Chappell-Hadlee Series



  • Can't wait for this series. A chance to take some revenge in our best format. Anyone know how many in the touring squad?

    My best guess is 13, and for mine they'd probably be:

    Guppy
    Nicholls
    Kane
    Rosco
    Latham
    Phillips
    Neesham
    CDG
    Santner
    Sodhi
    Southee
    Jamieson
    Boult



  • @shark Not far away.

    I think probably Blundell for Phillips and Ferguson for either Sodhi or Jamieson - probably Ish.

    Edit: And, on reflection, I think they'd take at least 14 - and all of Ferguson, Sodhi and Jamieson.

    Bit of a question as to whether they take Timmy or Matt Henry. Matt supplanted Tim at the CWC.

    So some combination of all those names, but I'm doubtful on Phillips.



  • They usually take 14 don’t they?

    Add Ferg, and you’re pretty close.



  • I left Ferguson out because I hadn't heard he was fit. Is he fully fit?

    I like Phillips over Blundell in the shorter formats. He's a whippet in the field, can be devastating with the bat, bats up and down the order, gives you someone in the top five who can add a couple of overs and of course he covers the 'keeping duties (as does Blundell of course). In the back of my mind though is that Blundell has made every post a winner in test cricket, hit an unofficial ODI ton last year and probably doesn't fear the Aussies. Phillips' test debut 50 on the other hand was very fortuitous in that he had several let-offs, but it was at the SCG where two of the games will be played.



  • @Chris-B Sodhi has to go. Two games at the SCG.



  • @shark said in Chapple-Hadlee Series:

    I left Ferguson out because I hadn't heard he was fit. Is he fully fit?

    He is currently playing for Auckland vs ND in the Plunket Shield.



  • @Bovidae sure, but all the talk of the last few weeks was that he was being eased back in. So is he fully fit?



  • @shark I don't know but he bowled 37 overs across both innings. He is best suited to white ball cricket as the bowling load is less.



  • @shark said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    Can't wait for this series. A chance to take some revenge in our best format. Anyone know how many in the touring squad?

    My best guess is 13, and for mine they'd probably be:

    Guppy
    Nicholls
    Kane
    Rosco
    Latham
    Phillips
    Neesham
    CDG
    Santner
    Sodhi
    Southee
    Jamieson
    Boult

    Decent looking team that.



  • Ok so they've named 15.

    New Zealand ODI squad: Kane Williamson (c), Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Colin de Grandhomme, Lockie Ferguson, Martin Guptill, Matt Henry, Kyle Jamieson, Tom Latham, Jimmy Neesham, Henry Nicholls, Mitchell Santner, Ish Sodhi, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor.

    Henry and Ferguson in addition to my 13, and Blundell for Phillips, which isn't any kind of surprise or major disappointment for me.



  • That’s some serious depth in the fast bowling.



  • @shark said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    I left Ferguson out because I hadn't heard he was fit. Is he fully fit?

    I like Phillips over Blundell in the shorter formats. He's a whippet in the field, can be devastating with the bat, bats up and down the order, gives you someone in the top five who can add a couple of overs and of course he covers the 'keeping duties (as does Blundell of course). In the back of my mind though is that Blundell has made every post a winner in test cricket, hit an unofficial ODI ton last year and probably doesn't fear the Aussies. Phillips' test debut 50 on the other hand was very fortuitous in that he had several let-offs, but it was at the SCG where two of the games will be played.

    It's all ifs and buts, but Blundell was one of our few batsmen with recent runs on the board going into the CWC. I can recall suggesting they should play him. The way he's performed since he got his chance, I reckon they would now.

    It's one of the drawbacks of our conservative selection policy (which overall I strongly support) - we'll usually be late in getting new guns (like him and Jamieson) into the team.

    I have Phillips sort of grouped with Munro and Seifert - a decent option for T20s where you have to go fast from ball 1, but I'm less convinced in longer formats.



