All time Super Rugby XV (all teams)



  • Post your ultimate Super Rugby XV, can be any player, any year, any club.

    1. Os Du Randt (Cheetahs/Cats/Bulls)
    2. John Smit (Sharks)
    3. Owen Franks (Crusaders)
    4. Brodie Rettalick (Chiefs)
    5. Victor Matfield (Bulls/Cats)
    6. Jerry Collins (Hurricanes)
    7. Richie McCaw (Crusaders)
    8. Pierres Spies (Bulls)
    9. Joost van der Westhuizen (Bulls)
    10. Daniel Carter (Crusaders)
    11. Jonah Lomu (Hurricanes/Blues/Chiefs)
    12. Ma'a Nonu (Hurricanes/Blues/Highlanders)
    13. Stirling Mortlock (Brumbies/Rebels)
    14. Rupeni Caucaunibuca (Blues)
    15. Christian Cullen (Hurricanes)

    Reserves:
    16. Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
    17. Tony Woodcock (Blues)
    18. Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks)
    19. Brad Thorn (Crusaders)
    20. George Smith (Brumbies/Reds)
    21. Will Genia (Reds/Rebels)
    22. Stephen Larkham (Brumbies)
    23. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes)



  • @Canes4life

    Spies as the best no 8? And Mortlock was rather limited as a player. Also a bit of a cock.

    I'd swap in Duane Vermeulen and either Jaque Fourie or Tana at centre.



  • @antipodean Mortlock limited? The guy was a massive presence in any side he played for. See I think Mortlock did alot more in his Super career than Fourie, I would have De Villiers before him aswell. And for Spies, when he was on form there was no one better IMO, massive reason why the Bulls have won three titles.



  • @Canes4life I'm not sure Dan Carter actually warrants selection in an all time Super team. All time ABs, sure - but I'm doubtful about Super.

    He only played in two championship winning Crusaders teams - and through the Blackadder era, I think a lot of the Crusaders' All Blacks played within themselves for most of the season and then tried to finish over the top of everyone - playing away from home. A strategy that didn't work.

    Dan pretty much admitted as much in his book.



  • this should be loaded with early Blues, a couple of different Crusader iterations, and that great Brumbie side

    Joe Roff, for instance, should walk in.



  • @Canes4life said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @antipodean Mortlock limited? The guy was a massive presence in any side he played for. See I think Mortlock did alot more in his Super career than Fourie, I would have De Villiers before him aswell. And for Spies, when he was on form there was no one better IMO, massive reason why the Bulls have won three titles.

    Oh, you're being serious? I thought this was a carry on from you saying Ardie over Superman.



  • @antipodean said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @Canes4life said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @antipodean Mortlock limited? The guy was a massive presence in any side he played for. See I think Mortlock did alot more in his Super career than Fourie, I would have De Villiers before him aswell. And for Spies, when he was on form there was no one better IMO, massive reason why the Bulls have won three titles.

    Oh, you're being serious? I thought this was a carry on from you saying Ardie over Superman.

    Superman sucked on Krypton. He needed a change of planet to get the best out of him. When he started out , didn't look interested, didn't save any humans, was a general disappoint. Ardie is way better 😛



  • @nzzp said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @antipodean said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @Canes4life said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @antipodean Mortlock limited? The guy was a massive presence in any side he played for. See I think Mortlock did alot more in his Super career than Fourie, I would have De Villiers before him aswell. And for Spies, when he was on form there was no one better IMO, massive reason why the Bulls have won three titles.

    Oh, you're being serious? I thought this was a carry on from you saying Ardie over Superman.

    Superman sucked on Krypton. He needed a change of planet to get the best out of him. When he started out , didn't look interested, didn't save any humans, was a general disappoint. Ardie is way better 😛

    With the cancellation of the conference system there's no games on Krypton this season. 😛



  • @antipodean no no no not Ardie over Superman, Ardie is Superman. 😁



  • @Canes4life said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Post your ultimate Super Rugby XV, can be any player, any year, any club.

