NPC v Super Rugby



  • I'm curious what everyone thinks on this forum. Given that this virus has messed up all immediate rugby schedules it seems that The NZRU is considering running some sort of rugby latter in the year (if possible).

    So, if you were to choose one, which would it be ? Do you want an NPC comp with the top flight players included or the local Super teams in some sort of competition ?

    I know there are many unanswered questions like salaries, travel restrictions and competition rules but for the sake of this pole lets ignore them.



  • NPC any day of the week if it had the same players that Super Rugby had + AB's



  • Whatever makes NZR the most money - we need it. I'll watch both equally happily



  • Super for me. Well, as a body of work anyway. The standard is just so much higher; before teh stupid conference system it was pinnacle rugby for bloody ages.

    In fact, since they went to conferences, there has been a gradual decline in the quality, with a sudden step change in 2016 with Super 18. FFS.



  • NPC. If this was the only show in town the quality of the rugby on display would return to its glory days as the best players would be involved.



  • @Machpants said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    Whatever makes NZR the most money - we need it. I'll watch both equally happily

    I love the NPC because I get to watch the Magpies, but the three tiered system is perfect for me and I like being able to watch Super, then the ABs and then the Magpies.

    I have no issues with the quality of the NPC, it's our 3rd tier but usually the rugby is of a pretty good standard.

    Obviously if only one could survive I would take the NPC then daylight.



  • The whole thing looks like a conspiracy to to prise open Tasman's iron grip on the NPC! šŸ™‚

    Will have to be NPC if it's going to run for more than a few weeks - but, as a one season option there might be some challenges to overcome. One might be how to avoid a suite of mismatches between teams stacked with All Blacks and teams not - especially if some of the Div 2 teams are stacked (e.g. Taranaki).

    Maybe some of the ABs should go into a draft? šŸ™‚



  • NPC all day, every day. Opportunity also for NZR to boost sponsorship dollars: bye bye M10 unless you want to pony-up.

    I don't know if I share your pessimism re Tasman, Chris B. Your top XV would still compare highly favourably to any other.



  • NPC all day every day, which given my teams lack of success since, well, ever, is plain odd!! šŸ¤”

    Having a solitary AB back for us would be huge.



  • @shark I'm not particularly pessimistic about Tasman's chances - but, without ABs involved it might have been a cakewalk to the 2020 title - especially if Tasman players on the fringe of AB selection didn't make it! šŸ™‚



  • I don't know whether this poll reflects the NZ general opinion since NPC is played in front of empty seats.



  • @cgrant Would the stands still sit empty if it was the premier competition and the best players were available?

    Guess you could argue the best players aren't available for Super rugby either but the crowds are disappearing from that too....



  • Super makes more money because of SATV rights, but either would do well in a post-Covid world due to pent up demand and limited supply (in terms of top flight matches per year).

    If we could actually choose either, I would select NPC because of the Ranfurly Shield.



  • @Godder said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    If we could actually choose either, I would select NPC because of the Ranfurly Shield.

    The what?



  • If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.



  • @Hooroo Sounds like a winner. šŸ¤£





  • @Stargazer For the better of the competition. A smaller economical comp is better than no comp. Would generate revenue too.



  • @Hooroo I suggested earlier to shorten the comp by scratching cross-over games. That's as far as I would want to go. The unions in the Championship need the income, too, and their SR players and ABs need to play.



  • @Stargazer said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @Hooroo I suggested earlier to shorten the comp by scratching cross-over games. That's as far as I would want to go. The unions in the Championship need the income, too, and their SR players and ABs need to play.

    Everyone needs the income so that is a mute point.

    I would assume they would be allowed to loan their AB's to the playing provinces.



  • @Hooroo Yeah, nah.

    If this scenario would happen, I'd boycot all games and rather watch the replays on my MySky.



  • @Stargazer said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @Hooroo Yeah, nah.

    If this scenario would happen, I'd boycot all games and rather watch the replays on my MySky.

    But that doesn't matter. In a time with no sport, only a small % would be like you. Everyone else would be hanging out for something to watch.

    Its worth an email to NZRU a an option, I think. (Have too much time on my hands obviously)



  • It'd have to be a full round-robin, and six team finals series. No byes required so this would take 16 weeks. It could theoretically start Friday July 31st and finish Saturday Nov 14th. This is only two weeks later than the NPC used to finish, and assuming there's no EOYT, then why not go into November?

