Mouthguards



  • I think this is poor form, I notice a number of players ABs and Super rugby dont seem to wear them, does set a poor example for kids who have to wear them and are told they will be be sent off the field if they are not wearing them.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/123361573/nz-rugby-incredibly-disappointed-with-ardie-savea-still-not-wearing-mouthguard



  • @taniwharugby 100%...just repeating your disappoint isn't enough, i thought it was a rule



  • Savea is a serial offender. My father was speaking to Ian Foster at the local supermarket, and asked him this exact question about Ardie. He said they should be wearing mouthguards, but obviously aren't and it isn't enforced.

    There is a simple solution. The ref makes sure all players have mouthguards. If they don't, they can't take the field. That's the rule with shinguards and football.



  • im older than all these guys and we always grew up wearing them so i have very little tolerance for claims of ignorance



  • Wasn't there a mention in the commentary during the game that they overheard the ref saying something about a mouthguard?



  • @Bovidae said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    The ref makes sure all players have mouthguards. If they don't, they can't take the field.

    thats how it is for us plebs

    Refs are quite strict on kids (unsure at senior rugby) when they do the boot check, kids have to show they have a mouhtguard and are told if he sees them playing without it, they will be sent off.



  • @taniwharugby the breathing issue thing reminds me of some of the mask excuses...if you...a professional athlete is having such trouble breathing with it in...then you should get yourself check out



  • @Crucial said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    Wasn't there a mention in the commentary during the game that they overheard the ref saying something about a mouthguard?

    Yes, but ironically, I think it was an AB player pointing the finger at a Wallaby before a scrum.

    I have noticed that the PI players seem to be the ones who often don't wear a mouthguard.



  • And aren't mouthguards shown to reduce the chance of a concussion, so double the reason to wear them with todays focus on that



  • Think is is an NZ rule, no other country had it at Pro level as far as I know.



  • @Machpants given he would have had to wear one all through his junior days, and supposed to now, is just slack he doesnt wear one



  • Oh calm down Karens! πŸ˜‰

    Shall we also legislate for depowered scrums because the kids are told to play rugby that way too?

    What else? No physios because some junior teams don't have them.

    Take away ABs cars because children aren't allowed to drive?

    Ban steaks because babies can't eat them?

    Surely someone can explain to kids the difference between adults and children and how family are the best role models to follow.

    Jesus, the bugger is having enough issues playing out of position but you insist he wears a distracting mouthguard so that sprogs, who'll give the game up at age 13, will feel included?

    Just joshing but there's a principle about teaching kids the difference between them and adults, just like you learned, with no life damaging consequences, back in your day.

    You turned out alright
    πŸ™‚



  • @Bovidae so just for clarity is the mouthguard to protect the player?



  • @Siam said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    Oh calm down Karens! πŸ˜‰

    Shall we also legislate for depowered scrums because the kids are told to play rugby that way too?

    What else? No physios because some junior teams don't have them.

    Take away ABs cars because children aren't allowed to drive?

    Ban steaks because babies can't eat them?

    Surely someone can explain to kids the difference between adults and children and how family are the best role models to follow.

    Jesus, the bugger is having enough issues playing out of position but you insist he wears a distracting mouthguard so that sprogs, who'll give the game up at age 13, will feel included?

    Just joshing but there's a principle about teaching kids the difference between them and adults, just like you learned, with no life damaging consequences, back in your day.

    You turned out alright
    πŸ™‚

    Mouthguards are about preventing concussion.

    World Rugby should mandate their use so Karens don't sue them (or have less grounds to sue them on).

    And given that they're specially fitted by orthodentistrotechno peeps it shouldn't really be uncomfortable. I used pharmacy bought home molded ones for years and they were no big deal.



  • @booboo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @Siam said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    Oh calm down Karens! πŸ˜‰

    Shall we also legislate for depowered scrums because the kids are told to play rugby that way too?

    What else? No physios because some junior teams don't have them.

    Take away ABs cars because children aren't allowed to drive?

    Ban steaks because babies can't eat them?

    Surely someone can explain to kids the difference between adults and children and how family are the best role models to follow.

    Jesus, the bugger is having enough issues playing out of position but you insist he wears a distracting mouthguard so that sprogs, who'll give the game up at age 13, will feel included?

    Just joshing but there's a principle about teaching kids the difference between them and adults, just like you learned, with no life damaging consequences, back in your day.

    You turned out alright
    πŸ™‚

    Mouthguards are about preventing concussion.

