there could be direct implications for your travel insurance, as above.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
in case anyone is planning on travelling:
Travel Insurance
For new travel insurance policies purchased after 2 March 2020
If you purchase travel insurance after this date, you will not be covered for cancellation/delay or loss of deposits associated with coronavirus.
If you have an Annual Business Travel policy, these restrictions will apply to any travel bookings from 3 March 2020.
For travel insurance policies purchased before 2 March 2020
Most insurers placed restrictions on travel insurance cover for Hubei Province, China from 23 January 2020, extending to mainland China from 2 February. If you have incurred travel related loss or additional expenses because of the coronavirus outbreak on or around those dates, please get in touch so we can provide advice specific to your situation.
In either case, it's also important to note, there is no cover for ‘disinclination to travel’ (i.e. you postpone travel due to concerns about coming into contact with potentially infected travellers), irrespective of when the travel and travel insurance was arranged.
If you are currently planning international travel and you're concerned about cancellation or disruption, your travel agent or airline may be able to make alternative arrangements. Just be aware that with insurers now declaring coronavirus a 'known event', there could be direct implications for your travel insurance, as above.
My brother is due to leave on his 4 week European honeymoon next week, travel and accommodation already paid.
Unfortunately there is a clause in his travel insurance stating that it doesn't cover claims in regards to pandemics.
I'd be hating to make that decision. As it all stands now I'd go..but unless the growth rate of new infections outside of China suddenly curbs it might not be a good option in a couple weeks time.
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@Rembrandt he should go an break his leg so he cant travel...
seriously though, that is odd (although guess it depends on the policy - manyo f those that come with your credit card are shite) but typically travel covers dont have the same blanket infectious disease exclusions as others...is that over the whole policy or only certain sections, for example:
Covered under SECTION 1: Medical and Dental Expense
Covered under SECTION 2: Additional Expenses
Not Covered under SECTION 3: Amendment and Cancellation Cost
Not Covered under SECTION 8: Travel Delay
Not Covered under SECTION 10: Missed Connection -
Corona's buzz score - which tracks whether American adults aware of the brand have heard positive or negative things about it - has tumbled to 51 from a high of 75 at the beginning of the year, YouGov said.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Rembrandt he should go an break his leg so he cant travel...
seriously though, that is odd (although guess it depends on the policy - manyo f those that come with your credit card are shite) but typically travel covers dont have the same blanket infectious disease exclusions as others...is that over the whole policy or only certain sections, for example:
Covered under SECTION 1: Medical and Dental Expense
Covered under SECTION 2: Additional Expenses
Not Covered under SECTION 3: Amendment and Cancellation Cost
Not Covered under SECTION 8: Travel Delay
Not Covered under SECTION 10: Missed ConnectionI thought it odd too. His travel agent whom they booked it through has the opposite view and says everything is fine. I'm going to get him to send me a copy to have a read.
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This. Seems the timing of when you bought the policy is most important, and they're making things up on the run.
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Front page of The Australian:
Man with COVID-19 visits supermarket
A man with coronavirus visited a Tasmanian supermarket to gather supplies after being asked to self-isolate.
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@Siam timing of when you bought the policy and paid for tickets always has been a key part of how a policy might respond (or not)
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@taniwharugby thanks for that info mate.
Have you got a travel insurance recommendation for one off trips - no obligations of course -
@Siam I guess an annual policy is a good idea, especially for those who travel regularly, but then there are those who buy tickets at the last minute, which means if you have an annual travel policy, but booked tickets today, as it is a known event, they may not provide cover at all.
I will need to look at the advice I got sent yesterday, if that is blanket world wide or still region specific, that said, I doubt there will be too many last minute deals at the moment anyway with airlines stopping flights...probably get some good deals to holiday locally though.
Booking (and paying) for travel now will carry a risk, because if it does become a global pandemic and borders are shut everywhere....may come down to the Airline refunding after they cancel flights, but hotels and the like may be less accomodating (no pun intended)
