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  • Anyone else finding the Donald Trump circus in equal parts entertaining and concerning?
    How is he even in the race?
    Is the any realistic possibility he could be there at the pointy end?



  • His latest:
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/70953526/Donald-Trump-dumped-over-blood-remark-about-Foxs-Megyn-Kelly
    Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has been dumped as a speaker at an important gathering of conservative activists for suggesting that Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly was tough on him because she had her period.
    Trump was scheduled to deliver the keynote address on Saturday night at a conference in Atlanta organised by Red State, an influential conservative group.
    Red State chief Erick Erickson said he had disinvited Trump from the event because of what he described as "demeaning" remarks about Kelly who was one of three moderators during the first major Republican debate on Thursday night in Cleveland.
    "While I have tried to give him great latitude, his remark about Megyn Kelly was a bridge too far," Erickson said, adding he had invited Kelly, one of Fox's highest profile anchors, to attend his conference in Trump's place.
    Trump defended his comments on Saturday while denouncing politically correct "fools".
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    The Trump campaign issued a statement on Saturday.
    It said: "Mr Trump made Megyn Kelly look really bad - she was a mess with her anger and totally caught off guard.
    "Mr Trump said "blood was coming out of her eyes and whatever" meaning nose, but wanted to move on to more important topics.
    "Only a deviant would think anything else."
    During the debate, Kelly asked Trump to respond to derogatory statements he had made in the past about women, calling them "fat pigs" for example.
    Trump tried to wave off the question and dismissed Kelly during a raucous debate performance.
    "And honestly Megyn, if you don't like it, I'm sorry," Trump said. "I've been very nice to you, although I could probably maybe not be, based on the way you have treated me. But I wouldn't do that."
    On Friday, the morning after the debate, Trump lashed out at criticism at his performance.
    Erickson said in a Facebook statement that in a CNN interview Trump said of Kelly: "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever."
    "His comment was inappropriate," said Erickson.
    "It is unfortunate to have to disinvite him. But I just don't want someone on stage who gets a hostile question from a lady and his first inclination is to imply it was hormonal. It just was wrong," he said.
    "He is not a professional politician and is known for being a blunt talker. But there are even lines blunt talkers and unprofessional politicians should not cross. Decency is one of those lines."
    A variety of Republican presidential candidates have been speaking at the Red State gathering in Atlanta and Trump was scheduled for a prominent appearance.
    Shortly before Erickson's statement, Trump's campaign had just put out a media advisory with the schedule for Trump's appearance.
    The New York billionaire has been riding high in the polls in recent weeks as Republican search for their nominee to face the Democrats' choice in the November 2016 election.
    Carly Fiorina, the business executive who is the only woman running for the Republican nomination and who spoke to Red State on Friday, applauded Trump's dumping.



  • I saw that old joker Roger Stone was running Trump's campaign.



  • Anyone else finding the Donald Trump circus in equal parts entertaining and concerning?
    How is he even in the race?
    Is the any realistic possibility he could be there at the pointy end?

    No. Trump has almost no chance. His favourability ratings are very low.



  • I thought he was polling quite high?
    Which i suspect is different to being in the hunt for the Republican nomination.
    You would think he's singlehandedly destroying the Republican's chances. But, you know, America.



  • Nate Silver (he correctly predicted how all 50 states would go in 2012) believes Donald Trump is the Nickleback of GOP Candidates:
     
    What’s going on? On Twitter yesterday, I likened Trump to the band Nickelback: disliked by most people but with a few very passionate admirers. The best contrast to Trump is Marco Rubio: like a “lite rock” radio station, he’s broadly acceptable but few people’s favorite. Rubio’s favorable ratings are much higher (56 percent) than The Donald’s, and his unfavorable ratings are much lower (16 percent). But only 6 percent of Republicans list Rubio as their first choice.
     
    The Nickelback analogy isn’t perfect. As the Republican strategist Patrick Ruffini points out, the bulk of Trump’s support in polls isn’t necessarily coming from passionate Republicans but rather from “low-information voters” who may not turn out in Iowa and New Hampshire. That doesn’t mean none of Trump’s support is real, however. There’s another factor that helps him: He’s highly differentiated from the rest of the Republican pack.
     
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-the-nickelback-of-gop-candidates/



  • Bill clinton encouraged the clown to run and Hillary was a guest at one of his weddings, I wonder what motivated Bill to suggest he run?
     
    Which reminds me of an old joke about Bill Clinton.
    his press secretary comes into his office and says 
    "Mr president i need to know what you're going to do about the upcoming abortion bill?"
    'look, just pay it and find out how much she wants to keep from going to the press about it."



