Lance



  • Any one else watch the first part of the Lance Armstrong documentary last night?

    I find him a fascinating character. And i actually like listening to him speak (his podcast during the tour is really good).

    It's interesting to watch the Lance Armstrong story as well all knew it, now told with the drug and attitude stuff actually articulated during it.

    First part ends with his first tour title, so the 2nd half should be great TV if he is actually honest about his actions.



  • @mariner4life I plan to watch tonight, am equally fascinated by the whole story and period in the sport



  • What is it being shown on?



  • @Crucial it's a 30 for 30. So i watched it on ESPN last night



  • The man was a winner. A psychopath perhaps, but a winner nonetheless.

    In much the same way I recognised Ben Johnson as the fastest sprinter in the world for a substantial period of time. Both of them competing against people also doping, they were just faster.

    In Ben's defence he didn't seek to destroy people to ensure he wasn't outed. That's what makes Lance a fluffybunny.



  • @antipodean said in Lance:

    The man was a winner. A psychopath perhaps, but a winner nonetheless.

    In much the same way I recognised Ben Johnson as the fastest sprinter in the world for a substantial period of time. Both of them competing against people also doping, they were just faster.

    In Ben's defence he didn't seek to destroy people to ensure he wasn't outed. That's what makes Lance a fluffybunny.

    agree with absolutely all of this. Throw in extreme arrogance, and it's quite the cocktail

    I'm willing to forgive a bit of shit because i can't say categorically that i wouldn't have done the same thing in his position.



  • My issue with Lance is that he coerced his young gullible team mates to ingest large quantities of carcinogens, or at the very least was complicit in that coercion.



  • @booboo said in Lance:

    My issue with Lance is that he coerced his young gullible team mates to ingest large quantities of carcinogens, or at the very least was complicit in that coercion.

    hahaha yeah that's all on Lance....



  • @mariner4life said in Lance:

    @booboo said in Lance:

    My issue with Lance is that he coerced his young gullible team mates to ingest large quantities of carcinogens, or at the very least was complicit in that coercion.

    hahaha yeah that's all on Lance....

    He got to Jan Ullrich, too. Impressive.



  • @booboo said in Lance:

    My issue with Lance is that he coerced his young gullible team mates to ingest large quantities of carcinogens, or at the very least was complicit in that coercion.

    The word you're looking for is leadership.



  • @antipodean said in Lance:

    @booboo said in Lance:

    My issue with Lance is that he coerced his young gullible team mates to ingest large quantities of carcinogens, or at the very least was complicit in that coercion.

    The word you're looking for is leadership.

    Let's not kid ourselves into pretending cycling is clean. Almost all of them are on something, before and after Lance. He did take it to another level with the way they jacked up. The way they stacked their team to help him win was brilliant though



  • @canefan said in Lance:

    and the way they stacked their team to help him win

    that's not cheating. And is done in every sport everywhere



  • @mariner4life said in Lance:

    @canefan said in Lance:

    and the way they stacked their team to help him win

    that's not cheating. And is done in every sport everywhere

    Yeah, apologies but I didn't structure my comment well. Jacking up was cheating. All the rest was brilliant. Ive fixed my post. Sky followed the template to get dominant wins for Wiggins and Froome



  • Hypocrite of the highest order.

    Will forever be a lying, sneaky, manipulative cu*t in my book.



  • @mariner4life said in Lance:

    @booboo said in Lance:

    My issue with Lance is that he coerced his young gullible team mates to ingest large quantities of carcinogens, or at the very least was complicit in that coercion.

    hahaha yeah that's all on Lance....

    "Complicit"



  • @mariner4life said in Lance:

    @antipodean said in Lance:

    The man was a winner. A psychopath perhaps, but a winner nonetheless.

    In much the same way I recognised Ben Johnson as the fastest sprinter in the world for a substantial period of time. Both of them competing against people also doping, they were just faster.

