Blues v Chiefs



  • i can live with the call at the end sometimes calls go your way, other days you dont get them. lot easier to take than last week where TMO didnt know the rules, this week we just weren't good enough.



  • @Kirwan Definitely, and we'd be putting sides ike the Chiefs away with ease IF we could make these small adjustments, but hey, why am I moaning, we've literally won more local derbies this year then we have in the last 5 years!



  • @African-Monkey thing is we could say same things. DMac throws good pass,find touch ,QT catches the ball etc and its a good win



  • @ploughboy Yup fair. I still stand by what I say though haha.



  • As irritated as Chiefs supporters may be by the final penalty, the first try was a disgraceful abrogation of Pickerill's application of the laws.

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  • @antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:

    As irritated as Chiefs supporters may be by the final penalty, the first try was a disgraceful abrogation of Pickerill's application of the laws.

    That looked so obvious to me when watching the game.



  • @Bovidae said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:

    As irritated as Chiefs supporters may be by the final penalty, the first try was a disgraceful abrogation of Pickerill's application of the laws.

    That looked so obvious to me when watching the game.

    It was obvious but had no effect - if a defender was taken out, I would have more sympathy, but he went so early and got his timing so wrong that it literally had zero impact.



  • That’s five in a row for the Blues at Eden Park.



  • @Bovidae said in Blues v Chiefs:

    I'm fucked off NZR haven't activated Sports Ears for SRA because I like to know what the penalties are for and to hear the communication between the ref and ARs.

    I usually have Radio Sport (or whatever it is called nowadays) on, when I go to a game. Sometimes you can hear the ref via the radio, or at least you have the radio commentary that explains what's happening.



  • What’s the prognosis on Alaimalo?



  • @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Chiefs:

    What’s the prognosis on Alaimalo?

    Flattened by an unnecessary shot.

    It’s been a bugbear of mine for a long time. Players diving late on a try scorer or sliding in at them.
    Always carries a high risk of injury.



  • @Crucial do we know how bad the injury is? I reckon he may have been a shot for the North / South match.



  • @Crucial said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Chiefs:

    What’s the prognosis on Alaimalo?

    Flattened by an unnecessary shot.

    It’s been a bugbear of mine for a long time. Players diving late on a try scorer or sliding in at them.
    Always carries a high risk of injury.

    He tripped, wasn’t a cynical dive in this instance.



  • @Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @nzzp said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @nzzp said in Blues v Chiefs:

    Still no idea what BP pulled out of his arse at the end there,

    Newshub say:
    They seemed to have achieved that in the dying moments, when No.8 Pita Gus Sowakula dove for the line, but was ruled to have knocked on and the Blues won a clearing penalty.

    Well that’s the end of the complaints then, doesn’t matter what’s happened after the knock on.

    Good defence.

    Not releasing the player is the first offence. I couldn’t see any obvious knock on.
    The ruling was holding on so Newshub have no idea.



  • @Crucial said in Blues v Chiefs:

    > Newshub have no idea.

    it's easier if you shorten it

    seriously, though, I haven't seen a knock on, but to be honest I can't see anything in the footage and BP was pretty clear. You'd have to be sure as a ref, to turn a game on a call like that. It's just annoying that after a tussle like that we're talking about one refs call rather than rugby 😐



  • @Crucial yea it was totally unnecessary, the try was going to be scored, although I dont think it was anything cynical or malicious either, just clumsy and pointless.



  • @taniwharugby and another example of how that happens all the time without being pinged- and usually there are no effects either. It's just really unlucky, and sad for Alaimalo



  • @nzzp yup, players get pinged if they dive on someone in general play like that but is ok over the try line.



  • @taniwharugby said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @nzzp yup, players get pinged if they dive on someone in general play like that but is ok over the try line.

    yep, but the context is different. Try scoring can involve weird body positions and contacts as you try and stop the ball getting grounded - or position for loose/dropped balls. Players commit hard as it's the last thing that happens, and post-scoring contact will happen.

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  • There is a certain irony in yesterday afternoons cliff hanger.
    Running along the end of Waikato Stadium is a wonderful wall mural recording Waikato and Chiefs history.On this wall is a page on the Chiefs which recalls the successful 2012/13 years. It mentions the coaches Rennie and Smith,which of course is correct,but omits the forwards coach ,the very unsung Tom Coventry.That he has helped coach the Blues forwards in their latest victories over his former team is probably worthy of mention.



  • @nzzp I'd say there are a fair number that just dive needlessly, fortunately the majority of these end with no injury, but yesterday showed how a clumsy act can result in injury.



  • @ACT-Crusader shoulder subluxation



  • @taniwharugby said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @nzzp I'd say there are a fair number that just dive needlessly

    If I track back 50 m, I'm goddamn diving. Not doing all that work for nothing.

    Also, I'm a prop.