    World Rugby should mandate their use so Karen's don't sue them (or have less grounds to sue them on).

    And given that they're specially fitted by orthodentistrotechno peeps it shouldn't really be uncomfortable. I used pharmacy bought home molded ones for years and they were no big deal.

    And to prevent tooth injuries.... the custom made ones are extremely comfortable



  • @broughie said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @Bovidae so just for clarity is the mouthguard to protect the player?

    Yes. As others have said, mouthguards are the best way to lessen any chance of getting concussion. Headgear really only protects your head from bumps and wounds.

    The other thing is the wearing of mouthguards is meant to be mandatory and is part of the NZ player's collective agreement.



  • @booboo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @Siam said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    Oh calm down Karens! πŸ˜‰

    Shall we also legislate for depowered scrums because the kids are told to play rugby that way too?

    What else? No physios because some junior teams don't have them.

    Take away ABs cars because children aren't allowed to drive?

    Ban steaks because babies can't eat them?

    Surely someone can explain to kids the difference between adults and children and how family are the best role models to follow.

    Jesus, the bugger is having enough issues playing out of position but you insist he wears a distracting mouthguard so that sprogs, who'll give the game up at age 13, will feel included?

    Just joshing but there's a principle about teaching kids the difference between them and adults, just like you learned, with no life damaging consequences, back in your day.

    You turned out alright
    πŸ™‚

    Mouthguards are about preventing concussion.

    World Rugby should mandate their use so Karen's don't sue them (or have less grounds to sue them on).

    And given that they're specially fitted by orthodentistrotechno peeps it shouldn't really be uncomfortable. I used pharmacy bought home molded ones for years and they were no big deal.

    Yes mum πŸ˜‰

    How come so many concussions with mouthguards then? I mean as the best thing to prevent concussion they're a bit shit at it.

    Cool more laws for rugby, just because an 8 year old pointed and his parents treated him as an all seeing oracle. It's the dock for you Ardie!! You're responsible for harming our children's brains with your sloppy role modelling.
    Chill people 😁



  • @Siam said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    How come so many concussions with mouthguards then?

    Imagine how bad they'd be without?



  • @Bones I can't, it'd only frighten me into writing a stern letter to the editor πŸ™‚



  • @Siam said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @Bones I can't, it'd only frighten me into writing a stern letter to the editor πŸ™‚

    Just imagine how offended you'd be if you checked out the latest on the BritPol thread...



  • @Bovidae said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    Yes. As others have said, mouthguards are the best way to lessen any chance of getting concussion.

    I'm deeply sceptical of such claims. Brain injury is a result of it slamming against the skull. The physics of a shoulder to the chin aren't reduced by a bit of soft plastic protecting the upper teeth.



  • @canefan said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @booboo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @Siam said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    Oh calm down Karens! πŸ˜‰

    Shall we also legislate for depowered scrums because the kids are told to play rugby that way too?

    What else? No physios because some junior teams don't have them.

    Take away ABs cars because children aren't allowed to drive?

    Ban steaks because babies can't eat them?

    Surely someone can explain to kids the difference between adults and children and how family are the best role models to follow.

    Jesus, the bugger is having enough issues playing out of position but you insist he wears a distracting mouthguard so that sprogs, who'll give the game up at age 13, will feel included?

    Just joshing but there's a principle about teaching kids the difference between them and adults, just like you learned, with no life damaging consequences, back in your day.

    You turned out alright
    πŸ™‚

    Mouthguards are about preventing concussion.

    World Rugby should mandate their use so Karen's don't sue them (or have less grounds to sue them on).

    And given that they're specially fitted by orthodentistrotechno peeps it shouldn't really be uncomfortable. I used pharmacy bought home molded ones for years and they were no big deal.

    And to prevent tooth injuries.... the custom made ones are extremely comfortable

    Can't comment. Only used the shitty cheap ones:)



  • Can't play without them myself, unless I'm just going to not even attempt tackles. Have put my teeth through my lips enough times even with a mouthguard to understand the value.



  • @Siam said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @booboo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @Siam said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    Oh calm down Karens! πŸ˜‰

    Shall we also legislate for depowered scrums because the kids are told to play rugby that way too?

    What else? No physios because some junior teams don't have them.

    Take away ABs cars because children aren't allowed to drive?

    Ban steaks because babies can't eat them?

    Surely someone can explain to kids the difference between adults and children and how family are the best role models to follow.

