Blues v Chiefs



  • There is a certain irony in yesterday afternoons cliff hanger.
    Running along the end of Waikato Stadium is a wonderful wall mural recording Waikato and Chiefs history.On this wall is a page on the Chiefs which recalls the successful 2012/13 years. It mentions the coaches Rennie and Smith,which of course is correct,but omits the forwards coach ,the very unsung Tom Coventry.That he has helped coach the Blues forwards in their latest victories over his former team is probably worthy of mention.



  • @nzzp I'd say there are a fair number that just dive needlessly, fortunately the majority of these end with no injury, but yesterday showed how a clumsy act can result in injury.



  • @ACT-Crusader shoulder subluxation



  • @taniwharugby said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @nzzp I'd say there are a fair number that just dive needlessly

    If I track back 50 m, I'm goddamn diving. Not doing all that work for nothing.

    Also, I'm a prop.

    Also, check out Larry Allan. Dude weighs 150kg or so for context. Massive.



  • @junior said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @Bovidae said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:

    As irritated as Chiefs supporters may be by the final penalty, the first try was a disgraceful abrogation of Pickerill's application of the laws.

    That looked so obvious to me when watching the game.

    It was obvious but had no effect - if a defender was taken out, I would have more sympathy, but he went so early and got his timing so wrong that it literally had zero impact.

    Sure it might be a technical penalty but no different to a player (e.g., 1st 5) being within 10 m of a lineout, and being rightly free-kicked.



  • @Stargazer

    Sports Ears gives you 3 options:

    (1) Refs
    (2) TV commentary/Refs
    (3) TV commentary

    I always use option 1. Only available for SR and AB tests.



  • @Bovidae said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @junior said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @Bovidae said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:

    As irritated as Chiefs supporters may be by the final penalty, the first try was a disgraceful abrogation of Pickerill's application of the laws.

    That looked so obvious to me when watching the game.

    It was obvious but had no effect - if a defender was taken out, I would have more sympathy, but he went so early and got his timing so wrong that it literally had zero impact.

    Sure it might be a technical penalty but no different to a player (e.g., 1st 5) being within 10 m of a lineout, and being rightly free-kicked.

    'Zero effect' isn't quite true either.
    He is a decoy runner. You only run a decoy to have an effect. While there may not be any physical obstruction, he drew the attention of defenders while in an illegal position. That look and hesitation can be all that is needed to create a half gap.
    If you look at that photo that was posted you can also see that the runner hesitates to stay available for a pass right on the advantage line. That certainly draws more attention than coming from well behind when defenders know they have time to react to what is in front of them.



  • @Bovidae Yes, I know, but if Sports Ears isn't available, than radio commentary is better than nothing.



  • @trodthesod said in Blues v Chiefs:

    There is a certain irony in yesterday afternoons cliff hanger.
    Running along the end of Waikato Stadium is a wonderful wall mural recording Waikato and Chiefs history.On this wall is a page on the Chiefs which recalls the successful 2012/13 years. It mentions the coaches Rennie and Smith,which of course is correct,but omits the forwards coach ,the very unsung Tom Coventry.That he has helped coach the Blues forwards in their latest victories over his former team is probably worthy of mention.

    The biggest turnaround in 2012 to the previous regime was the performance of the set piece, and the Chiefs becoming accurate at ruck time. it was noticeable from about Round 3 that the team had changed significantly



  • NZ referee boss Bryce Lawrence said in an interview on newshub that Pickerill made the wrong call as Goodhue was off his feet. Twice in two weeks.



  • @Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:

    NZ referee boss Bryce Lawrence said in an interview on newshub that Pickerill made the wrong call as Goodhue was off his feet. Twice in two weeks.

    if the two muppets hadn't completely fucked up the Cruden cross kick it wouldn't matter.



  • But Pickerell will continue to be named as a ref in SRA. He needs to take his L plates back to club rugby.



  • @Bovidae he's been named AR in Highlanders v Blues this weekend.



  • @Yeetyaah They do fuck all apart from putting up a flag occasionally. So beware for next week.



  • @Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:

    NZ referee boss Bryce Lawrence said in an interview on newshub that Pickerill made the wrong call as Goodhue was off his feet. Twice in two weeks.

    Didn't he mean Kaleb Trask was off the ground when he was tackled after a botched blues defensive lineout immediately after a yc warning. Tackled in the air, yc handed out right under the sticks.

    I thought that was the most galling forsaking of the laws, of the many on display.

    Full credit to the players giving us a decent finish in spite of a woeful game of refereeing.



  • @Yeetyaah did they show that angle?

    I didnt see any other angles, but it certainly appeared something not quite legal must have happened under there.



  • Good article with sense from Leon



  • @taniwharugby on newshub they did, dunno why there isn't an article posted yet. He had a knee on the ground.



