England v Wales



  • @Bones said in England v Wales:

    @mooshld right, but the difference being at club level - you're generally not close to or friends with the guy giving you a tickle. Not saying Marler and AWJ are friends, but they are likely to know each other very well.

    Fuck, bags not knowing you "very well" if that's an option with your acquaintances.

    An uninvited grab of genitals is acceptably rebutted with a punch in the head anywhere on the planet. Same with spitting.

    Don't want to get punched? Don't grope or fondle.

    Even people who know each other well wtf?



  • @Siam said in England v Wales:

    @Bones said in England v Wales:

    @mooshld right, but the difference being at club level - you're generally not close to or friends with the guy giving you a tickle. Not saying Marler and AWJ are friends, but they are likely to know each other very well.

    Fuck, bags not knowing you "very well" if that's an option with your acquaintances.

    An uninvited grab of genitals is acceptably rebutted with a punch in the head anywhere on the planet. Same with spitting.

    Don't want to get punched? Don't grope or fondle.

    Even people who know each other well wtf?

    That's cool that works for me. I'm inclined to think you're definitely in the minority if you've never had tomfoolery around dick flicks, etc.



  • @MiketheSnow said in England v Wales:

    @Tim said in England v Wales:

    Lawes cited for the following. Could be saved by missing (?) contact with his shoulder?

    https://i.imgur.com/tvoQ7PH.mp4

    Fuck me

    Owen Farrell, Tom Curry, Ken Owens, Hadleigh Parks and Tuiglagi can count themselves very fucking lucky.

    FIFY 😁



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:

    @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    It's just a weird thing to have associated with your sport.

    Definitely. Mrs Meldrew's niece & boyfriend called it "gross".

    It just ain't a good look and can't be laughed off as "part of the game".

    Surprised you'd care what Mrs Meldrew's boyfriend thought



  • @booboo He lives in Cornwall it is likely that niece and boyfriend are one person.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:

    @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    It's just a weird thing to have associated with your sport.

    ... It just ain't a good look and can't be laughed off as "part of the game".

    I'm in agreement here, as someone else so ably put it, it's a dick move. But I don't really understand the frothing of the mouth by so many people about what amounted to a flick on the todger. It wasn't even a grab. No danger to life or limb. Just a stupid and invasive move. Some of the tackles in that game and of course the Frenchman's punch were far worse in the potential outcomes.

    Sure cite the idiot and likely sanction him but ffs tone down the hysteria (not directly aimed at you, but I reserve the right to change my mind on that).



  • Yeah, this is kind of surprising. I fully acknowledge that I'm completely outdated here (and not really bothered) but from Alun WJ stating that WR need to look into it, to Thomas feeling the need to apologise for his actions, I find this whole thing very sad indeed.

    Rather a cheeky testicle grab than a sly elbow / knee to the head in a ruck. Although I'm sure little Johnny's Mummy doesn't want little Johnny playing in a game like this, I'd expect little Johnny's Daddy to pipe up and say "boys will be boys".

    If I was Marler, I'd double down and say how disappointed I was that AWJ didn't play along with the gag ....



  • @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    @booboo He lives in Cornwall it is likely that niece and boyfriend are one person.

    Leun a konines blewek yw an gwiasva ma......



  • @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    But I don't really understand the frothing of the mouth by so many people about what amounted to a flick on the todger

    Yeah, a sense of perspective is needed, but the outrage is understandable - particularly in this uber-sensitive day and age.



  • @Victor-Meldrew Something about a full rabbit that pales? At least that's what I'm hoping. It's probably a threat to send Joe Marler round to touch me up.



  • @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    Sure cite the idiot and likely sanction him but ffs tone down the hysteria

    Yep, great call.

    Question for you - do you think that's a red card on the field if it gets seen?

    I don't remember ever seeing anything like that (except Hopoate in league for a while). The reaction to Hopoate was feral as well



  • @Bones said in England v Wales:

    @Siam said in England v Wales:

    @Bones said in England v Wales:

    @mooshld right, but the difference being at club level - you're generally not close to or friends with the guy giving you a tickle. Not saying Marler and AWJ are friends, but they are likely to know each other very well.

    Fuck, bags not knowing you "very well" if that's an option with your acquaintances.

    An uninvited grab of genitals is acceptably rebutted with a punch in the head anywhere on the planet. Same with spitting.

    Don't want to get punched? Don't grope or fondle.

    Even people who know each other well wtf?

    That's cool that works for me. I'm inclined to think you're definitely in the minority if you've never had tomfoolery around dick flicks, etc.

    At Twickenham in front of an audience in the millions? Defo in the minority.

    Very little equivalence in tomfoolery in a room vs a dumb act in a televised sport looking to attract people.

    "Everyone does it" can't really apply to this situation



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:

    @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    @booboo He lives in Cornwall it is likely that niece and boyfriend are one person.

    Leun a konines blewek yw an gwiasva ma......