    Jesus, the bugger is having enough issues playing out of position but you insist he wears a distracting mouthguard so that sprogs, who'll give the game up at age 13, will feel included?

    Just joshing but there's a principle about teaching kids the difference between them and adults, just like you learned, with no life damaging consequences, back in your day.

    You turned out alright
    πŸ™‚

    Mouthguards are about preventing concussion.

    World Rugby should mandate their use so Karen's don't sue them (or have less grounds to sue them on).

    And given that they're specially fitted by orthodentistrotechno peeps it shouldn't really be uncomfortable. I used pharmacy bought home molded ones for years and they were no big deal.

    Yes mum πŸ˜‰

    How come so many concussions with mouthguards then? I mean as the best thing to prevent concussion they're a bit shit at it.

    Cool more laws for rugby, just because an 8 year old pointed and his parents treated him as an all seeing oracle. It's the dock for you Ardie!! You're responsible for harming our children's brains with your sloppy role modelling.
    Chill people 😁

    Sorry I'm lost and am not able to follow your 'logic'.

    Mouthguards help reduce concussion = good.



  • @booboo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @canefan said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @booboo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @Siam said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    Oh calm down Karens! πŸ˜‰

    Shall we also legislate for depowered scrums because the kids are told to play rugby that way too?

    What else? No physios because some junior teams don't have them.

    Take away ABs cars because children aren't allowed to drive?

    Ban steaks because babies can't eat them?

    Surely someone can explain to kids the difference between adults and children and how family are the best role models to follow.

    Jesus, the bugger is having enough issues playing out of position but you insist he wears a distracting mouthguard so that sprogs, who'll give the game up at age 13, will feel included?

    Just joshing but there's a principle about teaching kids the difference between them and adults, just like you learned, with no life damaging consequences, back in your day.

    You turned out alright
    πŸ™‚

    Mouthguards are about preventing concussion.

    World Rugby should mandate their use so Karen's don't sue them (or have less grounds to sue them on).

    And given that they're specially fitted by orthodentistrotechno peeps it shouldn't really be uncomfortable. I used pharmacy bought home molded ones for years and they were no big deal.

    And to prevent tooth injuries.... the custom made ones are extremely comfortable

    Can't comment. Only used the shitty cheap ones:)

    Some of the shop bought ones are okay, rebel sport sells laminated shock doctor ones which are well made



  • @Bovidae Okay. Understand although I am more inclined to let a player make a choice for himself. It’s his body and I don’t think not having one would affect anyone else unless he wanted to do a Mike Tyson.



  • @Siam its not like wearing a mouth guard is a tricky rule to police like a tackler releasing a player before attacking the ball or determine which prop has slipped slightly causing a collapse, these are technical often split second interpretations by refs, seen differently by others.

    A mouth guard is worn or isn't, no doubt or interpretation involved.

    It isn't about stopping concussion, it is doing what they can to reduce the effects (however slightly) and I can see in a number of situations a mouth guard could help...Ofa's tackle? Although I have no idea if the other guy was wearing one.

    This is a straight forward one, mandated by NZRPA as an additional layer of safety for players cant se the issue myself.



  • @broughie said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    @Bovidae Okay. Understand although I am more inclined to let a player make a choice for himself. It’s his body and I don’t think not having one would affect anyone else unless he wanted to do a Mike Tyson.

    Were all those ads promoting wearing mouthguards for contact sport some years ago all for nothing? Another example where personal choice is all very fine until someone gets their teeth knocked out and Johnny taxpayer has to pay thousands of dollars to put him back together, and trust me I should know. I am all fine with personal choice. As long as the person signs away his or her rights to ACC or the public health system picking up the pieces when things go awry



  • @broughie its not as simple as that though, its either ACC or the AB's insurers that will be paying for treatment not him personally, and it would be a safe bet that cost will be more than the cost of a mouthguard

    thats all without even saying we dont want his own stupidity to result in him getting hurt



  • There are a few articles saying mouthguard protection against concussion is a tenuous link at best. There are others saying it may reduce likelihood of concussion.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140501101133.htm#:~:text=Previous studies have theorized that,to the level of protection.

    Custom-made mouthguards reduce athletes' risk of concussion, study shows
    Date: May 1, 2014
    Source: Academy of General Dentistry
    Summary: High school football players wearing store-bought, over-the-counter mouthguards were more than twice as likely to suffer mild traumatic brain injuries/concussions than those wearing custom-made, properly fitted mouthguards, reports a new study. Researchers suggest that when it comes to buying a mouthguard, parents who want to reduce their child's risk of a sports-related concussion should visit a dentist instead of a sporting goods store.

