AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?



  • @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @antipodean yuuuuuck

    You DMac fanbois...



  • @Bones Will Tucker may eventually be an All Black but needs more gametime at Mitre 10 and Super level.



  • @antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @antipodean yuuuuuck

    You DMac fanbois...

    You could be onto something - if there's going to be a "bolter" I reckon it'll be Faiane (in the backs). Proper 2nd/5, accurate on defence, likes to put his outsides away, deft boot and his style looks like it'd suit test rugby.

    Edit: Ennor can try again next year though.



  • North v South maybe as close as it gets
    Looks more and more like no tests this year .

    Mitre 10 cup maybe all we will have after SR this season.



  • @Chris said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    North v South maybe as close as it gets
    Looks more and more like no tests this year .

    Mitre 10 cup maybe all we will have after SR this season.

    Yes, unless opposition agree to enter quarantine, sanctioned by the government



  • @Chris said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    North v South maybe as close as it gets
    Looks more and more like no tests this year .

    Mitre 10 cup maybe all we will have after SR this season.

    There are going to be dozens of Rugby Tests later in the year in the UK where over 45,000+ people died with COVID-19.

    It will look totally inept if NZR/ the New Zealand can't negotiate the ABs involvement in one Test this year.



  • @sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    As the days tick down to Ian Foster's first All Blacks squad naming on August 30 there is no shortage of selection debates. The loose forwards, where Lachlan Boshier and Dalton Papalii continue to shine, and outside backs, with rookie Blues wing Caleb Clarke leading the charge, will be hotly contested among the 35 man squad.

    Props: Moody, Tu'inukuafe, Laulala, Tu'ungafasi, Lomax, Hodgman
    Hookers: Taylor, Coles, Aumua
    Locks: S Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Parkinson, Cowley-Tuioti
    Back Row: Cane (c), Savea, Frizell, Grace, A Ioane, Papali'i, Sotutu (Bolshier if Grace, Papali'i or Sotutu still injured).
    Half Backs: A Smith, Perenera, Drummond
    First Five: Beauden Barrett, Mo'unga
    Midfield: ALB, Goodhue, R Ioane, Ennor
    Back Three: C Clarke, Reece, Jordan, J Barrett, Bridge, McKenzie

    That forward pack covers the bases, but might need to lose a loosie.

    I'd like to see ALB and TJ Faiane picked at 12 and Goodhue and PUJ at 13.

    Then Roane, Reece, Clarke and Jordan on wing, with Jordie and DMac at back.

    Hard on Bridge, but for me it's him OR Jordan at this stage. Ennor also knocking at door.



  • @pakman I don't see the point in DMac, but I can see they might select him in the hopes they can get him right. Unless he covers third halfback....

    Ennor has had a pretty forgettable SRA. Roane is his immediate competition and has proven far more capable. Remember when he was carving up super rugby as a wing, with Goodhue carving up at centre? Yeah seems Robertson forgot.



  • @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @pakman I don't see the point in DMac, but I can see they might select him in the hopes they can get him right. Unless he covers third halfback....

    Ennor has had a pretty forgettable SRA. Roane is his immediate competition and has proven far more capable. Remember when he was carving up super rugby as a wing, with Goodhue carving up at centre? Yeah seems Robertson forgot.

    Good case for Bridge over DMac, but I'm guessing they'll look to inject some X-factor.



  • @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    I don't see the point in DMac, but I can see they might select him in the hopes they can get him right

    Selection isn't objective, every rugby fan has a bias towards a team they support. Do you think Foster cheers for the Chiefs?
    I fully expect some close calls to fall the way of Chiefs players. DMac makes it and I can't see Boshier missing out (he's probably competing with Papali'i for a spot)

    Not a criticism of Foster I would have said a similar thing if Robertson was coach. It's unavoidable.



  • I think every squad people post should be prefixed with either 'what I'd pick' versus 'what will be picked' often a big difference. We've got a coach who got in on a ‘continuity and experience’ ticket, I can see him picking a ‘continuity and experience’ team - recently the ABs coaches went for form rather than experience. Maybe that didn’t work so well at RWC in their minds. Expecially after many years of trusting experience did so well for them? So I think we will see very conservative selections, but I hope they are bold



  • @Machpants On the other hand wasn't a huge part of Foster's pitch that he is going to bring a fresh new approach as head coach than what he was as an assistant coach (whilst surrounded by a new coaching staff)?



