Los Pumas 2020



  • List of Pumas players to travel to Australia (media release from 2 October 2020) :

    1 Albornoz, Tomás

    2 Alemanno, Matías

    3 Bertranou, Gonzalo

    4 Boffelli, Emiliano

    5 Bosch, Facundo

    6 Bruni, Rodrigo

    7 Calás, Ignacio

    8 Calles, Ignacio

    9 Cancelliere, Sebastián

    10 Carreras, Santiago

    11 Chocobares, Santiago

    12 Cinti, Lucio

    13 Cordero, Santiago

    14 Cubelli, Tomás

    15 De la Fuente, Jerónimo

    16 Delguy, Bautista

    17 Díaz Bonilla, Joaquín

    18 Ezcurra, Felipe

    19 Fernández Criado, Rodrigo

    20 González, José Luis

    21 González, Juan Martín

    22 Gorrissen, Francisco

    23 Grondona, Santiago

    24 Imhoff, Juan

    25 Isa, Facundo

    26 Kremer, Marcos

    27 Lezana, Tomás

    28 Mallía, Juan Cruz

    29 Matera, Pablo

    30 Medrano, Santiago

    31 Miotti, Domingo

    32 Montoya, Julián

    33 Moyano, Ramiro

    34 Orlando, Matías

    35 Oviedo, Joaquín

    36 Paulos, Lucas

    37 Petti, Guido

    38 Pieretto, Enrique

    39 Sanchez, Nicolás

    40 Socino, Santiago

    41 Sordoni, Lucio

    42 Tetaz Chaparro, Nahuel

    43 Vivas, Mayco

    44 Wegrzyn, Federico

    45 Zeiss, Juan Pablo

    https://lospumas.com.ar/2020/10/02/lista-confirmada-para-viajar-a-australia/



  • That’s not too bad, I thought they were missing even moe with their positive CV tests, but maybe they’ve recovered.



  • Article about the newbies in the Pumas squad (I've copied the translation by Google translate and only changed some bits, so the English may be a bit weird):

    First tour with Los Pumas for 13 players

    In each call for Los Pumas there are usually names that appear for the first time. With different stories and at different points in their training stage, many of those listed as new faces can become recurring players of the future. We review the profile of those who will have their first tour with Los Pumas in Australia:

    Federico Wegrzyn - 24 years old - Prop
    Trained at Esquel Rugby Club, in the city of the same name, he lived there and played rugby for the first fourteen years of his life, and then moved to Rawson. He played for Bigornia RC and later traveled to New Zealand to have an experience at Otorohanga RC. In 2019, he returned to the country and joined San Luis de La Plata. Later, with the Superliga Americana confirmed for 2020, Ignacio Fernández Lobbe, Head Coach of Ceibos, summoned him to be part of the Argentine squad.

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    2. Ignacio Calles - 24 years old - Prop

    Formed as a backrower in Los Cardos de Tandil, then he became a hooker to integrate Los Pumitas for two consecutive years (2014-2015) and later, Argentina XV. After a stint in the first division of the Naval School, he emigrated to Pau in France.

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    3. José Luis González - 23 years old - Hooker

    One of the tucumanos summoned by Mario Ledesma. The Tucumán Rugby Club hooker has experience in UAR youth teams and was present in Ceibos for the 2020 Superliga Americana.

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    4. Ignacio Calás - 24 years old - Lock

    The lock emerged from La Tablada de Córdoba and in 2019 participated in the conquest of Jaguares XV of the First Division of the Currie Cup. He was part of the Jaguares 2019/2020 preseason squad and in February of this year, he went to Ceibos to play the Superliga Americana.

    5. Rodrigo Fernández Criado - 22 years old - Lock

    The lock started at IPR Sporting de Mar del Plata. In 2019 he moved to Buenos Aires and Belgrano Athletic was the club that sheltered him. He started the 2019/2020 preseason with Jaguares and then joined Ceibos, to play the Superliga Americana.

