Corona and Sports



  • so, on the slightly more trivial side than complete economic meltdown, and the, you know, spectre of death, let's remember that, once upon a time, this was a Sports forum (remember sport?)

    So, this has fucked a few sports aye? Let's look at a few stories we can still talk about

    This fucking virus was created by Man United fans to stop Liverpool winning the league. It also confirms that Liverpool is never, ever going to win it. The chances of the EPL getting re-started appear to be pretty remote.
    Euro 2020, the cross-continent bonanza is off
    The Olympics has been put back a year.
    In Australia, there is an almighty shitfight about AFL players pay, with calls for them to take a serious pay cut, and them saying "neh, we played that charity game for you, fuck off" meanwhile most coaching staff and back offices have been rissoled. Claims no 2020 season at all will kill the AFL
    In the league, the players, for the most part, have kept their mouths shut, but they are facing significant pay cuts to keep clubs afloat. It appears the professional game is a house of cards, and has no capacity to survive without play. Seems a few clubs will go under with a prolonged shutdown, especially with the leagues clubs not being able to provide that sweet pokey revenue.
    It seems for both of these sports, recent broadcasting windfalls were all distributed to clubs with shitty business models, who then paid it all to the players. I just read an article that Ch9 isn't paying its broadcast payment to the NRL either.
    Surprisingly i haven't heard anything about rugby in Aus. Either they already quietly went broke, or they are just used to working with no coin.

    If we ever get out of this, what the hell is the sporting landscape going to look like?

    Oh yeah, and it looks like Victorian racing is back on! so there is something to do on Saturday



  • @mariner4life was a couple of headlines yesterday saying Jack Goodhue any rugby payers not willing to take a paycut would be selfish.

    What he actually said was he didnt think there would be anyone too selfish to not take one, which IMO is totally different take on it than the typical media controversial headline



  • So long as there is racing, I have a sport I can concentrate on!



  • @Hooroo for how much longer?



  • @taniwharugby said in Corona and Sports:

    @Hooroo for how much longer?

    Not long, I imagine.



  • @mariner4life said in Corona and Sports:

    This fucking virus was created by Crusader fans to stop The Blues winning Super Rugby.

    FIFY



  • @Hooroo said in Corona and Sports:

    not long, I imagine.

    😞

    do they do any in China, given they are slowly getting back to normal...🤔



  • @taniwharugby said in Corona and Sports:

    @Hooroo said in Corona and Sports:

    not long, I imagine.

    😞

    do they do any in China, given they are slowly getting back to normal...🤔

    Hong Kong hasn't stopped



  • @Crucial said in Corona and Sports:

    @mariner4life said in Corona and Sports:

    This fucking virus was created by Crusader fans to stop The Blues winning Super Rugby.

    FIFY

    so you're on to your 3rd Super team now?



  • @mariner4life said in Corona and Sports:

    Hong Kong hasn't stopped

    sweet, can top up my account soon 😆 🤔



  • @mariner4life said in Corona and Sports:

    @Crucial said in Corona and Sports:

    @mariner4life said in Corona and Sports:

    This fucking virus was created by Crusader fans to stop The Blues winning Super Rugby.

    FIFY

    so you're on to your 3rd Super team now?

    Didn't say I wanted the Blues to win, just that I wouldn't put it past the inbreds to scupper them.

    I'm sticking with Team 2 thanks.



  • @Crucial shameless



  • @mariner4life said in Corona and Sports:

    @Crucial shameless

    No shame in not supporting the Canes.

    The only shame would be in supporting the Saders.



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  • @Nepia said in Corona and Sports:

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    and in rolls the 2nd captain two teams. peas in a pod



  • @mariner4life said in Corona and Sports:

    This fucking virus was created by Man United fans to stop Liverpool winning the league

    Pah - it was obviously conceived at Lancaster Gate to stop mighty Fulham's ascension.



  • is @ACT-Crusader ready for when is supporting the Gold Coast Saints next year?



  • Still not missing the rugby at all.

    Test cricket would be great right now. I wish there was a secluded conrona-free island somewhere with a test series going on right now.

