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  • @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    @antipodean said in US Politics:

    @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    Also commiserations to her family on her upcoming suicide.

    WTF

    For context:

    &

    https://babylonbee.com/news/hillary-clinton-accidentally-posts-condolences-for-tulsi-gabbards-suicide-one-day-early

    Oh satire, leveraging off conspiracy theories. Right.



  • @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    Tulsi and Jocko on the latest Rogan.

    Very enjoyable so far. Damn she could really make an impact if she'd just stop bending over to the Dems. Plenty of reasonable democrats out there who need someone to stand up to that parties madness.

    Also commiserations to her family on her upcoming suicide.

    God it was refreshing to hear a cogent discussion for once.



  • Her and Yang seem to be pretty switched on. Both seem to be calling out the big lobby groups and how much power and corruption go into politics.



  • Just finished it. What a great podcast. Actual sanity from a democrat candidate and having Jocko on was brilliant. Some actual nuanced conversation on Trump, no doubt she will be hauled over the coals by the twitteratti for not incessantly yelling 'orange man bad' while screaming at the sky and pulling clumps of her own hair out. Really thing she could give Trump a run for his money if my some miracle she could get the nomination and actually stick to her ideals.



  • Gabbard's first name comes from Sanskrit. Tulsi is the name for Holy Basil, a plant sacred in Hinduism.[194] Her siblings also have Hindu Sanskrit-origin names.[18] During her childhood Gabbard excelled in martial arts.[23] In 2002, she was a martial arts instructor.[195] She is vegan[196]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard

    I'm torn here, she is a vegan but doesn't bring it up much if at all . If a vegan isn't preachy and annoying about it can they truly call themselves a vegan?





  • This is real.

    Best President ever.





  • @Tim that weird shot of him nibbling his wife's finger on stage is real too apparently. Does nobody around him have the guts to pull him aside and tell him maybe this campaign is a bridge too far and to just enjoy his retirement?



  • @No-Quarter said in US Politics:

    @Tim that weird shot of him nibbling his wife's finger on stage is real too apparently. Does nobody around him have the guts to pull him aside and tell him maybe this campaign is a bridge too far and to just enjoy his retirement?

    I watched the video of that. It's nothing at all. Photo makes it look bad but in context he was just being playful with his wife...can't defend his other actions so much though.



  • @No-Quarter said in US Politics:

    @Tim that weird shot of him nibbling his wife's finger on stage is real too apparently. Does nobody around him have the guts to pull him aside and tell him maybe this campaign is a bridge too far and to just enjoy his retirement?

    He's 77. Hopefully the American public point that out.



  • Biden's great strength is his very high support from African Americans.
    This has not dipped at all. He holds massive leads over the other candidates with this group. All the other candidates, bar Bernie, are very "white liberal" or "white centrist".

    Conservative columnist makes the case for Bernie potentially being the unifier of the party. Unfortunately for Bernie, the controlling Obama faction won't be having it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/30/opinion/sunday/bernie-sanders.html





  • 3 people are suing Evergreen college because its impossible to get a job with the colleges name on your cv .





  • Her support crashed as soon as people had a serious look at her.

    It will be interesting to see if she boosted her name recognition enough to be a VP option. The white men that are left will be pressured to pick a dark skinned female



  • @Duluth said in US Politics:

    Her support crashed as soon as people had a serious look at her.

    It will be interesting to see if she boosted her name recognition enough to be a VP option. The white men that are left will be pressured to pick a dark skinned female

    She could have some competition there , isn’t Warren starting to slide now ? She identifies as a woman of colour.



  • @jegga

    I haven't seen many people mention Klobuchar as a VP candidate. I think she's the best option if they want to go for a female.
    She can think on her feet and could play the traditional VP attack dog role. Warren and Harris have been poor in the debates when talking points are pushed back on

    They'll probably go for Stacey Abrams though



  • @Duluth I’m not sure that she’d be a huge asset considering her reputation for treating staff like shit . I thought she threw a stapler at one of her staff , it was actually a binder.

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/report-klobuchars-staff-mistreatment-goes-back-a-decade.html



  • @jegga

    That won't mean shit in a general election



  • @Duluth said in US Politics:

    @jegga

    That won't mean shit in a general election

    Be some great memes though, that’s probably half the reason I follow politics these days .



  • Terrible resource management appears to be the norm. Resignation letter from a state operations director for Harris: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6541-mehlenbacher-harris-resignation-letter/f0475e62906e5d2056f8/optimized/full.pdf#page=1



  • Pleased to see the Kamala Harris' campaign fail.
    She was totally inauthentic and very unlikeable.

    Warren has terrible political instincts and I think when she is put on a national stage, her lecturing kindergarten teacher demeanor won't be popular.

    Biden appears to be going senile and his Ukraine dealing might be further exposed in a Senate trial.