  • To my eyes the ball was short,but Goodhue off his feet so another penalty.Sad to say these incorrect calls at this part of the game are common place,players not supporting their bodies,but the human error factor of referees unfortunately cost teams big time.
    Really all you can say is bad luck Chiefs for two weeks on end ,.....beat the Crusaders next week and hopefully all will be forgotten!



  • Funny how the laws have changed,Back in the day hands weren’t allowed in the rucks and now no rucking allowed.That last charge at the line yesterday by the Chiefs in older days would have had skin flying in all directions,finishing up with an all in brawl.A very sedate game now at breakdown!



  • Just been watching the game. At the ground, it seemed like the Blues got the poo end of the stick pretty frequently. Re-watching, it's just as brutal ...some weird interpretations about supporting bodyweight, not rolling, etc. It's just a bit frustrating really.

    You know the ref has been average when both sets of fans are grizzling.



  • @nzzp orrrrr....it's the blues and a team that's lost 7 on the trot πŸ˜ƒ



  • @Bones said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @nzzp orrrrr....it's the blues and a team that's lost 7 on the trot πŸ˜ƒ

    yeah, the last call was baffling, but given what led up to it my sympathy levels have drastically reduced.

    As @tim said I think - suck it up and get better πŸ™‚



  • 15 - 6 favourable penalty count and still whining about it.



  • @Tim said in Blues v Chiefs:

    15 - 6 favourable penalty count and still whining about it.

    Half back



  • @Tim Lol if the Blues fans/players considered moaning about the refs over the last 5-10 years people would just laugh at us



  • @African-Monkey said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @Tim Lol if the Blues fans/players considered moaning about the refs over the last 5-10 years people would just laugh at us

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  • @African-Monkey there have been some horror calls over the years



  • @nzzp Yeah, and that never happened to other teams. πŸ™„



  • @African-Monkey said in Blues v Chiefs:

    Lol if the Blues fans/players considered moaning about the refs over the last 5-10 years people would just laugh at us

    they did, and they did.

    Question is, did the Chiefs moan as much before Gats πŸ˜‰



  • @taniwharugby said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @African-Monkey said in Blues v Chiefs:

    Lol if the Blues fans/players considered moaning about the refs over the last 5-10 years people would just laugh at us

    they did, and they did.

    Question is, did the Chiefs moan as much before Gats πŸ˜‰

    @Virgil would be destroying a TV every week if he was a Chiefs fan under the Gatland regime.



  • @Donsteppa said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @taniwharugby said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @African-Monkey said in Blues v Chiefs:

    Lol if the Blues fans/players considered moaning about the refs over the last 5-10 years people would just laugh at us

    they did, and they did.

    Question is, did the Chiefs moan as much before Gats πŸ˜‰

    @Virgil would be destroying a TV every week if he was a Chiefs fan under the Gatland regime.

    With tears?



  • @Machpants
    Rainbow shoelaces.



  • A few thoughts after a rewatch.
    GCT had a very good game but he is pretty similar to Patrick Tuipolutu. They are not complementary at all. With Robinson out with injury, the Blues don't try to disrupt the opposition's lineout as they did in the first round of the competition. So, despite their small size, the Chiefs forwards won their own throws and put a lot of pressure on their Blues opponents, thanks to the quality of their possession. Maybe it is time to try another combination. Pierce fared very well during the SA tour. He is a tall guy who can jump. He has to be given his chance.



  • On subject of reffing, ALB pass for Alaimalo try was forward. 🧐



  • @pakman Karma for Chiefs must be everything going their way and taking out Chch next week!



  • @pakman said in Blues v Chiefs:

    On subject of reffing, ALB pass for Alaimalo try was forward. 🧐

    I think the TV misleads - I thought the same thing , but once you look a tthe angles it looked clearly backwards.

    The BB pass called forward, on the other hand, drifted forward in the air...



  • @nzzp said in Blues v Chiefs:

    @pakman said in Blues v Chiefs:

    On subject of reffing, ALB pass for Alaimalo try was forward. 🧐

    I think the TV misleads - I thought the same thing , but once you look a tthe angles it looked clearly backwards.

    The BB pass called forward, on the other hand, drifted forward in the air...

    I’ll take another look. The BB pass had swerve on it β€” thrown backwards but as pass started to come down swerved forwards. Dud call.



  • @cgrant said in Blues v Chiefs:

    A few thoughts after a rewatch.
    GCT had a very good game but he is pretty similar to Patrick Tuipolutu. They are not complementary at all. With Robinson out with injury, the Blues don't try to disrupt the opposition's lineout as they did in the first round of the competition. So, despite their small size, the Chiefs forwards won their own throws and put a lot of pressure on their Blues opponents, thanks to the quality of their possession. Maybe it is time to try another combination. Pierce fared very well during the SA tour. He is a tall guy who can jump. He has to be given his chance.

    I thought GCT stole at least one line out, and was good value generally.



  • There are plenty of incidents in this game that you could question Pickerill and his ARs. Trask was clearly tackled in the air catching a high kick but the Blues player wasn't penalised.


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