  • @Chris-B said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    @shark said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    I left Ferguson out because I hadn't heard he was fit. Is he fully fit?

    I like Phillips over Blundell in the shorter formats. He's a whippet in the field, can be devastating with the bat, bats up and down the order, gives you someone in the top five who can add a couple of overs and of course he covers the 'keeping duties (as does Blundell of course). In the back of my mind though is that Blundell has made every post a winner in test cricket, hit an unofficial ODI ton last year and probably doesn't fear the Aussies. Phillips' test debut 50 on the other hand was very fortuitous in that he had several let-offs, but it was at the SCG where two of the games will be played.

    It's all ifs and buts, but Blundell was one of our few batsmen with recent runs on the board going into the CWC. I can recall suggesting they should play him. The way he's performed since he got his chance, I reckon they would now.

    It's one of the drawbacks of our conservative selection policy (which overall I strongly support) - we'll usually be late in getting new guns (like him and Jamieson) into the team.

    I have Phillips sort of grouped with Munro and Seifert - a decent option for T20s where you have to go fast from ball 1, but I'm less convinced in longer formats.

    Kylo has jumped Ferg and Henry IMHO. He is the unicorn, unique point of difference compared to the others. And he's shown an ability to bat that rivals most of the middle order



  • I hope Stead and Larsen pick a T20 team that is suited to that format, not just rehashing the ODI squad. That means not selecting the likes of Southee.



  • @Bovidae said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    I hope Stead and Larsen pick a T20 team that is suited to that format, not just rehashing the ODI squad. That means not selecting the likes of Southee.

    No more super overs for Timmy!!!



  • @canefan Possibly Matt Henry, but I think Lockie has his own point of difference and was statistically our best bowler at CWC. Something like:

    Guppy, Nicholls, Kane, Rossco, Latham, Neesham, CdG, Jamieson, Santner, Ferguson, Boult.



  • @Chris-B said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    @canefan Possibly Matt Henry, but I think Lockie has his own point of difference and was statistically our best bowler at CWC. Something like:

    Guppy, Nicholls, Kane, Rossco, Latham, Neesham, CdG, Jamieson, Santner, Ferguson, Boult.

    Ferg has a stronger claim, I'd definitely consider him over Timmy



  • @canefan said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    Kylo has jumped Ferg and Henry IMHO. He is the unicorn, unique point of difference compared to the others. And he's shown an ability to bat that rivals most of the middle order

    Bowling on Aussie pitches will be a new experience for Jamieson so I wouldn't be expecting miracles just yet. Ferguson has to play. I bet Timmy does too.



  • @Bovidae said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    @canefan said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    Kylo has jumped Ferg and Henry IMHO. He is the unicorn, unique point of difference compared to the others. And he's shown an ability to bat that rivals most of the middle order

    Bowling on Aussie pitches will be a new experience for Jamieson so I wouldn't be expecting miracles just yet. Ferguson has to play. I bet Timmy does too.

    He's earned a shot. I hope they give him a go. His bounce will be prodigious on their pitches



  • @Bovidae Tim certainly has good form - won't surprise me if he plays instead of Jamieson and also wouldn't surprise me if Henry played instead of Jamieson.

    I reckon they've at least got the 15 spot on.



  • Boult, Santner, Neesham and Ferg are locked in. That means Southee, Henry, Jamieson and Sodhi battle it out for the last spot. If its a quick they probably have to be comfortable opening the bowling which might be a mark against Jamieson given his relative inexperience. Henry looked to have gone past Southee in the world cup, but Southee was good in the ODIs vs India. I don't think he has it overseas anymore though, especially not on faster aussie tracks where he can be a bit pedestrian. If they're confident that Jamieson can be effective opening the bowling vs Finch, Warner et al then I think he'll get named for the first ODI, otherwise I think Henry will get the start.