    On covid-19 impacts:
    This was from a few days ago.
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2020/mar/21/optimism-flows-for-premiership-despite-shutdowns-financial-pressure

    Last year, all the Premiership clubs, plus relegated Newcastle, each received a £12.5m windfall after the private equity company CVC took a 27% stake in the competition. It allowed many to pay off overdrafts and loans as well as investors and, for some, contribute to investment projects, but few have deep pockets and should the shutdown continue through the summer, they face being no better off than they were a year ago while CVC takes more than a quarter of the league’s turnover every year, reducing their income.

    The Premiership was suspended until 24 April in the hope it would not spook BT subscribers into cancelling or freezing their deals. While playing behind closed doors would mean a loss of match-day income, it would provide live action at a time when nothing is going on and lead to a resumption in central funding from Premiership Rugby, which makes up for 30% of the turnover on average.

    Premiership clubs have responded quickly, collectively agreeing, with the exception of the leaders, Exeter, to cut players’ wages by 25%.
    Central funding monies have dried up because it is paid on a monthly basis, based on expected income. With the lucrative Premiership final a potential victim of the shutdown and the knockout stages of the Champions Cup likely to be cancelled if the season resumes in a compressed form, revenues will be lower than calculated, adding to the financial pressure on the clubs whose outgoings average nearly £1m a month. Broadcasters and sponsors alike are conscious they are now getting nothing for their investment.

    (so no matchday/stadium income, nor any central income)



  • But a few days later:
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/mar/26/wage-cut-row-intensifies-as-premiership-players-take-legal-advice

    Row over 25% Premiership wage cut intensifies but Eddie Jones accepts drop

    Premiership players have been given legal advice on how to challenge the blanket 25% pay cuts imposed by the clubs as domestic rugby’s row over wage reductions intensified on Thursday.

    In the Championship, Newcastle Falcons have been plunged into turmoil with their players expected to reject their proposed swingeing pay cuts. In the Premiership the Guardian also understands the entire Leicester Tigers squad is strongly considering rejecting the 25% reduction after the Rugby Players’ Association provided legal guidance to its 700+ members.

    Newcastle, currently top of the Championship but still unsure if they will be promoted next season, on Thursday asked all their players and staff to agree to be put on furlough – unpaid leave save for the £2,500 a month available as part of the government’s bailout – and a deadline of midday on Friday to respond.

    It is understood the squad was then offered wage top-ups meaning those earning over £75,000 a year would receive 50% of their wages while those on £37,500 to £75,000 would get the equivalent of £37,500. It is believed that without further improvements it will be rejected however, potentially leaving the Falcons in considerable financial strife after the RFU announced last week that all of this season’s competitions below the Premiership would be cancelled due to the coronavirus pandemic.

    In a letter sent by the Newcastle director of rugby, Dean Richards, and seen by the Guardian, staff are told they are expected to agree to the measures and warned that redundancies may be necessary if they do not.

    In the Premiership meanwhile, an increasing number of players are set to challenge the 25% cuts imposed across the league. As reported by the Guardian, there is growing unrest, particularly among players whose contracts expire over the summer, and a sense of dismay that individual circumstances and varying salaries were not being taken into account.

    Meanwhile, Eddie Jones has agreed a pay cut in excess of 25% to his £750,000 salary, after the RFU chief executive, Bill Sweeney, revealed he and the rest of the union’s five-strong executive team would be doing so.

    Jones, who is currently in Japan, immediately agreed to the cut – which amounts to more than £187,500 a year – with the RFU estimating it will lose up to £50m in the next 18 months





  • Seems about right



  • Just quietly I would watch the fuck out of DC doing a lot of things



  • How fucking shithouse are Sunday mornings without sports news?



  • Now all i have is the hangover



  • @mariner4life said in Corona and Sports:

    How fucking shithouse are Sunday mornings without sports news?

    I didn't even realise it was Sunday



  • @voodoo said in Corona and Sports:

    @mariner4life said in Corona and Sports:

    How fucking shithouse are Sunday mornings without sports news?

    I didn't even realise it was Sunday

    Every day is Sunday.



  • @Crucial nah work tomorrow, for what it is



  • I understand the Champions League match between Atalanta and Getafe is thought to be the main source of transfer of the virus from Lombardy to Madrid. The 2 worst hit places currently in the world.



  • USARU filed for bankruptcy.