    1. Os Du Randt (Cheetahs/Cats/Bulls)
    2. John Smit (Sharks)
    3. Owen Franks (Crusaders)
    4. Brodie Rettalick (Chiefs)
    5. Victor Matfield (Bulls/Cats)
    6. Jerry Collins (Hurricanes)
    7. Richie McCaw (Crusaders)
    8. Pierres Spies (Bulls)
    9. Joost van der Westhuizen (Bulls)
    10. Daniel Carter (Crusaders)
    11. Jonah Lomu (Hurricanes/Blues/Chiefs)
    12. Ma'a Nonu (Hurricanes/Blues/Highlanders)
    13. Stirling Mortlock (Brumbies/Rebels)
    14. Rupeni Caucaunibuca (Blues)
    15. Christian Cullen (Hurricanes)

    Reserves:
    16. Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
    17. Tony Woodcock (Blues)
    18. Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks)
    19. Brad Thorn (Crusaders)
    20. George Smith (Brumbies/Reds)
    21. Will Genia (Reds/Rebels)
    22. Stephen Larkham (Brumbies)
    23. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes)

    Two LHP on the bench is questionable.
    Olo Brown was a much more impressive THP than Owen Franks IMO.
    I'd go with Bakkies Botha on the bench : did Brad Thorn left an indelible mark for the Crusaders ?



  • @cgrant said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Olo Brown was a much more impressive THP than Owen Franks IMO.

    Olo Brown was the most impressive THP ever.

    also, his straight back says 'hi' :D.

    I'd vote for Olo for Mayor



  • 1 Os Du Randt
    2 Sean Fitzpatrick
    3 Owen Franks
    4 Victor Matfield
    5 Sam Whitelock
    6 Michael Jones
    7 Richie McCaw
    8 Kieran Read
    9 George Gregan
    10 Dan Carter
    11 Jonah Lomu
    12 Sonny Bill Williams
    13 Sterling Mortlock
    14 Joe Roff
    15 Israel Folau



  • Folau and not Cullen ? Hmmm. 👎
    Zinzan Brooke was heads and shoulders above the rest during the nineties. Best Nr.8 IMO.
    Carter was the best 10 ever but not in Super Rugby. The most brilliant was Carlos Spencer. He gets my vote with Stephen Larkham bubbling under.



  • @cgrant said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Folau and not Cullen ? Hmmm. 👎
    Zinzan Brooke was heads and shoulders above the rest during the nineties. Best Nr.8 IMO.
    Carter was the best 10 ever but not in Super Rugby. The most brilliant was Carlos Spencer. He gets my vote with Stephen Larkham bubbling under.

    Bottom line for me is winning trophies.

    I'm massive Cullen fan, let me explain my reasonsing for not choosing him at 15. Israel Folau was the Waratahs best player when they won the trophy in 2014. Cullen was never part of a team that won the title. Folau's 60 tries in 96 games is the record in Super Rugby and by far the best of his era.

    Carter is the record point scorer in Super Rugby. He had a much better defensive game than Carlos Spencer. Carlos was 2nd choice goal kicker to Adrian Cashmore at the Blues in the 1990s.

    Kieran Read won the Super Title four times and played in two other finals. In his 12 Super seasons, the Crusaders made the Semi Finals 10 times, an astonishing record that is unlikely to be ever matched.



  • If you want the backline that scored the most tries this is it.

    15- Israel Folau (60)
    14- Doug Howlett (59)
    11 - Caleb Ralph (58)
    13 - Stirling Mortlock (56)
    12 - Ma'a Nonu (56)
    10 - Beauden Barrett (34) ?-not 100% on this.
    9 - TJ Perenara (55)

    I couldn't find the records for forwards but Scott Higginbotham is the only forward on Wiki with 41.



  • @sparky said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @cgrant said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Folau and not Cullen ? Hmmm. 👎
    Zinzan Brooke was heads and shoulders above the rest during the nineties. Best Nr.8 IMO.
    Carter was the best 10 ever but not in Super Rugby. The most brilliant was Carlos Spencer. He gets my vote with Stephen Larkham bubbling under.

    Bottom line for me is winning trophies.

    Based on that you would select Fourie du Preez or Marshall ahead of Gregan.



  • Cullen scored 56 tries in 85 games for the Canes which is a higher strike rate per game than Folau in a more competitive era of Super Rugby (Cullen wasn't playing Aussie derbies x2 per season).