    Also, check out Larry Allan. Dude weighs 150kg or so for context. Massive.



  • @junior said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @Bovidae said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:

    As irritated as Chiefs supporters may be by the final penalty, the first try was a disgraceful abrogation of Pickerill's application of the laws.

    That looked so obvious to me when watching the game.

    It was obvious but had no effect - if a defender was taken out, I would have more sympathy, but he went so early and got his timing so wrong that it literally had zero impact.

    Sure it might be a technical penalty but no different to a player (e.g., 1st 5) being within 10 m of a lineout, and being rightly free-kicked.



  • @Stargazer

    Sports Ears gives you 3 options:

    (1) Refs
    (2) TV commentary/Refs
    (3) TV commentary

    I always use option 1. Only available for SR and AB tests.



  • @Bovidae said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @junior said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @Bovidae said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:

    As irritated as Chiefs supporters may be by the final penalty, the first try was a disgraceful abrogation of Pickerill's application of the laws.

    That looked so obvious to me when watching the game.

    It was obvious but had no effect - if a defender was taken out, I would have more sympathy, but he went so early and got his timing so wrong that it literally had zero impact.

    Sure it might be a technical penalty but no different to a player (e.g., 1st 5) being within 10 m of a lineout, and being rightly free-kicked.

    'Zero effect' isn't quite true either.
    He is a decoy runner. You only run a decoy to have an effect. While there may not be any physical obstruction, he drew the attention of defenders while in an illegal position. That look and hesitation can be all that is needed to create a half gap.
    If you look at that photo that was posted you can also see that the runner hesitates to stay available for a pass right on the advantage line. That certainly draws more attention than coming from well behind when defenders know they have time to react to what is in front of them.



  • @Bovidae Yes, I know, but if Sports Ears isn't available, than radio commentary is better than nothing.



  • @trodthesod said in Blues v Chiefs:

    There is a certain irony in yesterday afternoons cliff hanger.
    Running along the end of Waikato Stadium is a wonderful wall mural recording Waikato and Chiefs history.On this wall is a page on the Chiefs which recalls the successful 2012/13 years. It mentions the coaches Rennie and Smith,which of course is correct,but omits the forwards coach ,the very unsung Tom Coventry.That he has helped coach the Blues forwards in their latest victories over his former team is probably worthy of mention.

    The biggest turnaround in 2012 to the previous regime was the performance of the set piece, and the Chiefs becoming accurate at ruck time. it was noticeable from about Round 3 that the team had changed significantly



  • NZ referee boss Bryce Lawrence said in an interview on newshub that Pickerill made the wrong call as Goodhue was off his feet. Twice in two weeks.



  • @Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:

    NZ referee boss Bryce Lawrence said in an interview on newshub that Pickerill made the wrong call as Goodhue was off his feet. Twice in two weeks.

    if the two muppets hadn't completely fucked up the Cruden cross kick it wouldn't matter.



  • But Pickerell will continue to be named as a ref in SRA. He needs to take his L plates back to club rugby.



  • @Bovidae he's been named AR in Highlanders v Blues this weekend.



  • @Yeetyaah They do fuck all apart from putting up a flag occasionally. So beware for next week.



  • @Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:

    NZ referee boss Bryce Lawrence said in an interview on newshub that Pickerill made the wrong call as Goodhue was off his feet. Twice in two weeks.

    Didn't he mean Kaleb Trask was off the ground when he was tackled after a botched blues defensive lineout immediately after a yc warning. Tackled in the air, yc handed out right under the sticks.

    I thought that was the most galling forsaking of the laws, of the many on display.

    Full credit to the players giving us a decent finish in spite of a woeful game of refereeing.



  • @Yeetyaah did they show that angle?

    I didnt see any other angles, but it certainly appeared something not quite legal must have happened under there.



  • Good article with sense from Leon



  • @taniwharugby on newshub they did, dunno why there isn't an article posted yet. He had a knee on the ground.



  • To my eyes the ball was short,but Goodhue off his feet so another penalty.Sad to say these incorrect calls at this part of the game are common place,players not supporting their bodies,but the human error factor of referees unfortunately cost teams big time.
    Really all you can say is bad luck Chiefs for two weeks on end ,.....beat the Crusaders next week and hopefully all will be forgotten!



  • Funny how the laws have changed,Back in the day hands weren’t allowed in the rucks and now no rucking allowed.That last charge at the line yesterday by the Chiefs in older days would have had skin flying in all directions,finishing up with an all in brawl.A very sedate game now at breakdown!



  • Just been watching the game. At the ground, it seemed like the Blues got the poo end of the stick pretty frequently. Re-watching, it's just as brutal ...some weird interpretations about supporting bodyweight, not rolling, etc. It's just a bit frustrating really.

    You know the ref has been average when both sets of fans are grizzling.


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