    In Ben's defence he didn't seek to destroy people to ensure he wasn't outed. That's what makes Lance a fluffybunny.

    agree with absolutely all of this. Throw in extreme arrogance, and it's quite the cocktail

    I'm willing to forgive a bit of shit because i can't say categorically that i wouldn't have done the same thing in his position.

    Yeah, same same. Filthy fucking cheat, but he was the best cheat in the game, and he worked his arse off the whole time. The cancer bizarrely helped with weight loss for the climbs, but you could never question his work ethic.

    He'll always be a cnt for the way he attacked Lemond, the Irish physio, others. But somehow I'll always have a spot for him in my sporting heart. I really can't explain it.



  • @MiketheSnow said in Lance:

    Hypocrite of the highest order.

    Will forever be a lying, sneaky, manipulative cu*t in my book.

    You need to learn to speak more plainly. People will understand you clearly then.



  • I'll watch it; it'll be fascinating.

    But he's a fluffybunny; a psychopathic cheating fluffybunny of the highest order.

    He's no sporting great, he is probably sport's greatest fraud.

    I guess that's why I'll watch it though.



  • He still portrays himself as a victim though and I guess that’s just his inherent self absorbed personality.
    I wonder what happened to his ex mechanic? Can’t remember his name (Mike someone). Armstrong tried hard to completely ruin him and he had to run away from being top bike mechanic on the tour circuit to running a bike shop in Upper Hutt.
    The shop didn’t last and he came across as having a chip on his shoulder, but still, he didn’t deserve what he copped for telling the truth when questioned by authorities.



  • @gt12 said in Lance:

    He's no sporting great, he is probably sport's greatest fraud.

    I don't think so. He cheated, like everyone else, but that doesn't make him a fraud. For me, it'd be like Usain Bolt beign pinged for cheating - invalidates the records, but still freakish athletes and so driven to get to the place that the drugs put them into the record books.

    So, assholes, lying, cheating, sport destroying monsters ... but not frauds.



  • Fuck that guy



  • @shark said in Lance:

    Fuck that guy

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  • @gt12 said in Lance:

    I'll watch it; it'll be fascinating.

    But he's a fluffybunny; a psychopathic cheating fluffybunny of the highest order.

    He's no sporting great, he is probably sport's greatest fraud.

    I guess that's why I'll watch it though.

    Yeah - when you read about some of the shit he did to take down people who were telling the truth about him, Lance is a total asshole.

    But, the story is compulsive viewing.



  • @Crucial said in Lance:

    He still portrays himself as a victim though and I guess that’s just his inherent self absorbed personality.
    I wonder what happened to his ex mechanic? Can’t remember his name (Mike someone). Armstrong tried hard to completely ruin him and he had to run away from being top bike mechanic on the tour circuit to running a bike shop in Upper Hutt.
    The shop didn’t last and he came across as having a chip on his shoulder, but still, he didn’t deserve what he copped for telling the truth when questioned by authorities.

    Hardly surprising



  • Anyone figured out how to watch it in NZ?



  • @voodoo said in Lance:

    Anyone figured out how to watch it in NZ?

    It's on ESPN



  • @canefan yeah but now? I can't get to play now on the app



  • @voodoo said in Lance:

    @canefan yeah but now? I can't get to play now on the app

    Its finishing in 40 minutes. Not on demand. Next viewing is tomorrow or Thursday? It's almost stone age



  • @canefan said in Lance:

    @voodoo said in Lance:

    @canefan yeah but now? I can't get to play now on the app

    Its finishing in 40 minutes. Not on demand. Next viewing is tomorrow or Thursday? It's almost stone age

    Not on demand, fucking killing me!!!!



  • @voodoo said in Lance:

    @canefan said in Lance:

    @voodoo said in Lance:

    @canefan yeah but now? I can't get to play now on the app

    Its finishing in 40 minutes. Not on demand. Next viewing is tomorrow or Thursday? It's almost stone age

    Not on demand, fucking killing me!!!!