  • Bill clinton encouraged the clown to run and Hillary was a guest at one of his weddings, I wonder what motivated Bill to suggest he run?
     
    Which reminds me of an old joke about Bill Clinton.
    his press secretary comes into his office and says 
    "Mr president i need to know what you're going to do about the upcoming abortion bill?"
    'look, just pay it and find out how much she wants to keep from going to the press about it."

    I think it was quite shrewd of old Bill, at best Trump gets the Republican nomination and Hillary walks it, and at worst Trump turns the Republican candidate race into - well what it is now, and likely Hillary walks it.



  • I think it was quite shrewd of old Bill, at best Trump gets the Republican nomination and Hillary walks it, and at worst Trump turns the Republican candidate race into - well what it is now, and likely Hillary walks it.

    Either that of he repulses the GOP so much that he has to run as an I dependant and does what Ross Perot did to Bush when Clinton won.



  • Yep. He's just a shit stirrer and once he has finished ripping into the republicans he will go independent and crack jibes about the democrats.
    He's kind of like Winston Peters with money.



  • Hillary won't walk anything, if the Democrats put her up then it will likely be a Republican President.
    So many skeletons, it will be a massacre.


  • Banned

    I've always found Trump to be a repulsive blowhard, but damn its refreshing to see someone up there being honest and totally themselves. I thought he'd killed himself with his McCain comments, but he's just going from strength to strength. Logic would dictate that he'll fade away but people seem so disgusted with politicians these days that he may have tapped into something huge. Add that to his very high name recognition and popularity of his series and he may hang around for a while yet.
    I doubt he'll run as an independent. He's probably not nearly as rich as he says he is and he'd need hundreds of millions to even get a double figure vote.
    What I don't understand is why Clinton is apparently such an unstoppable force. She has more baggage than a gridiron team.



  • Trump took a big jum this month in this poll http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
     
     
    I thought Hillarys numbers had been trending downwards and the way the stuff about her and her home computer being drip fed to the press probably isn't helping much. Biden was making noises about running last week, probably just trying to see if he can attract enough money to run a campaign.
     
    Is anyone else following the Labour leadership campaign in the Uk? They threw a hard left weirdo who doesnt even want the job into the mix for "diversity"  and he's leading the poll by a decent margin at the moment. If he wins Labour can kiss the next election goodbye, he basically has the same policies as the NZ greens but thinks the hordes of illegal immigrants trying to bash their way into the Uk at Calais at the moment should be allowed in along with "free " tertiary education ,huge tax increases and the usual spendthrift  and anti law and order nuttiness leftards are famous for .


  • Banned

    Good site that. Interesting approval numbers for Obama.
    Can the Democrats really not do better than Clinton, Sanders and Biden?



  • Good site that. Interesting approval numbers for Obama.
    Can the Democrats really not do better than Clinton, Sanders and Biden?

    Apart from briefly after each of his election victories Obama has never had a positive net approval rating.



  • Nate Silver (he correctly predicted how all 50 states would go in 2012) believes Donald Trump is the Nickleback of GOP Candidates:
     
    What’s going on? On Twitter yesterday, I likened Trump to the band Nickelback: disliked by most people but with a few very passionate admirers. The best contrast to Trump is Marco Rubio: like a “lite rock” radio station, he’s broadly acceptable but few people’s favorite. Rubio’s favorable ratings are much higher (56 percent) than The Donald’s, and his unfavorable ratings are much lower (16 percent). But only 6 percent of Republicans list Rubio as their first choice.
     
    The Nickelback analogy isn’t perfect. As the Republican strategist Patrick Ruffini points out, the bulk of Trump’s support in polls isn’t necessarily coming from passionate Republicans but rather from “low-information voters” who may not turn out in Iowa and New Hampshire. That doesn’t mean none of Trump’s support is real, however. There’s another factor that helps him: He’s highly differentiated from the rest of the Republican pack.
     
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-the-nickelback-of-gop-candidates/

    On the low information voters point. There was a poll that looks at who voters second favourite candidate was. Of the Trump supporters the second favourite candidate was Jeb.. the man with the second highest name recognition in the lineup.
    But of course that makes no sense as Trump is meant to to be the anti Bush candidate
     
    It's also interesting how alike the populist candidates in both parties are. Trump and Sanders have similar views on trade and their solution to every problem is a stronger government with a godlike leader (themselves) smashing every problem with centralised force. The Constitution and legislature don't seem to have any role



  • Apart from briefly after each of his election victories Obama has never had a positive net approval rating.