    Pete Buttigeig's sexual preference parading his husband around might be all good with white liberals but it will NOT play well with church going African Americans in the Southern and swing states. Funnily, Politico won't mention this as the obvious reason for his lack of black support + no name recognition. He knows this is his Achilles-heel.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/buttigieg-black-outreach-2020-074867

    Bernie is hated by the DNC establishment and the DNC media. As I alluded to earlier, I think he would have the best chance because he has authenticity. But I don't think he has the numbers.

    Bloomberg, despite having a shit ton of money, is not actually very popular with the Dem base . Plus he comes across as pretty damn old and low energy.

    What should the Dems do?



  • @Frank Clinton. You know it makes sense .

    Disappointed Sanders has abandoned a lot of his ideas to chase votes from the woke left and despite mountains of evidence of the awfulness of Sarsour he’s still using her as a campaign proxy .



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    Pete Buttigeig's sexual preference parading his husband around might be all good with white liberals but it will NOT play well with church going African Americans in the Southern and swing states. Funnily, Politico won't mention this as the obvious reason for his lack of black support + no name recognition. He knows this is his Achilles-heel.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/buttigieg-black-outreach-2020-074867

    Rather odd comment given the huge amount written about how and why this isn't actually the key reason Mayor Pete polls so badly with blacks.Plenty of church going whites that are homophobic and that isn't hurting him as much.
    His record regarding blacks while mayor is far more hurtful alongside his massive unintended gaffe saying 'all lives matter' in a 'black lives matter' discussion.
    He has basically shot himself in the foot so badly that the best he can hope for is an increased profile followed by a years long concerted effort to turn around his reputation.
    I's also add women to his list of achilles heels



  • @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Frank said in US Politics:

    Pete Buttigeig's sexual preference parading his husband around might be all good with white liberals but it will NOT play well with church going African Americans in the Southern and swing states. Funnily, Politico won't mention this as the obvious reason for his lack of black support + no name recognition. He knows this is his Achilles-heel.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/buttigieg-black-outreach-2020-074867

    Rather odd comment given the huge amount written about how and why this isn't actually the key reason Mayor Pete polls so badly with blacks.Plenty of church going whites that are homophobic and that isn't hurting him as much.
    His record regarding blacks while mayor is far more hurtful alongside his massive unintended gaffe saying 'all lives matter' in a 'black lives matter' discussion.
    He has basically shot himself in the foot so badly that the best he can hope for is an increased profile followed by a years long concerted effort to turn around his reputation.
    I's also add women to his list of achilles heels

    And latinos and hispanics.....

    As for church going whites.. I doubt they are a significant percentage of the democrat primary populace. Generally murdering babies doesnt sit well with church goers of any skin colour. And the Democrats are definately a party supporting abortion.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Frank said in US Politics:

    Pete Buttigeig's sexual preference parading his husband around might be all good with white liberals but it will NOT play well with church going African Americans in the Southern and swing states. Funnily, Politico won't mention this as the obvious reason for his lack of black support + no name recognition. He knows this is his Achilles-heel.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/buttigieg-black-outreach-2020-074867

    Rather odd comment given the huge amount written about how and why this isn't actually the key reason Mayor Pete polls so badly with blacks.Plenty of church going whites that are homophobic and that isn't hurting him as much.
    His record regarding blacks while mayor is far more hurtful alongside his massive unintended gaffe saying 'all lives matter' in a 'black lives matter' discussion.
    He has basically shot himself in the foot so badly that the best he can hope for is an increased profile followed by a years long concerted effort to turn around his reputation.
    I's also add women to his list of achilles heels

    And latinos and hispanics.....

    As for church going whites.. I doubt they are a significant percentage of the democrat primary populace. Generally murdering babies doesnt sit well with church goers of any skin colour. And the Democrats are definately a party supporting abortion.

    I think party split is pretty well on par with the overall split for all christian groups part from Evangelicals and Mormons.

    EDIT: I found a survey that backs this up although the big proviso is that Republicans 'care' much more about their religious beliefs and get their 'right and wrong' beliefs more strongly from religion.



  • I think the candidates and their problems are a reflection of the deeper problem. The Dem voters and thus party are deeply divided.

    Some of their policies are very unpopular within swing states (Medicare for All costs, perceived softness on illegal immigration, higher taxes)

    They are trying to unite the factions under the "orange man bad" banner.



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    I think the candidates and their problems are a reflection of the deeper problem. The Dem voters and thus party are deeply divided.

    They are trying to unite the factions under the "orange man bad" banner.

    I think it's more that they can't work out whether to fight extremes with extremes or plead to common sensibilities.

    The 'middle ground' doesn't sway that much so targeting them is a bit of a lost cause and there will be a % of Republicans in that zone that simply won't vote anyway.
    The Dems run the same risk (alienating the middle) if the candidate is too extreme and alienating the extremes if they don't appear to be trying to fight fire with fire.

    Personalities aside it will simply come down to whether enough people feel 'affected' enough to kick out the current bunch and replace them for the sake of it.