    Unacceptable in this era of netflix and Disney+



  • Yeah well it’s not even on ESPN in the UK it seems. The only way you can watch it here is on ESPN player for a separate monthly subscription.



  • @Chris-B said in Lance:

    @gt12 said in Lance:

    I'll watch it; it'll be fascinating.

    But he's a fluffybunny; a psychopathic cheating fluffybunny of the highest order.

    He's no sporting great, he is probably sport's greatest fraud.

    I guess that's why I'll watch it though.

    Yeah - when you read about some of the shit he did to take down people who were telling the truth about him, Lance is a total asshole.

    But, the story is compulsive viewing.

    I'd expect it is. And will try and watch at some stage.

    But one of the biggest fluffybunnies in the history of sport.

    And am wondering if "of sport" is necessary in the above sentence.

    Am continually astonished at how much respect he gets. Pretty much any is too much in my opinion.

    And that cunty photo of him with "his" yellow jerseys sum him up.

    Leadership?



  • @booboo said in Lance:

    And that cunty photo of him with "his" yellow jerseys sum him up.

    Well it's difficult to argue that he didn't earn them. When he rode he wasn't the only one doping. Nor was it just his team.

    It's possible to admire the drive and strength to accomplish what he did while acknowledging the repugnant aspects of his personality.



  • @antipodean said in Lance:

    @booboo said in Lance:

    And that cunty photo of him with "his" yellow jerseys sum him up.

    Well it's difficult to argue that he didn't earn them. When he rode he wasn't the only one doping. Nor was it just his team.

    It's possible to admire the drive and strength to accomplish what he did while acknowledging the repugnant aspects of his personality.

    I can't bring myself to admire any part of the man



  • @booboo said in Lance:

    @antipodean said in Lance:

    @booboo said in Lance:

    And that cunty photo of him with "his" yellow jerseys sum him up.

    Well it's difficult to argue that he didn't earn them. When he rode he wasn't the only one doping. Nor was it just his team.

    It's possible to admire the drive and strength to accomplish what he did while acknowledging the repugnant aspects of his personality.

    I can't bring myself to admire any part of the man

    me too, he's just a scumbag. why should other people also doing the wrong thing be a justification for this piece of shit?
    as for earning his wins: no he didn't. he broke the rules and was caught, so by definition he didn't actually win. how can you earn something that you haven't actually achieved? what he has earned is all the vitriol that comes his way.



  • @reprobate said in Lance:

    me too, he's just a scumbag. why should other people also doing the wrong thing be a justification for this piece of shit?
    as for earning his wins: no he didn't. he broke the rules and was caught, so by definition he didn't actually win. how can you earn something that you haven't actually achieved? what he has earned is all the vitriol that comes his way.

    You're pretty hardcore, adn I respect that. I've stopped watching a lot of the olympics, because I don't know who's clean and who's not any more. That said, there's always shades of grey (Smith/Warner+Sandpaper; NZ (and every other team) with sharpened bottle caps and other bits).

    This is a few years old, but well worth a read. Comment on Usain Bolt that makes you really question his capability. It's a bit Lance like - to believe that he is suddenly got so much faster than everyone else who dope requires genuinely rose tinted glasses. It's sobering, but interesting.

    https://medium.com/@tomnew/usain-bolt-lance-armstrong-and-the-duck-test-303b7b891e7e



  • @nzzp that was a good read, thanks.



  • He robbed clean, hard-working riders of wins. He cheated and lied. A disguisting human being



  • @sparky said in Lance:

    He robbed clean, hard-working riders of wins. He cheated and lied. A disguisting human being

    Who were the clean ones?



  • @Hooroo said in Lance:

    @sparky said in Lance:

    He robbed clean, hard-working riders of wins. He cheated and lied. A disguisting human being

    Who were the clean ones?

    the ones at the back of the pack 🙂

    There was an irish rider who got picked up for doping a few years back. He copped to it, and bascially said 'if I don't dope, I can't compete ... i'm mid pack with doping, and I have to or I'm out of this sport'


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