  • @Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    I don't see the point in DMac, but I can see they might select him in the hopes they can get him right

    Selection isn't objective, every rugby fan has a bias towards a team they support. Do you think Foster cheers for the Chiefs?
    I fully expect some close calls to fall the way of Chiefs players. DMac makes it and I can't see Boshier missing out (he's probably competing with Papali'i for a spot)

    Not a criticism of Foster I would have said a similar thing if Robertson was coach. It's unavoidable.

    Tell me about it. I'm still clinging to the hope that Vaea Fifita can add some more test appearances this year.



  • @sparky

    I think there is a lot more Covid activity ramping up in Australia that will be the determining factor, and if New Zealand and Australia want to emilate that sort of UK carnage.



  • @pakman said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @pakman I don't see the point in DMac, but I can see they might select him in the hopes they can get him right. Unless he covers third halfback....

    Ennor has had a pretty forgettable SRA. Roane is his immediate competition and has proven far more capable. Remember when he was carving up super rugby as a wing, with Goodhue carving up at centre? Yeah seems Robertson forgot.

    Good case for Bridge over DMac, but I'm guessing they'll look to inject some X-factor.

    Does X-factor mean heart palpitations? If DMac makes the squad on current form, All Black jerseys are forever cheapened.



  • From The Australian today (paywall but see the crux of it below)

    Although New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has dismissed the prospect of a trans-Tasman bubble starting anytime soon, Rugby Australia officials are still pressing ahead with plans that will see the Wallabies and All Blacks play their four scheduled Tests after periods of self-isolation.
    
    Ardern said on Monday Australia’s coronavirus community transmission levels, heavily influenced by the new outbreak in Victoria, were too high to contemplate opening the borders. Open borders would have been very much Option A as far as the Bledisloe Cup series was concerned, but officials on both sides of the Tasman are still proceeding with what they consider an acceptable Option B.
    
    That would entail the All Blacks going into a New Zealand Warriors-style quarantine – the Kiwis did their two-week isolation in a bubble at Tamworth ahead of the NRL competition – before the October 10 Test in either Sydney or Perth and the October 17 Test in Brisbane.
    
    Almost immediately, the Wallabies would have to fly to NZ to be there for two weeks before playing the All Blacks in the remaining two Tests on November 7 and 14. Unless the pandemic has eased sufficiently for the borders to be open by that time, the Wallabies would locate somewhere where they could access their hotel, training field and gym all within a controlled “clean” environment.
    

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/no-bubble-but-bledisloe-cup-series-still-expected-to-be-no-trouble/news-story/7326408687f73a334bee9b6616144180



  • @KiwiMurph The presumption in Wayne Smith's article is QLD doesn't shut the border.

    BTW imagine being stuck in Tamworth for two weeks.
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  • @antipodean If that happens Aus would look at 2 games in Sydney I imagine.



  • @Chris said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @sparky

    I think there is a lot more Covid activity ramping up in Australia that will be the determining factor, and if New Zealand and Australia want to emilate that sort of UK carnage.

    No full travel bubble is necessary. Players should do quarantine, but with government help in the form of regular testing and being given a place to quarantine where they can train. The model is the arrangements that were put in place for the West Indies Cricket team to play in England.



  • Or the Ozzies play them all over here, only they quarantine (their country fucked up, not ours) and we can have full crowds.



  • @Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    Or the Ozzies play them all over here, only they quarantine (their country fucked up, not ours) and we can have full crowds.

    If they can share revenue then that could be an option.

    I think RA would rather have two games here (one in Bris, one in Syd perhaps) so at least they can pull in some cash.



  • @antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @antipodean yuuuuuck

    You DMac fanbois...

    Agree. He is making way too many mistakes to be an AB this year.



  • @Tim Is he eligible. I think he is one of the best eights out there.



  • @broughie said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Tim Is he eligible. I think he is one of the best eights out there.

    He's been terrible most of SRA - only really coming right this weekend.



  • @Nepia not from what I have seen but each to their own. Remember he is playing for the lowly Chiefs.