  • Premiership clubs seek state help to bail them out as coronavirus casts dark financial shadow over rugby
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-8173357/English-Premiership-clubs-seek-state-help-bail-out.html

    Headline sounds more sensational than it is. By "state help to bail them out" I think that just means some clubs are opting to furlough players -

    Players and staff will be paid 75 per cent of their full wages, as indicated last week, but via the furlough scheme clubs will be able to claim back £2,500 per month per individual from the state.

    I was ready to be outraged when I clicked on the link - thinking how dare the unsustainable major price setters should be going cap in hand.

    Interesting unintended consequence:

    Being furloughed, though, means players cannot work — a grey area for professionals who are trying to keep fit.



  • More info

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2020/03/28/premiership-rugby-clubs-receive-multi-million-pound-coronavirus/

    Premiership rugby clubs are to receive a multi-million pound coronavirus bailout from the Government after opting to put their players on sabbatical during the crisis, The Telegraph can reveal.

    County cricket clubs are also discussing following suit after being told doing so would also allow them to access funds made available under the coronavirus job retention scheme announced by Chancellor Rishi Sunak just over a week ago.

    Some lower league football clubs have already placed their players on what is being called ‘furlough’ – which will see the Government pay 80 per cent of their wages up to a maximum of £2,500 a month – with others expected to follow after the Treasury confirmed salaried athletes were eligible under the scheme....



  • I don't see keeping fit as a grey area, but they best not be video conferencing etc with coaches working on tactics and stuff. Bet they will tho



  • CVC seeing an opportunity for getting its sticky fingers into the NRL now.

    https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/cvc-capital-partners-in-100m-nrl-lifeline-20200329-p54f29

    British private equity firm CVC Capital Partners is believed to be one of the firms to have had informal discussions about a $100 million loan facility to help NRL clubs stay afloat during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Sources told The Australian Financial Review a deal was being brokered by the Melbourne Storm's largest shareholder and departing chairman Bart Campbell, who has a range of connections in capital markets and sport having taken on several executive roles out of London in the early 2000s.

    CVC is believed to be one of the firms looking at extending credit. News Corp's The Sunday Telegraph reported on the weekend that an English buyout firm was looking at providing finance for the NRL.

    Sources said the Australian Rugby League Commission were going through a range of loan facility options, which would likely be secured against broadcast rights fees when the sport returns.



  • @Rapido said in Corona and Sports:

    CVC seeing an opportunity for getting its sticky fingers into the NRL now.

    I hate private equity firms in principle.

    NRL: don't do it. For god's sake, don't do it. You'd be better of failing, forgiving debts and obligations and restarting from the ground up than having filthy financiers in contorl of your operation



  • @nzzp said in Corona and Sports:

    @Rapido said in Corona and Sports:

    CVC seeing an opportunity for getting its sticky fingers into the NRL now.

    I hate private equity firms in principle.

    NRL: don't do it. For god's sake, don't do it. You'd be better of failing, forgiving debts and obligations and restarting from the ground up than having filthy financiers in contorl of your operation

    The sport would yes. They are almost an island to themselves without competition.

    But human nature says the vested interests (players and administrators) will want to take an option that keeps the pumped-up unsustainable juggernaut going for as long as possible.



  • @Rapido said in Corona and Sports:

    CVC seeing an opportunity for getting its sticky fingers into the NRL now.

    Nothing good would come out of that. It's already a game fashioned for TV spectacle.



  • my life feels devoid of meaning...



  • From: https://www.interest.co.nz/news/104456/global-jobs-crushed-bank-credit-ratings-fall-china-reserves-fall-australia-not-trying

    It appears Australia is planning to live with the disease rather than eradicate it. And if New Zealand does achieve eradication, that is likely to be a major impediment to normal relations between the two countries for a very long time.

    ^ that section in turn used this as its refernce: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-07/coronavirus-government-covid19-modelling-experts-on-repsonse/12128950

    If this were to come to pass. It would have huge impacts on Super Rugby, and the Warriors, until/if a vaccine is discovered or the virus were to peter out a-la SARS.



  • If New Zealand was seeking to eradicate Covid 19 from its shores, it would have to effectively close itself off from the rest of the world, lest a visitor introduce it again.

    I wouldn't say Australia is seeking to live with it either, unless by live you mean effective home arrest.



  • @antipodean I think we can use 14 day quarantine once we've eliminated it from NZ rather than totally closed borders, but either way, that's going to be painful for overseas travellers.


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