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    6. Francisco Gorrissen - 26 years old - Loose forward

    With vast experience in Argentina XV, Frankie achieved the crown of the Americas Rugby Championship 2019. Then, as captain of Jaguares XV, the Belgrano Athletic team won the First Division title of the Currie Cup undefeated. He made his debut in Jaguares in the 2019 season, against the Sharks, on June 8.

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    7. Juan Martín González - 19 years old - Loose forward

    Born in 2000, the young Marista was captain of the National Team that was crowned champion at the 2018 Youth Olympic Games, held in Buenos Aires. He was also part of the squad that achieved fourth place in the U20 World Cup in Argentina.

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    8. Lucas Paulos - 22 years old - Lock

    The lock cof 1998 emerged from Olivos Rugby Club completed his training process in Spanish rugby, more precisely at the Majadahonda Rugby Club. He was part of Los Pumitas in 2018 and in 2019, he joined Jaguares.

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    9. Joaquín Oviedo - 19 years old - Loose Forward

    The 19-year-old boy was trained in Córdoba Athletic, like Leonel his brother, a man with experience in Argentina XV and Ceibos. He was part of the 2019 South American U18 champion squad in Uruguay.

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    10. Domingo Miotti - 24 years old - First five-eighth

    He was present in third place with Los Pumitas in the 2016 World Cup, in England. Formed in Tucumán Lawn Tennis, he also integrated several teams from Argentina XV, became champion with Jaguares XV in 2019 and was also part of the 23 Jaguares players who faced Crusaders, in the Super Rugby final.

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    11. Tomás Albornoz - 23 years old - First five-eighth

    He is the second of three brothers from Tucumán Rugby Club. He, from 1997, is a left-handed starter who played the 2017 U20 World Cup with Los Pumitas and who debuted for theJaguares in 2020.

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    12. Santiago Chocobares - 21 years old - Center

    He is a native of Rufino and his training club is Los Pampas, from that city. Then he went to Duendes de Rosario. In 2019 he played the U20 World Cup held in Rosario and Santa Fe, and made his debut for the Jaguares in the last round of the Super Rugby.

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    13. Lucio Cinti - 20 years old - Center / Wing

    Trained in La Plata RC, he has integrated different teams of Los Pumas 7s, a team with which he has played 29 games in five stages of the World Tour. He is also one of the young people who won the gold medal at the Youth Olympic Games and was present at the 2019 U20 World Cup.

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    https://lospumas.com.ar/2020/10/07/primera-gira-con-los-pumas-para-13-jugadores/



  • Also a copied translation by google translate:

    Emiliano Boffelli: «The truth is that the Rugby Championship feels very close»

    Wednesday October 14, 2020

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    In a week of important resolutions regarding the participation of the Springboks in the Personal Rugby Championship, the humid and hot city of Sydney did not prevent Los Pumas from continuing to prepare, in view of the debut on Saturday, November 7, from 3 AM, at the Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane, against South Africa itself. Wednesday's session began with the news of the negative results of the third swab for the entire camp.

    A few hours later, the Leichhardt Oval opened its doors for those led by Mario Ledesma to carry out a high physical load practice, trying to emulate different situations of a normal match.

    In turn, Michael Cheika, an external advisor to Los Pumas, was present again at the team practice, working with his computer in one of the booths located above the stalls

    With 25 years old and a few weeks into his fifth Personal Rugby Championship, Emiliano Boffelli explained how they have been working within the mandatory quarantine and what details they are polishing to get to the beginning of the contest in the best way:

    Feelings of being in Australia: “Very happy to be able to be here once and for all in Sydney. The truth is that the Rugby Championship feels very close. To think that after a long time without being able to play, we come from nothing to being able to play a game and that is great. Being able to be with the boys already in the place where the tournament is going to take place, makes you feel that you are closer every day. Enjoying training a lot, getting in the best possible physical and mental shape.