  • Blundell has a really very mediocre List A record. Surprised he's in the NZ ODI team.

    Not sure why he has such a modest record. Maybe hes never mastered constructing a 50 over innings? Or his square hitting areas and backfoot bias is too easily contained?



  • @Bovidae said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    @canefan said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    Kylo has jumped Ferg and Henry IMHO. He is the unicorn, unique point of difference compared to the others. And he's shown an ability to bat that rivals most of the middle order

    Bowling on Aussie pitches will be a new experience for Jamieson so I wouldn't be expecting miracles just yet. Ferguson has to play. I bet Timmy does too.

    Yeah, I've seen too many quicks get pummeled in oz. The old WACA demonstrated this time and again. Also those Aussie batsmen deal with bounce so much easier than sideways movement. Won't be expecting miracles from KJ over there either.



  • I wouldn't be playing Southee over there, unless injury strikes. He was out of the ODI XI in the WC for good reason and proved beyond doubt he's incapable of taking early wickets in Australia just a couple of months ago.



  • I've got our three quicks as Boult, Henry and Ferg. They were the reason we did so well at the CWC, I'd be loathe to cast any of them aside now. Jamieson is really battling Ferg for the 1st change spot - Ferg is a proven performer with a great record, I'd prefer he starts the first game.





  • @No-Quarter said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    I've got our three quicks as Boult, Henry and Ferg. They were the reason we did so well at the CWC, I'd be loathe to cast any of them aside now. Jamieson is really battling Ferg for the 1st change spot - Ferg is a proven performer with a great record, I'd prefer he starts the first game.

    What's Henry's record in Australia? I'm normally a fan, but watching him bowl over there over the holidays put me off him, in those conditions.



  • My XI for game #1

    Guptill
    Nicholls
    Williamson
    Taylor
    Latham
    Neesham
    deGrandhomme
    Santner
    Sodhi
    Boult
    Ferguson

    And in all seriousness I'd probably open the bowling with CDG and Boult in this team. My biggest worry is whether the SCG is what it used to be in terms of assisting the slow bowlers. But I think the selectors think it is, or why take two spinners for three games with two at the same venue, given Santner is an absolute lock-down in the shorter formats. So if you're picking two spinners but want three specialist pace bowlers you either need to ditch a batsman (Latham goes, everyone moves up a slot and another seamer comes in) or ditch Neesh or CDG.



  • @shark I'm not really expecting them to play two spinners.

    I think in a squad of 15 they can afford a spare spinner (as well as a spare seamer, allrounder and keeper/batsman - e.g. Sodhi, Southee, Jamieson and Blundell).

    Fair bit of flexibility in the squad and a bit of a stretch to say Jamieson could play as an allrounder - but, if Neesham or CdG was injured he'd doubtless be considered (assuming he's not immediately in as a seamer). (My example has Matt Henry replacing Sodhi in your team).



  • @Chris-B You make it sound like a lengthy tour. It's three games in a week, 3.5 hours away (add a couple of hours to Hobart I guess). Makes sense to have a balance in your 'spares', for sure, but one batsman covering five and five specialist steamers covering three spots is sensible. Sodhi providing cover for Santner though? Doesn't ring as true for mine.



  • So, SA have just wrapped up a 3-0 drubbing of Australia in their ODI series in SA. Now the Aussies have a long flight home and face a few questions re their squad make up before playing us on Friday. The whitewash could be the worst thing for us if it means they come out firing, or they may be a little tired and in some disarray. Australia haven't really settled on a top XI in ODI cricket and it's been ages since we've seen any consistency in their selections. Across their game they seem to have all the ingredients but can't seem to bake them together into a single delicious cake.

    Warner, Finch and Smith all struggled in this series (Warner especially seems to now exhibit a clear weakness to right arm around the wicket pace bowling if it can be moved away) but Laubuschagne hit a maiden ODI ton last night on pretty much his home deck, in front of 50 family members and with his name actually being pronounced correctly for once by the SA commentators. He dined out on our bowling in the tests so this could be ominous.