    Provincial squads at full strength - or better than full strength if NH contracted players are able to play - playing in good weather come October (ala Feb and March in SR) would draw fantastic crowds and would be a wonderful panacea for many unions and NZR.



  • @Hooroo I know this is just a wind-up, but there's a way better way to ensure that the best players, particularly ABs, get quality game time, if a 14 team NPC is not possible: a NZ-only SR competition.



  • So the ABs won't be playing this season?

    The July tests and RC won't happen if players from both hemispheres aren't playing regularly beforehand and there are still international travel restrictions in place. The ABs would only go on an EOYT if they had a revenue sharing agreement in place to replace lost income from cancelled domestic tests.



  • @Bovidae I don't think any decision about EOYTs has been made, but some European countries may take much longer to recover from COVID19 than experts in the South expect it to last over here.

    Btw, I've seen suggestions from Australia - not sure who posted them - to have a 5-test Bledisloe Cup at the end of the year, if Northern EOYTs aren't possible, but trans-Tasman tests are feasible. Three in Oz, two in NZ. Might be worth considering. Maybe add a test against Fiji.



  • @Stargazer No decision has been made about the July tests and RC either, at least that have been made public. You can bet the respective unions are having regular discussions about the different scenarios but it is such a fluid situation that will be unique to each country, so they can't make any plans.



  • Lots of plans can be made, and I am sure they are, maybe not so many implemented!



  • @Hooroo said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @Stargazer said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @Hooroo Yeah, nah.

    If this scenario would happen, I'd boycot all games and rather watch the replays on my MySky.

    But that doesn't matter. In a time with no sport, only a small % would be like you. Everyone else would be hanging out for something to watch.

    Its worth an email to NZRU a an option, I think. (Have too much time on my hands obviously)

    Iā€™m busy at work at the moment (stupid CV making me having to work harder), but once done Iā€™m going to email NZR saying not to trust letters from dudes named Hooro.



  • If you have Super Rugby during the NPC, there is no point having an NPC. I doubt I would even watch it. If we can't get the season going until August, I would rather just have the NPC. We could do a quickfire Super Rugby competition in six weeks though.



  • @Hooroo said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.

    I don't think that is an option. It's either safe to have the competition (and if it is why not have the full thing) or it isn't safe and there shouldn't be any rugby at all. I don't think there will be something in between.



  • @hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @Hooroo said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.

    I don't think that is an option. It's either safe to have the competition (and if it is why not have the full thing)

    Revenue. I can't see how the Championship adds any.



  • @antipodean said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @Hooroo said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.

    I don't think that is an option. It's either safe to have the competition (and if it is why not have the full thing)

    Revenue. I can't see how the Championship adds any.

    I think it will add plenty in 2020 with people struggling for live sport. There will be no other local sport on. Maybe overseas sport will have started again, maybe not. If it was just the Premiership then you only have an 8 week competition when it could be twice as long and deliver more revenue.

    SKY have nothing on so would love to be able to have NPC on 4 days a week.



  • @antipodean said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @Hooroo said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.

    I don't think that is an option. It's either safe to have the competition (and if it is why not have the full thing)

    Revenue. I can't see how the Championship adds any.

    Paying Sky customers from those 7 provinces would disagree. There will be many on here who wouldn't bother watching if their team wasn't involved.



  • @Bovidae said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @antipodean said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @hydro11 said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    @Hooroo said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    If the NPC did start, I would keep it smaller and just restrict it to the Premiership teams and keep the Championship teams out of it. That would create less travel and onus on the actual NPC costs and you would still get a great TV viewership.

    I don't think that is an option. It's either safe to have the competition (and if it is why not have the full thing)

    Revenue. I can't see how the Championship adds any.

    Paying Sky customers from those 7 provinces would disagree. There will be many on here who wouldn't bother watching if their team wasn't involved.

    Presumably those people watch anyway and yet it costs the NZR to run the comp.



  • given the announcement made a few days ago, if we see any rugby this year, I expect it wil be the same teams involved in the NPC last year, but hopefully with the additon of ABs.





  • @taniwharugby said in NPC v Super Rugby:

    given the announcement made a few days ago, if we see any rugby this year, I expect it wil be the same teams involved in the NPC last year, but hopefully with the additon of ABs.

    so Northland would be even further behind?



  • @mariner4life you know what, if I get to see my team run around later this year, with our solitary AB, I'l be stoked, we had a great season last time he was involved, so who knows...



  • 6 of the 23 ABs that played England last year are in championship teams, and that excludes the likes of Read and BBBR.


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