    Sadly Google translate doesn't do Kernewek



  • This incident doesn't need comparisons to foul play causing injury. It's like spitting or abusing a ref ( both which also cause no injury - as do 90% of red cards).
    Injury or personal pain are not relevant here.
    Neither is this a zero sum situation- it's not a choice between a thug act and this - surely we can continue to stamp out all acts of unsportsmanlike behavior.

    Give him 2 to 6 weeks and make it clear that this category of behaviour is not acceptable.

    Not a lot different to spitting and name calling.

    A difference of opinion and perspective is now outrage?



  • @nzzp said in England v Wales:

    @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    Sure cite the idiot and likely sanction him but ffs tone down the hysteria

    ...Question for you - do you think that's a red card on the field if it gets seen? ...

    I really don’t know. On the one hand it’s sort of innocuous but it’s also bang out of order. The thing is that this is not a scourge that is blighting rugby and “steps must be taken to stop this from continuing “. It’s a one off act of stupidity and by all means punish him for that but don’t pretend it’s a big issue.



  • @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    @nzzp said in England v Wales:

    @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    Sure cite the idiot and likely sanction him but ffs tone down the hysteria

    ...Question for you - do you think that's a red card on the field if it gets seen? ...

    I really don’t know. On the one hand it’s sort of innocuous but it’s also bang out of order. The thing is that this is not a scourge that is blighting rugby and “steps must be taken to stop this from continuing “. It’s a one off act of stupidity and by all means punish him for that but don’t pretend it’s a big issue.

    I don’t think that anyone here is saying this is a scourge that is blighting rugby. Save your argument on that front for some uneducated non fan down the pub.
    Should a message be sent though? Absolutely.
    Not a big issue, just one that should be condemned straight away to send a clear message that this isn’t part of the game.
    I do wonder that if there wasn’t an outcry whether this would have been sidestepped by not meeting the red card threshold though.



  • Unbiased opinion.



  • @Bones said in England v Wales:

    Unbiased opinion.

    I would suggest it was a deliberate attempt to get a reaction



  • AWJ reaction afterwards suggests it wasn't a cheeky bit of fun between friends. Seems he wants the book thrown at him.



  • Just a quick straw poll, to see if I am the exception. Anyone here have a close friend who tries to touch their penis?

    Maybe its an english thing? I have never had a friend who liked to do that to people.



  • @mooshld said in England v Wales:

    Just a quick straw poll, to see if I am the exception. Anyone here have a close friend who tries to touch their penis?

    Maybe its an english thing? I have never had a friend who liked to do that to people.

    I have, but as she's quite good looking I generally let it slide.



  • @Machpants said in England v Wales:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:

    @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    @booboo He lives in Cornwall it is likely that niece and boyfriend are one person.

    Leun a konines blewek yw an gwiasva ma......

    Sadly Google translate doesn't do Kernewek

    Literal translation....

    "full of rabbits furry is this webpage...." 😎



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:

    @Machpants said in England v Wales:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:

    @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    @booboo He lives in Cornwall it is likely that niece and boyfriend are one person.

    Leun a konines blewek yw an gwiasva ma......

    Sadly Google translate doesn't do Kernewek

    Literal translation....

    "full of rabbits furry is this webpage...." 😎

    I'm not sure the translation makes any more sense 😉



  • @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:

    @Machpants said in England v Wales:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:

    @Catogrande said in England v Wales:

    @booboo He lives in Cornwall it is likely that niece and boyfriend are one person.

    Leun a konines blewek yw an gwiasva ma......

    Sadly Google translate doesn't do Kernewek

    Literal translation....

    "full of rabbits furry is this webpage...." 😎

    I'm not sure the translation makes any more sense 😉

    Bit like being reffed by Romain Poitre then...



  • @mooshld said in England v Wales:

    Just a quick straw poll, to see if I am the exception. Anyone here have a close friend who tries to touch their penis?

    Maybe its an english thing? I have never had a friend who liked to do that to people.

    Sir JK on the Breakdown said it happened to him all the time, and he did it to his close mates.



  • @nzzp said in England v Wales:

    @mooshld said in England v Wales:

    Just a quick straw poll, to see if I am the exception. Anyone here have a close friend who tries to touch their penis?

    Maybe its an english thing? I have never had a friend who liked to do that to people.

    Sir JK on the Breakdown said it happened to him all the time, and he did it to his close mates.

    I think I saw every test match JK played, I can't remember seeing that " all the time", or is this another situation where context doesn't matter?



  • @Siam said in England v Wales:

    @nzzp said in England v Wales:

    @mooshld said in England v Wales:

    Just a quick straw poll, to see if I am the exception. Anyone here have a close friend who tries to touch their penis?

    Maybe its an english thing? I have never had a friend who liked to do that to people.

    Sir JK on the Breakdown said it happened to him all the time, and he did it to his close mates.

    I think I saw every test match JK played, I can't remember seeing that " all the time", or is this another situation where context doesn't matter?

    As with Moody above he wass talking about rugby related areas, like changing rooms, training, etc



  • @Kirwan yeah mate, but this case is a different situation with probable retaliation consequences. To apply what happens in a test match ( or any rugby match) to normal life is pretty disingenuous.