    "... Many variables contribute to MTBI/concussion injuries, and mouthguards -- whose primary function is protecting the teeth -- cannot completely prevent them from occurring. Previous studies have theorized that mouthguards can reduce concussion risk, however, because they help absorb shock, stabilize the head and neck, and limit movement caused by a direct hit to the jaw.



  • @NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

    There are a few articles saying mouthguard protection against concussion is a tenuous link at best. There are others saying it may reduce likelihood of concussion.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140501101133.htm#:~:text=Previous studies have theorized that,to the level of protection.

    Custom-made mouthguards reduce athletes' risk of concussion, study shows
    Date: May 1, 2014
    Source: Academy of General Dentistry
    Summary: High school football players wearing store-bought, over-the-counter mouthguards were more than twice as likely to suffer mild traumatic brain injuries/concussions than those wearing custom-made, properly fitted mouthguards, reports a new study. Researchers suggest that when it comes to buying a mouthguard, parents who want to reduce their child's risk of a sports-related concussion should visit a dentist instead of a sporting goods store.

    "... Many variables contribute to MTBI/concussion injuries, and mouthguards -- whose primary function is protecting the teeth -- cannot completely prevent them from occurring. Previous studies have theorized that mouthguards can reduce concussion risk, however, because they help absorb shock, stabilize the head and neck, and limit movement caused by a direct hit to the jaw.

    Is the control group those who don't wear mouthguards? Have they looked back at their school results to see what shape they were in BEFORE the test?



  • @pakman fuck mate I'm not a doctor! πŸ˜‰

    What I was getting at is the link between store bought and custom made. Makes me think for next season I'll go see the dentist.



  • @NTA well if it reduces the risk of a concussion just a little bit, surely that is worth it?

    I have always worn them, but agree you need a quality one fitted otherwise they are cumbersome and can become annoying and inhibit breathing...I expect the ABs get given thier and wil lbe custom fitted, not some they have to go to Rebel to buy themselves.



  • @taniwharugby we had a young bloke playing wing in our Second Grade a few years back - around 185cm and maybe 110kg, and fast. Would not wear a mouthguard and was very shy lowering himself into contact. Said they made it hard to breathe.

    So does having your teeth broken and your mouth filling up with blood. Not from tackling - from getting punched in the head after letting in another try that was a regulation cover tackle!



  • @NTA you're in luck. Many an oral specialist on the fern πŸ™‚



  • With the physicality of today’s game I’m astonished there are individuals who don’t wear them.



  • @MN5 let's also remember this was the guy going "Oh yeah better wear these goggles to protect my vision eh?"



  • @NTA said in Mouthguards:

    There are a few articles saying mouthguard protection against concussion is a tenuous link at best. There are others saying it may reduce likelihood of concussion.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140501101133.htm#:~:text=Previous studies have theorized that,to the level of protection.

    Custom-made mouthguards reduce athletes' risk of concussion, study shows
    Date: May 1, 2014
    Source: Academy of General Dentistry
    Summary: High school football players wearing store-bought, over-the-counter mouthguards were more than twice as likely to suffer mild traumatic brain injuries/concussions than those wearing custom-made, properly fitted mouthguards, reports a new study. Researchers suggest that when it comes to buying a mouthguard, parents who want to reduce their child's risk of a sports-related concussion should visit a dentist instead of a sporting goods store.

    "... Many variables contribute to MTBI/concussion injuries, and mouthguards -- whose primary function is protecting the teeth -- cannot completely prevent them from occurring. Previous studies have theorized that mouthguards can reduce concussion risk, however, because they help absorb shock, stabilize the head and neck, and limit movement caused by a direct hit to the jaw.

    'stabilize the head and neck, and limit movement caused by a direct hit to the jaw'

    Again, how?



  • @antipodean said in Mouthguards:

    absorb shock

    seems missed from your quoting...if you read it with that in it, it makes sense, take it away and I understand your scepticism.



  • @taniwharugby said in Mouthguards:

    @antipodean said in Mouthguards:

    absorb shock

    seems missed from your quoting...if you read it with that in it, it makes sense, take it away and I understand your scepticism.

    I read them as stand alone claims. And wearing a mouth guard doesn't stabilise the neck. How does a blow to the head anywhere else other than the mouth guard reduce the momentum of the brain?


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