    On the arrival of the players who come from Europe: “As for the Europeans, they can give us a lot of energy, we are looking forward to them, I really want to meet them again. They can give a lot to the team for the experience, for the mental and for the energy mentioned above ”.

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    On his personal expectations : “Personally, obviously maintaining the level and surpassing myself game after game. In this 2020, I had been feeling very good, playing all the games. That is going to be one of my goals, to try to play as many matches as possible. Earning the position and keep learning, that's key. Year after year I am learning new things and I notice that growth a lot”.

    Adapting to the weather and the schedule: “Luckily, the vast majority of us are already used to the change of schedule, coming to Oceania and what the jet lag is. More or less, you are learning how to fight it. It is a very hot, humid season and we are adapting in all training sessions to get to our debut in the best way possible ”.

    On the game plan : "Regarding the game plan, it is always good to maintain the structure, but what we are trying is to play more rugby and not be structured all the time. Obviously respect that system when you have to restart a movement or the defense of the other team is well placed. It is more a matter of our reading, more freedom in many positions, as is the case of the wing. Now we have a little more freedom to shoot lines, seek play and in defense to be well placed in the first defensive line, occupy spaces, then go up and put pressure ".

    On the confinement: "It is one of the adversities that we have to live with respect to the other teams. It is not an excuse and it is our turn. At this time we get used to going through things like this, to having this type of adversity. We hope that this makes us stronger for the debut in the competition. I see the boys very well. "

    https://lospumas.com.ar/2020/10/14/boffelli-ganarme-el-puesto-y-seguir-aprendiendo-eso-es-clave/



  • Don't care about them. It is only a friendly afterall.



  • There's the makings of a bloody handy side there. Great to see the return of guys like Isa and Bosch too.





  • @Higgins said in Los Pumas 2020:

    Don't care about them. It is only a friendly afterall.

    Ah jaguars for life or what ever your name was. You left a legacy for the ages 🙂



  • Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.

    'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/123561840/pumas-star-pablo-matera-stripped-of-captaincy-after-xenophobic-texts-resurface



  • @nzzp has anyone seen translations of what he said? I only found one article and it just said they were bad



  • @Kiwiwomble I've seen the tweets in Spanish (all from 2012). Quite sexist and racist (towards other South Americans, black people and jews), and sometimes both. Sometimes they were bad jokes, but most of them weren't. I'm not going to post the text here.



  • @Stargazer fair enough, sounds bad



  • @Stargazer said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Kiwiwomble I've seen the tweets in Spanish. Quite sexist and racist (towards other South Americans, black people and jews), and sometimes both. Sometimes they were bad jokes, but most of them weren't. I'm not going to post the text here.

    He's not from Bariloche is he?



  • I'd hate for things I said to people and about people when I was 18 being brought up ten years later.

    Is it news that teenagers say stupid shit?



  • @Kirwan There's a difference between just saying stupid shit and racism (and sexism). When I was 18, I knew what racism was and would never say/write something like that (didn't feel any inclination to, either), but I've been on the receiving end at that age. Age is no excuse here.

    But ... people can change. So digging it up is pathetic.

    If there was any risk of me becoming "famous", I'd just delete my account and start a new one.



  • @Stargazer said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Kirwan There's a difference between just saying stupid shit and racism (and sexism). When I was 18, I knew what racism was and would never say/write something like that (didn't feel any inclination to, either), but I've been on the receiving end at that age. Age is no excuse here.

    People mature, especially from 18 to 28. Judging a person today, for comments made ten years ago is wrong IMO.

    If he's apologised for the comments that should be the end of it.

    Social media mobs are gross.



  • @Kirwan Had edited my post, before you responded. 🙂



  • @Stargazer said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Kirwan Had edited my post, before you responded. 🙂

    Agree more with your edit.

    I'd reccomend that for everybody, even if you aren't famous. Never use your real name (where possible) and ditch the accounts regularly. Never post drunken photos of parties, etc.

    Google search yourself and make sure the results are what you want potential employers to find. And once a year I delete all my old Tweets.