    None of the Dem candidates comes across as a leader to do something positive to peoples lives. The best they can aim at is healthcare (and possibly fixing the tax tables so people don't get stung with end of year bills). Massive public works (jobs)investment is about the only tool left in the cupboard



  • @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Frank said in US Politics:

    Pete Buttigeig's sexual preference parading his husband around might be all good with white liberals but it will NOT play well with church going African Americans in the Southern and swing states. Funnily, Politico won't mention this as the obvious reason for his lack of black support + no name recognition. He knows this is his Achilles-heel.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/buttigieg-black-outreach-2020-074867

    Rather odd comment given the huge amount written about how and why this isn't actually the key reason Mayor Pete polls so badly with blacks.Plenty of church going whites that are homophobic and that isn't hurting him as much.
    His record regarding blacks while mayor is far more hurtful alongside his massive unintended gaffe saying 'all lives matter' in a 'black lives matter' discussion.
    He has basically shot himself in the foot so badly that the best he can hope for is an increased profile followed by a years long concerted effort to turn around his reputation.
    I's also add women to his list of achilles heels

    And latinos and hispanics.....

    As for church going whites.. I doubt they are a significant percentage of the democrat primary populace. Generally murdering babies doesnt sit well with church goers of any skin colour. And the Democrats are definately a party supporting abortion.

    I think party split is pretty well on par with the overall split for all christian groups part from Evangelicals and Mormons.

    EDIT: I found a survey that backs this up although the big proviso is that Republicans 'care' much more about their religious beliefs and get their 'right and wrong' beliefs more strongly from religion.

    Which is why I said church going. Pelosi and Mayor Pete (and Trump ) claim I be christians... But I bet they hardly ever go to to church without inviting the media to film their piety.



  • @Crucial
    No. I think they are truly divided.

    And there is a longer term power struggle for the ideology of the Dems beyond this election. My money is on the socialists.

    What is considered "extreme" by moderate Dems, is honestly believed by the Sanders-Warren wing of the party. It is not considered extreme at all.



  • @Crucial Except there is nothing extreme about Trumps presidency, his personality is extreme. But his policies are very mainstream.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial Except there is nothing extreme about Trumps presidency, his personality is extreme. But his policies are very mainstream.

    In the eye of the beholder, of course.



  • @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial Except there is nothing extreme about Trumps presidency, his personality is extreme. But his policies are very mainstream.

    In the eye of the beholder, of course.

    Maybe... So enlighten to which of his policies is extreme?



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial Except there is nothing extreme about Trumps presidency, his personality is extreme. But his policies are very mainstream.

    In the eye of the beholder, of course.

    Maybe... So enlighten to which of his policies is extreme?

    What I'm saying is that many people may view his policies as extreme given their own political slant.



  • @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial Except there is nothing extreme about Trumps presidency, his personality is extreme. But his policies are very mainstream.

    In the eye of the beholder, of course.

    Maybe... So enlighten to which of his policies is extreme?

    What I'm saying is that many people may view his policies as extreme given their own political slant.

    Do you find them extreme?
    If so - which ones?



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial Except there is nothing extreme about Trumps presidency, his personality is extreme. But his policies are very mainstream.

    In the eye of the beholder, of course.

    Maybe... So enlighten to which of his policies is extreme?

    What I'm saying is that many people may view his policies as extreme given their own political slant.

    Do you find them extreme?
    If so - which ones?

    Why would you need to know? It has no relevance at all to the comment I made.

    I really should get back off this board. I stopped reading it for ages as it was full of posters getting dragged into personality arguments and irrelevant finger pointing about their own views.

    Any attempt to make comment about political 'happenings' moves quickly to questions like this.



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @Crucial Except there is nothing extreme about Trumps presidency, his personality is extreme. But his policies are very mainstream.

    In the eye of the beholder, of course.

    Maybe... So enlighten to which of his policies is extreme?

    What I'm saying is that many people may view his policies as extreme given their own political slant.

    Do you find them extreme?
    If so - which ones?

    the topic is US politics, not Crucial's beliefs.



  • @Crucial
    If you would rather not discuss the policies you don't like of Trump's (or don't actually have an answer because you secretly love them😁 ) that's fine.

    I openly say my own views here. It isn't a sensitive matter to me.
    I am just trying to understand the thinking of people who might have views different from my own.



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    @Crucial
    If you would rather not discuss the policies you don't like of Trump's (or don't actually have an answer because you secretly love them😁 ) that's fine.

    I openly say my own views here. It isn't a sensitive matter to me.
    I am just trying to understand the thinking of people who might have views different from my own.

    I'm going to call bullshit on that @Frank

    You post on here to cheerlead and support your opinion (which you are entitled to do). I have never once seen you genuinely 'try to understand differing views' even through debate.
    Even recently you attacked a comment of mine, where I said I disliked Trump due to his personality more so than policy by equating me with people stupid enough to criticise policy without knowing it. Again, just now you tried to drag me into the same argument.
    You don't appear to have any desire to debate or 'understand' just a desire to prove your view as the correct one.


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