    Wanking would be permissible following that rationale.

    This is simply an opportunity to redraw the lines of acceptability in rugby, whatever the outcome. Not the end of the world, just a small spot fire to deal with and move on



  • @mooshld not for me, but there were 2 guys in our team who used to give one another a flick or a squeeze, always got thier nuts out during drinks (well one more so than the other)...both married, generally respectable humans now, but on the lash during rugby season, animals!



  • @Siam said in England v Wales:

    @Kirwan yeah mate, but this case is a different situation with probable retaliation consequences. To apply what happens in a test match ( or any rugby match) to normal life is pretty disingenuous.

    Wanking would be permissible following that rationale.

    This is simply an opportunity to redraw the lines of acceptability in rugby, whatever the outcome. Not the end of the world, just a small spot fire to deal with and move on

    Bang on.

    Another thing to remember here though is that AWJ immediately reacted in a 'WTF' manner. That kind of dismisses all theory of 'having a laff'. Unwelcome groping is unwelcome groping.
    I pat the missus on the bum all the time and she has no problem with it. I don't think I'd try it on anyone else though.
    As said above. It just needs reiterating that playing rugby doesn't afford you the right to break normal conventions. Marler's problem is that he gets in trouble a fair bit so will get very little leniency.



  • I wonder how Vinnie Jones and Gazza feel about all this?



  • @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    I wonder how Vinnie Jones and Gazza feel about all this?

    Why? 32 years ago? Hardly comparable at all. Lots went down 32 years ago that has been weeded out now.
    I daresay that incident would certainly be treated differently now.



  • @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    I wonder how Vinnie Jones and Gazza feel about all this?

    Why? 32 years ago? Hardly comparable at all. Lots went down 32 years ago that has been weeded out now.
    I daresay that incident would certainly be treated differently now.

    Because they are probably shaking their heads at the big deal made from a little 'boop' on the ole fulla.



  • @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    I wonder how Vinnie Jones and Gazza feel about all this?

    Why? 32 years ago? Hardly comparable at all. Lots went down 32 years ago that has been weeded out now.
    I daresay that incident would certainly be treated differently now.

    Because they are probably shaking their heads at the big deal made from a little 'boop' on the ole fulla.

    You mean a couple of old blokes going “back in my day....”
    Gee, I wonder what Buck Shelford thinks about that French prop.....



  • @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    I wonder how Vinnie Jones and Gazza feel about all this?

    Why? 32 years ago? Hardly comparable at all. Lots went down 32 years ago that has been weeded out now.
    I daresay that incident would certainly be treated differently now.

    Because they are probably shaking their heads at the big deal made from a little 'boop' on the ole fulla.

    You mean a couple of old blokes going “back in my day....”

    No no, just because they are probably shaking their heads at the big deal made from a little 'boop' on the ole fulla.



  • @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    I wonder how Vinnie Jones and Gazza feel about all this?

    Why? 32 years ago? Hardly comparable at all. Lots went down 32 years ago that has been weeded out now.
    I daresay that incident would certainly be treated differently now.

    Because they are probably shaking their heads at the big deal made from a little 'boop' on the ole fulla.

    You mean a couple of old blokes going “back in my day....”

    No no, just because they are probably shaking their heads at the big deal made from a little 'boop' on the ole fulla.

    ....and their little boop wasn’t a big deal? Still famous now.



  • @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    I wonder how Vinnie Jones and Gazza feel about all this?

    Why? 32 years ago? Hardly comparable at all. Lots went down 32 years ago that has been weeded out now.
    I daresay that incident would certainly be treated differently now.

    Because they are probably shaking their heads at the big deal made from a little 'boop' on the ole fulla.

    You mean a couple of old blokes going “back in my day....”

    No no, just because they are probably shaking their heads at the big deal made from a little 'boop' on the ole fulla.

    ....and their little boop wasn’t a big deal? Still famous now.

    Dunno if you've seen the two instances? I know which one I would rather avoid more



  • @Hooroo I still don’t get your point.
    So far the list of justification includes Vinnie Jones (psycho), Gazza (drunk),Willie Mason and Piers Morgan (certifiable dickheads).



  • @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo I still don’t get your point.
    So far the list of justification includes Vinnie Jones (psycho), Gazza (drunk),Willie Mason and Piers Morgan (certifiable dickheads).

    I just don’t get the outrage and big deal being made of it.

    I guess I’m not that insecure that I would fall to pieces if someone did that to me in a rugby game.



  • @Hooroo said in England v Wales:

    @Crucial said in England v Wales:

    @Hooroo I still don’t get your point.
    So far the list of justification includes Vinnie Jones (psycho), Gazza (drunk),Willie Mason and Piers Morgan (certifiable dickheads).

    I just don’t get the outrage and big deal being made of it.

    I guess I’m not that insecure that I would fall to pieces if someone did that to me in a rugby game.

    The outrage and big deal isn’t being made on here.
    There are certainly some of us that don’t want it seen as an acceptable part of the game though.
    Nothing to do with insecurities either.


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