  • @Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Social media

    and that is the problem these guys face today.

    Remember Barnya, he went round deleting all sorts when he was applying for a job.



  • @taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Social media

    and that is the problem these guys face today.

    Remember Barnya, he went round deleting all sorts when he was applying for a job.

    Smart. Changed his username here too 🙂



  • So cool that we never had camera phones or social media in my stupid drinking years



  • @Machpants said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    So cool that we never had camera phones or social media in my stupid drinking years

    This. Times a thousand.



  • I think theres a difference between some old mate having said something in the 60's when it was a hell of a lot easier to be ignorant and someone claiming that even though they probably posted from a smart phone (ie infinite knowledge) they were ignorant in 2012

    that's being said, yes, if he's changed then good, I hope it doesn't escalate too far

    I would have thought a professional sports outfit would have looked at this stuff, especially for a captain



  • @nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.

    'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/123561840/pumas-star-pablo-matera-stripped-of-captaincy-after-xenophobic-texts-resurface

    What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.

    Modern sensibilities suck!



  • @Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.

    'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/123561840/pumas-star-pablo-matera-stripped-of-captaincy-after-xenophobic-texts-resurface

    What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.

    Modern sensibilities suck!

    Sigh.....cancel culture wins again



  • @MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.

    'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/123561840/pumas-star-pablo-matera-stripped-of-captaincy-after-xenophobic-texts-resurface

    What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.

    Modern sensibilities suck!

    Sigh.....cancel culture wins again

    It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?



  • @canefan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.

    'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/123561840/pumas-star-pablo-matera-stripped-of-captaincy-after-xenophobic-texts-resurface

    What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.

    Modern sensibilities suck!

    Sigh.....cancel culture wins again

    It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?

    I think I read he said something about it being a personal message to a friend, an in joke kind of thing



  • @canefan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.

    'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/123561840/pumas-star-pablo-matera-stripped-of-captaincy-after-xenophobic-texts-resurface

    What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.

    Modern sensibilities suck!

    Sigh.....cancel culture wins again

    It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?

    Obviously he didn't call a press conference and cry lots.



  • The problems in the Pumas squad are not just about Matera. Petti and Socino have been suspended, too.

    Argentina have been rocked ahead of the final Tri-Nations Test against the Wallabies after Pablo Matera was removed from his duties as captain.
    
    Matera, as well as two other senior players, lock Guido Petti and hooker Santiago Socino, look set to miss Saturday’s Tri-Nations finale for racist and xenophobic comments made on Twitter in 2011 and 2013.
    
    ‘The Argentine Rugby Union strongly repudiates the discriminatory and xenophobic comments published by members of the Los Pumas team on social networks and, meeting urgently, the board of directors resolves: First, revoke Pablo Matera’s captaincy and request the staff to propose a new captain to the board of directors,’ a directly translated statement read.
    
    ‘Second, suspend Pablo Matera, Guido Petti and Santiago Socino from the national team until their disciplinary situation is defined.’
    
    Matera has taken the tweets down and suspended his Twitter account, but did publish an apology on his Instagram account.
    
    ‘I had a tougher time. I am very ashamed. Apologies to all those who were offended by the atrocities I wrote,’ Matera said.
    

    This quote comes from this article. It's from a media release that has been posted on the Argentinian Rugby Union (UAR) in this Twitter (thread):



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  • @Stargazer goodness me.

    Those tweets better be pretty bad to get suspended 9 years on.

    One of the issues I have about this is - if it's so bad, can't we see his integrity in day to day operations? Those folk have been living cheek and jowl for months; surely someone has seen something in the last 9 years to indicate that he shouldn't be a pro rugby player?

    Cancel culture concerns me.



  • @canefan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.

    'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/123561840/pumas-star-pablo-matera-stripped-of-captaincy-after-xenophobic-texts-resurface

    What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.

    Modern sensibilities suck!

    Sigh.....cancel culture wins again

    It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?

    he and two others are suspended for the game by the sound of it.