  • @broughie said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Nepia not from what I have seen but each to their own. Remember he is playing for the lowly Chiefs.

    Terrible might have been an overstatement on my part, I think he's been busy but not really effective, but I don't think he's up in the same bracket as Sotutu, MMT and Akira. He was good on Saturday though.



  • @barbarian said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    Or the Ozzies play them all over here, only they quarantine (their country fucked up, not ours) and we can have full crowds.

    If they can share revenue then that could be an option.

    I think RA would rather have two games here (one in Bris, one in Syd perhaps) so at least they can pull in some cash.

    Two full houses in Parramatta and Suncorp would be a big help.



  • @Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    Or the Ozzies play them all over here, only they quarantine (their country fucked up, not ours) and we can have full crowds.

    An option to look at, but Rugby Australia and the Auatralian government may want a game over there. Negotiations involve compromise.

    The All Blacks are arguably NZ's best brand. That brand will be massively hit by 18 months of inaction.





  • @Tim Shame ESPN don't count dominant tackles. Sam Cane's stats there must be really impressive.



  • @Tim bit of PR work from NZRU HQ never hurts aye...



  • @sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    Or the Ozzies play them all over here, only they quarantine (their country fucked up, not ours) and we can have full crowds.

    An option to look at, but Rugby Australia and the Auatralian government may want a game over there. Negotiations involve compromise.

    The All Blacks are arguably NZ's best brand. That brand will be massively hit by 18 months of inaction.

    Or we see what happens when you make something scarce that people want to see, the value and interest goes up.

    See SRA for example, first week a large part of the interest was seeing rugby again and getting out of the house, people stayed because the rugby was good.

    Part of what has been causing people to drift away from Rugby was the same games, against the same teams, over and over again.

    If the next AB teams oversears was after a two year gap, it would be a sellout, no matter where it was. 100 years building the brand, and sustained success, doesn't disappear in 18months.



  • 'He is one of the hardest hitters out there' - The players explain what fans don't get about Sam Cane's game

    @Tim The fans get that, a bunch of us were trying to remind Hansen of that in November last year to no avail.



  • @Nepia

    I was yelling it from the stands after about 5 minutes.



  • @gt12 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Nepia

    I was yelling it from the stands after about 5 minutes.

    It took him another 35 minutes to listen to you unfortunately.



  • @Kirwan It must be a long time since there were empty seats for an AB test in UK or France or a major game in NZ.

    To me, it is a question of ambition. We used to hear the ABs wanted to be the biggest brand in global sport. Manchester United are about to spend £100 million on a single player. The IPL is moving en masse to UAE.

    Arranging a couple of All Blacks Test is easy by conparison.



  • @sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Kirwan It must be a long time since there were empty seats for an AB test in UK or France or a major game in NZ.

    To me, it is a question of ambition. We used to hear the ABs wanted to be the biggest brand in global sport. Manchester United are about to spend £100 million on a single player. The IPL is moving en masse to UAE.

    Arranging a couple of All Blacks Test is easy by conparison.

    The All Blacks are never going to be the world's biggest sporting brand

    What has Man U making another bad transfer got to do with anything?

    What has a sporting comp run by people who only care about their own money, moving their tournament to a country that doesn't care about people, got to do with anything?

    The AB brand will neither grow with a couple of tests against Australia, nor shrink without a couple of tests against Australia.



  • If the Bledisloe goes ahead it will basically be a full year since either team has played.

    Both teams with new coaches.

    Both teams with presumably a decent camp to prepare.

    Sounds fun.



  • @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    If the Bledisloe goes ahead it will basically be a full year since either team has played.

    Both teams with new coaches.

    Both teams with presumably a decent camp to prepare.

    Sounds fun.

    of course it does. and we'll watch the shit out of it, if it happens

    a few pretty serious hurdles to overcome.

    If the Wallabies are allowed in to NZ, does that mean those two Warriors players are too?



  • @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    If the Bledisloe goes ahead it will basically be a full year since either team has played.

    Both teams with new coaches.

    Both teams with presumably a decent camp to prepare.

    Sounds fun.

    Good advertising opportunity too. If you were born the last time Australia held the Bledisloe, you're eligible to drink and vote this year!


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