    The suprising thing about his numbers is that they are so static. Even popular presidents like Reagan dipped under 50% approval and got it back up.



  • Trump's support is VERY high... which is to say, about 25% of decided registered Republicans. (= a small sample size and still not much of a chance; most Americans are on summer vacation, and the real election campaign that lasts 14 months only begins after Labor Day (month from now). Americans are NOT really paying close attention.)
     
    The thing about Trump is -- he has huge name recognition; and he won't back down and apologize for anything. The Rule of Thumb in American politics is when you make a blunder or inexcusable mistake, you apologize, act contrite, beg forgiveness, and America loves the Underdog and Redemption Song, blah-blah. Not with Trump, he won't play the game. So the GOP campaign has come down to Fox News (establishment GOP) vs. The Donald, which is what that first debate basically was, and every time Fox News declares him dead & buried, his polling numbers go up. There are a lot of Fed-Up Republicans, and they are supporting him, if only as a Big F.U. to the party establishment (what some call populist nihilism). Same reason they want to throw House Speaker John Boehner (R) off a cliff.
     
    So, if you're asking if Trump's scorched earth campaign strategy is good or bad for the party, it depends on whether you enjoy the spectacle of the Republican Party shooting themselves in the feet again. They are the dysfunctional gang who can't shoot straight, so awful that even Marco Rubio appeared like a mature voice of reason during the debate. And he's a pathetic neocon boyclown.
     
    Plus... every day the GOP "leaders" pound the war drums on Iran, and every day that AIPAC-pwned Democrats such as senior Senator Chuck Shumer join them, Obama looks like the lone voice of sanity in American politics. I've not had a lot of kind things to say about him the past six years, but he looks like a super-genius compared to the bubbleheaded blowhards looking to take his job.
     
    Edit: Adding -- if you haven't checked out the "Trump is a False Flag Candidate Engineered by Bill Clinton," there are a lot of stories that make you go Hmmmm, which might have been the reason behind Fox News debate panel's very first question, directed at Trump, about whether he would he would support the GOP's eventual candidate or go rogue third-party. Many Republicans are convinced that Trumps candidacy is to sabotage the Republican Party. Like I said, whether this is a good thing depends on whether you believe the GOP needs to blow itself up and begin anew. I reckon Trump is terrific for this reason. An Idiot Leader for Idiocracy.



  • Good site that. Interesting approval numbers for Obama.
    Can the Democrats really not do better than Clinton, Sanders and Biden?

    Jim Webb could take Hillary down. He has the credentials that could swing a LOT of Republican votes his way (Vietnam veteran who served as Reagan's Secretary of the Navy) who looks like a guy's-guy that appeals to GOP voters (best-selling author about warriors). And he could carry the Democrat anti-war vote, especially with the registered Dems who still can't forgive Hillary for Iraq, nor will accept Bernie Sanders who is an economic populist but like Hillary has a foot planted firmly in the dark side of foreign policy. Sadly for Webb, he has dick-all campaign money (AIPAC and the Defense Lobby won't support him, because he prefers diplomacy to a shoot-first foreign policy) and the networks refuse to acknowledge his candidacy. 
     
    Having said all that, Webb has joined Chucky & the neocons and stands against Obama's Iran Deal, so it's difficult to say if he's a serious candidate, even if he is sitting lower than 1% in the Dem polls..



  • He doesn't back down from a scrap...

    ...
    "His comment was inappropriate," said Erick Erickson."It is unfortunate to have to disinvite him. But I just don't want someone on stage who gets a hostile question from a lady and his first inclination is to imply it was hormonal. It just was wrong," he said.
    "He is not a professional politician and is known for being a blunt talker. But there are even lines blunt talkers and unprofessional politicians should not cross. Decency is one of those lines."
    A variety of Republican presidential candidates have been speaking at the Red State gathering in Atlanta and Trump was scheduled for a prominent appearance.
    ...

    Donald J. Trump 
    ‏@realDonaldTrump 
    23 hours agoNew Jersey, USA
    Small crowds at @RedState today in Atlanta. People were very angry at EWErickson, a major sleaze and buffoon who has saved me time and money

    ...
     
    Carly Fiorina, the business executive who is the only woman running for the Republican nomination and who spoke to Red State on Friday, applauded Trump's dumping.

    Donald J. Trump 
    ‏@realDonaldTrump 
    7 hours agoNew Jersey, USA
    I just realized that if you listen to Carly Fiorina for more than ten minutes straight, you develop a massive headache. She has zero chance!


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