  • @nzzp I have read comments from South American journalists, who say they are not surprised at all. Apparently, there is something inherently wrong with the "culture" in Argentinian rugby, the Union in particular. Things that happen and are swept under the carpet. They gave the example of a player beating the crap out of his wive and being allowed to play a week later (not a member of the Pumas squad).

    Of course, I've no way of knowing whether any of that is true.



  • @Kiwiwomble It's way more than a personal message. There are several public tweets, not all bad jokes. I have seen several of them.



  • @canefan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @MN5 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Pablo Matera stripped of captaincy after tweets emerge from 9 years ago... when he was 18. Social media people, it's a minefield.

    'the Fern is my social media' T-shirts please

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/123561840/pumas-star-pablo-matera-stripped-of-captaincy-after-xenophobic-texts-resurface

    What a delicious paradox: Greatest captaincy performance in the history of Puma rugby gets condemned and booted all under the backdrop of Maradona idolation.

    Modern sensibilities suck!

    Sigh.....cancel culture wins again

    It was 8 years ago FFS, and did I read that he'd apologised at the time?

    He didn't apologise at the time. He apologised after someone dug up those tweets and posted screenshots on Twitter (tagging World Rugby and the Argentinian Union). This week, not 8 years ago.

    You have to wonder why that person decided to post those tweets now. I don't think he accidentally found those old tweets; he must have known they existed.



  • @Stargazer said in Los Pumas 2020:

    @Kiwiwomble It's way more than a personal message. There are several public tweets, not all bad jokes. I have seen several of them.

    I should have used an emoji, there was some eye role in someone claiming a tweet was private, the couple I’ve seen are pretty bad and I have limited sympathy



  • Geez

    The Pumas believe racist Pablo Matera tweets resurfaced as retaliation from the Argentinian public for a perceived lack of respect from the team for Diego Maradona.
    
    Sources close to the Argentinian team said on Tuesday they believe the Matera tweets were dug up and shared online to sabotage the team after they'd been the subject of an intense backlash from the Argentinian public for a perceived lack of respect for soccer legend Maradona in the wake of his passing last week.
    
    The Argentinians wore a black armband as a tribute to the late, great 60-year-old but were upstaged by the All Blacks, who laid a No.10 jersey with Maradona's name across it down prior to performing the haka.
    
    The intensity of the response is seen in online comments on the Pumas' social media accounts. An average Pumas post on Instagram draws about 100 comments, but in the 72 hours since the 38-0 drubbing at the hands of the All Blacks, that number was well into the thousands.
    
    Almost all of those additional comments slammed the Pumas for their perceived lack of respect towards Maradona, and the backlash was so intense that Matera issued a three-minute apology video alongside the entire Argentinian squad from the team's hotel on Monday night.
    
    "If both Diego did for you as we know and represents so much that the tribute is a piece of insulating tape on the arm, it is obviously a lack of respect," one top-rated comment read.
    
    "Do the homage on the (field). Where it should be. They had to receive the rejection of all Argentina to realize their error," said another.
    

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/pumas-believe-maradona-backlash-behind-racist-tweets-storm-20201201-p56jol.html



  • hang on, don't tell me this is partially because the ABs went one better? Los Pumas were upstaged?
    I don't agree with racism, via twitter or whatever, but someone must have a bitter dose of revenge to go after Matera now.



  • Not sure that there is really much different that Argentinian RU could do. They had to condemn the tweets and Matera, and once they did that if they took zero action it would risk ringing pretty hollow. I get the discretions of your youth stuff and all but plenty of youths pay a much steeper price than that for their errors. I don't see losing the captain's armband as being that steep a price.



  • If you can believe what you see on social media, people stating what he allegedly said, sounds almost as bad as it can be.

    Given he has been part of the Pumas set up for near a decade, surely if he still has these thoughts, it would have surfaced before now.

    Seems a bit rough being punished so severely for things he said when he was 18, but the world is a different place now, so Argentina Rugby was in a tough position.


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