    But their form in general, the make up of their middle order and bowling attack is all a little up in the air. Hopefully the collective form slump from their top three continues.



  • @shark said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    So, SA have just wrapped up a 3-0 drubbing of Australia in their ODI series in SA. Now the Aussies have a long flight home and face a few questions re their squad make up before playing us on Friday. The whitewash could be the worst thing for us if it means they come out firing, or they may be a little tired and in some disarray. Australia haven't really settled on a top XI in ODI cricket and it's been ages since we've seen any consistency in their selections. Across their game they seem to have all the ingredients but can't seem to bake them together into a single delicious cake.

    Warner, Finch and Smith all struggled in this series (Warner especially seems to now exhibit a clear weakness to right arm around the wicket pace bowling if it can be moved away) but Laubuschagne hit a maiden ODI ton last night on pretty much his home deck, in front of 50 family members and with his name actually being pronounced correctly for once by the SA commentators. He dined out on our bowling in the tests so this could be ominous.

    But their form in general, the make up of their middle order and bowling attack is all a little up in the air. Hopefully the collective form slump from their top three continues.

    Back on home track, Warner will crush it. It’s what he does



  • @shark said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    @Chris-B You make it sound like a lengthy tour. It's three games in a week, 3.5 hours away (add a couple of hours to Hobart I guess). Makes sense to have a balance in your 'spares', for sure, but one batsman covering five and five specialist steamers covering three spots is sensible. Sodhi providing cover for Santner though? Doesn't ring as true for mine.

    I guess we'll see - but, I'm not convinced Sydney offers enough to the spinners to warrant us playing two of them.

    Well, maybe if we're undone by spin in the first game.



  • Also, two physical observations of a player in each squad. South Africa's Klasen looks like a sightly buff Martin Guptill, looks like Guppy in the face under a cap and even moves a little Iike him in the field, while D'Arcy Short has fashioned his look into a kiddy fiddling Hitler, minus the moustache.



  • @Chris-B said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    @shark said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    @Chris-B You make it sound like a lengthy tour. It's three games in a week, 3.5 hours away (add a couple of hours to Hobart I guess). Makes sense to have a balance in your 'spares', for sure, but one batsman covering five and five specialist steamers covering three spots is sensible. Sodhi providing cover for Santner though? Doesn't ring as true for mine.

    I guess we'll see - but, I'm not convinced Sydney offers enough to the spinners to warrant us playing two of them.

    Well, maybe if we're undone by spin in the first game.

    I think it's likely enough that we want to have both spinners on hand just in case we want to go that way on game day. I don't think we take two spinners unless we think there's a chance we'll want to play both of them.



  • @Cyclops said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    @Chris-B said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    @shark said in Chappell-Hadlee Series:

    @Chris-B You make it sound like a lengthy tour. It's three games in a week, 3.5 hours away (add a couple of hours to Hobart I guess). Makes sense to have a balance in your 'spares', for sure, but one batsman covering five and five specialist steamers covering three spots is sensible. Sodhi providing cover for Santner though? Doesn't ring as true for mine.

    I guess we'll see - but, I'm not convinced Sydney offers enough to the spinners to warrant us playing two of them.

    Well, maybe if we're undone by spin in the first game.

    I think it's likely enough that we want to have both spinners on hand just in case we want to go that way on game day. I don't think we take two spinners unless we think there's a chance we'll want to play both of them.

    That's how it looks to me, too.





  • @Hooroo have Chris Harris and Roger Twose been named in the team?



  • Lochie Ferguson told me about the teal when the poor fluffybunny got stuck next to me on a plane last year. The shirts themselves are actually quite a flattering fit. If I didn't think wearing cricket supporters gear was so tragic, I'd buy one.



  • Sumo saying there will be no fans allowed for game 1 today.


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