  • @Bovidae said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @sparky said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @cgrant said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Folau and not Cullen ? Hmmm. 👎
    Zinzan Brooke was heads and shoulders above the rest during the nineties. Best Nr.8 IMO.
    Carter was the best 10 ever but not in Super Rugby. The most brilliant was Carlos Spencer. He gets my vote with Stephen Larkham bubbling under.

    Bottom line for me is winning trophies.

    Based on that you would select Fourie du Preez or Marshall ahead of Gregan.

    And cashmore or MacDonald at 15



  • Yeah this "so and so won X number of titles" is a bit weird as an overriding factor.

    Surely it's harder to score tries, etc, if your team isn't a title winner?



  • @Bones said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Yeah this "so and so won X number of titles" is a bit weird as an overriding factor.

    Surely it's harder to score tries, etc, if your team isn't a title winner?

    Hey look the Highlanders have arrived



  • @mariner4life said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @Bones said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Yeah this "so and so won X number of titles" is a bit weird as an overriding factor.

    Surely it's harder to score tries, etc, if your team isn't a title winner?

    Hey look the Highlanders have arrived

    All their best Super Rugby players that might be in contention (Maka, Meeuws, Wilson, Kronfeld, Stanley, etc) were when I was a Canes supoorter. It's funny watching you fuckers forget I'm just another @Crucial / @Nepia



  • @Bones said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @mariner4life said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @Bones said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Yeah this "so and so won X number of titles" is a bit weird as an overriding factor.

    Surely it's harder to score tries, etc, if your team isn't a title winner?

    Hey look the Highlanders have arrived

    All their best Super Rugby players that might be in contention (Maka, Meeuws, Wilson, Kronfeld, Stanley, etc) were when I was a Canes supoorter. It's funny watching you fuckers forget I'm just another @Crucial / @Nepia

    The Smiths are surely in contention as much as some of these names (the halfback and fullback i mean.... not the right wing Morrissey)



  • @KiwiMurph yeah probably Aaron but not Ben.



  • @chimoaus said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    If you want the backline that scored the most tries this is it.

    15- Israel Folau (60)
    14- Doug Howlett (59)
    11 - Caleb Ralph (58)
    13 - Stirling Mortlock (56)
    12 - Ma'a Nonu (56)
    10 - Beauden Barrett (34) ?-not 100% on this.
    9 - TJ Perenara (55)

    I couldn't find the records for forwards but Scott Higginbotham is the only forward on Wiki with 41.

    My question to that list would be how many tries are they setting up for others..? in all seriousness would anyone take Caleb Ralph as their first choice winger?



  • @Bovidae said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @sparky said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @cgrant said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Folau and not Cullen ? Hmmm. 👎
    Zinzan Brooke was heads and shoulders above the rest during the nineties. Best Nr.8 IMO.
    Carter was the best 10 ever but not in Super Rugby. The most brilliant was Carlos Spencer. He gets my vote with Stephen Larkham bubbling under.

    Bottom line for me is winning trophies.

    Based on that you would select Fourie du Preez or Marshall ahead of Gregan.

    I would. Grogan was a brilliant, brilliant Super Rugby player, but at that level Marshall was clearly better than him. At international level, however, George was clearly a better halfback than Marshall (as was FDP for that matter).



  • any backline that doesnt include Rupeni in it, is wrong haha

    Shame we never saw more of him, nor did we probably even see the best of him.



  • @taniwharugby said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    any backline that doesnt include Rupeni in it, is wrong haha

    Shame we never saw more of him, nor did we probably even see the best of him.

    I think we saw the best of him. It was just that his best only appeared in short bursts.

    That Blues game against the Brumbies back whenever showcased freakiness.



  • @taniwharugby I know it's not Super rugby but I figured you may remember better - didn't he have an absolute freak game for Northland against Auckland in the NPC - or am I remembering that wrong.



  • @Toddy he did have a couple, played a hand on one of our rare wins over Auckland, but I recall when he played his first game for us, may have been v SOuthland, he 'broke' the Fantasy Rugby system, they had to delay the results for a few days while they fixed things as his numbers were unprecedented.



  • @Toddy said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @taniwharugby I know it's not Super rugby but I figured you may remember better - didn't he have an absolute freak game for Northland against Auckland in the NPC - or am I remembering that wrong.

    He was amazing and James Arlidge had one of his best ever games. A crazy high scoring game



  • @Toddy @taniwharugby

    It was 2001. Last minute Rupeni try to steal the game 44-43

    That game was as good as anything he did for the Blues in 2003. I think it was Howlett that he cruised past for the last try



  • @Duluth and as always with him, looked like he was cruising along.

    Some great names in both those teams!!

    I watched that clip just last week, showed TR Jnr as Brad MIller is PE teacher at Kamo High now.



  • @Duluth great find!

    It was an awesome game to watch. Auckland were generally my second team to support in the NPC, especially as the in-laws absolutely hated them. It was a bizarre watch as this 'new' winger kept tearing them a new one.

    Also, it's not often you see a team rewarded for kicking the ball away at the end of the game.



  • @Toddy is a slightly longer clip of that game as the first post in this thread

    https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/1980/video-clips?_=1585770835832



  • @nzzp said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @cgrant said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Olo Brown was a much more impressive THP than Owen Franks IMO.

    Olo Brown was the most impressive THP ever.

    also, his straight back says 'hi' :D.

    I'd vote for Olo for Mayor

    Olo takes some beating. Cobus Visagie probably best THP of last 15 years.



  • @Toddy said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @Duluth great find!

    It was an awesome game to watch. Auckland were generally my second team to support in the NPC, especially as the in-laws absolutely hated them. It was a bizarre watch as this 'new' winger kept tearing them a new one.

    Rupeni's got to be top of the "players you wish had more nutritional discipline" list. Occupying second would probably be Tameifuna.



  • @pakman said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @nzzp said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @cgrant said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    Olo Brown was a much more impressive THP than Owen Franks IMO.

    Olo Brown was the most impressive THP ever.

    also, his straight back says 'hi' :D.

    I'd vote for Olo for Mayor

    Olo takes some beating. Cobus Visagie probably best THP of last 15 years.

    Cobus and Os made a pretty handy front row.



  • @Chris-B said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):

    @Canes4life I'm not sure Dan Carter actually warrants selection in an all time Super team. All time ABs, sure - but I'm doubtful about Super.

    He only played in two championship winning Crusaders teams - and through the Blackadder era, I think a lot of the Crusaders' All Blacks played within themselves for most of the season and then tried to finish over the top of everyone - playing away from home. A strategy that didn't work.

    Dan pretty much admitted as much in his book.

    Three: 2005, 2006 & 2008. And it's funny how - because we've won so many - two is refrerred to as "only two". With three championships, only a handful of guys who were in the 1998-2000 and 2002 Crusaders have won more. In saying that though, I wouldn't have him in my XV. This would be:

    15 Mils Muliaina
    14 Rico Gear
    11 Bryan Habana
    13 Stirling Mortlock
    12 Aaron Mauger
    10 Andrew Mehrtens
    9 Will Genia
    8 Mose Tuiali'i
    7 Richie McCaw
    6 Reuben Thorne
    5 Chris Jack
    4 Victor Matfield
    3 Greg Sommerville
    2 Corey Flynn
    1 Wyatt Crockett

    Res

    16 Jeremy Paul
    17 Gurthro Steenkamp
    18 Owen Franks
    19 Sam Whitelock
    20 George Smith
    21 Fourie du Preez
    22 Daniel Carter
    23 Ben Smith



  • @shark Pretty sure Dan was overseas in France in 2008. Broke his leg, I think. I think Stephen Brett probably had the tiller in 2008.

    So in terms of Crusaders' titles:

    Mehrts 4
    Mo'unga 3
    Carter 2
    Brett 1

    I struggle to see that Dan should be ahead of Mehrts in particular at Super level, but probably even Richie.



  • @shark Pleased to see you've got Chris Jack in your team. He was awesome at Super level.

    Lots of good fullback contenders, but I reckon Leon should go very close. A master of blindside attacking and arguably a dual pivot in the days before that was a thing.

    I recall years ago, NTA posting that he'd had a conversation with Ewen McKenzie (or been at a function where EM spoke) and EM reckoned the key to beating the Crusaders was to nullify Chris Jack and Leon MacDonald.


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