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  • The president has laid out a plan to make communities safer and save the American taxpayers' money.



  • @reprobate Yes. I might agree with you here. But letting in them in very small numbers in a very slow manner with very strong vetting with the situation being monitored that assimilation actually does start to take place after a certain time. Plus reserving the right to stop it if it is not occurring. No possibility of Islamic schools being established - ever. Then yes, miracle of miracles - we might be in agreement.



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    The president has laid out a plan to make communities safer

    I love the bit where he says "border wall!" then without any irony talks about the time he saw a drug tunnel & time spent on boats.

    Maybe some gun laws would help -

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-hunters-blamed-immigrants-after-accidentally-shooting-each-other-a7591471.html

    A hunting guide and his client accidentally shot each other and then blamed it on undocumented migrants, police in the US have said. Officers attended the scene at a remote south Texas ranch, near to the Mexico border, in early January, finding the two men bleeding from gunshot wounds. A second guide was involved in the incident, but escaped without injury.

    The casualties, guide Walker Daughtery, 26, and client Edwin Roberts, 59, and the other guide, Michael Bryant, told police they suspected the shooters were undocumented immigrants they had seen on the ranch earlier in their trip.

    Their story was shared thousands of times online after Texas Commissioner of Agriculture and Donald Trump ally Sid Miller wrote about it on Facebook. But police and a grand jury have now concluded the men were lying about the incident, and actually shot each other. Investigators believe that Mr Daughtery became paranoid that illegal immigrants were inside a vehicle with Mr Roberts and his wife and attempted to get inside without saying anything, prompting Mr Roberts to shoot at the door.

    Mr Daughtery then ran back to his cabin to grab his gun and to get backup from Mr Bryant, and together they opened fire on the truck. Mr Daughtery and Mr Roberts were both struck by bullets, to the chest and to the arm respectively. It is believed that Mr Daughtery shot Mr Roberts, his client, and Mr Bryant shot Mr Daughtery, his colleague.

    Police told news channel CBS 7 they are conducting ballistic testing to determine which guns fired which bullets, but they cannot test the bullet that struck Mr Daughtery as it is too close to his heart to be safely removed. Mr Daughtery and Mr Bryant have both been indicted on third-degree felony charges, punishable by up to five years in prison.



  • @gollum fuck that is like the South Park episode where they tried to blame everything on "Some Puerto Rican Guy"

    Comical



  • @gollum said in US Politics:

    @Frank said in US Politics:

    The president has laid out a plan to make communities safer

    I love the bit where he says "border wall!" then without any irony talks about the time he saw a drug tunnel & time spent on boats.

    Maybe some gun laws would help -

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-hunters-blamed-immigrants-after-accidentally-shooting-each-other-a7591471.html

    A hunting guide and his client accidentally shot each other and then blamed it on undocumented migrants, police in the US have said. Officers attended the scene at a remote south Texas ranch, near to the Mexico border, in early January, finding the two men bleeding from gunshot wounds. A second guide was involved in the incident, but escaped without injury.

    The casualties, guide Walker Daughtery, 26, and client Edwin Roberts, 59, and the other guide, Michael Bryant, told police they suspected the shooters were undocumented immigrants they had seen on the ranch earlier in their trip.

    Their story was shared thousands of times online after Texas Commissioner of Agriculture and Donald Trump ally Sid Miller wrote about it on Facebook. But police and a grand jury have now concluded the men were lying about the incident, and actually shot each other. Investigators believe that Mr Daughtery became paranoid that illegal immigrants were inside a vehicle with Mr Roberts and his wife and attempted to get inside without saying anything, prompting Mr Roberts to shoot at the door.

    Mr Daughtery then ran back to his cabin to grab his gun and to get backup from Mr Bryant, and together they opened fire on the truck. Mr Daughtery and Mr Roberts were both struck by bullets, to the chest and to the arm respectively. It is believed that Mr Daughtery shot Mr Roberts, his client, and Mr Bryant shot Mr Daughtery, his colleague.

    Police told news channel CBS 7 they are conducting ballistic testing to determine which guns fired which bullets, but they cannot test the bullet that struck Mr Daughtery as it is too close to his heart to be safely removed. Mr Daughtery and Mr Bryant have both been indicted on third-degree felony charges, punishable by up to five years in prison.

    That's Don Don's people!!





  • @Stockcar86 said in US Politics:

    http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/classified-memo-tells-intelligence-analysts-keep-trumps-daily-brief-short

    It rubs the nuances on its skin otherwise it gets the hose

    Give me bullet points. BULLET POINTS!!!!!!!!



  • Obama was criticised when he asked for more info on his ipad and less face to face meetings

    Those stories were dumb. These stories are dumb



  • Blimey. .. .this is going to get some sand in some vaginas ... or penises .. or whatever you call yourself ... i get so confused.

    Actually agree with Trump (and Ben Shapiro, unsurprisingly). BS answer to this though is best. "From today I am 60 years old" ... "No, I don't care that I'm 30 years old, I am 60 and want the rights of 60, as I identify better with people who are 60".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/us/politics/devos-sessions-transgender-students-rights.html?_r=0







  • @gollum There are other groups that don't want this kind of transgender bathroom bullshit and a return to common sense. Can't please everyone. So tough shit.



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    @gollum There are other groups that don't want this kind of transgender bathroom bullshit and a return to common sense. Can't please everyone. So tough shit.

    Out of interest, what is your issue with it? You have a person in the process of having a full sex change wants to use a toilet that they are changing to, thats an issue how? EG a person who looks like a woman, dresses as a woman, has tits, wants to use a woman toilet. But its important (like 30 days into Presidency important) this not be allowed. And also, how many cases do you think there are of this? And ultimately, who does it hurt?

    IE "Common sense" implies that the alternative is better for society than what is happening now. How so? Do you think it'll pan out better for that transitioning woman to walk into the mens?



  • Personally I wouldn't care either way. i've never understood the obsession we have with gender separated toilets. FFS they have doors you know.

    I don't think it was something that required direct legislation though. Legislate for directives and suggested solutions that fit within an agreed framework yes, but forcing schools (in particular) to act a certain way when situations and environments can be vastly different around the country was not really a great idea despite the good intentions.



  • @Crucial said in US Politics:

    Personally I wouldn't care either way. i've never understood the obsession we have with gender separated toilets. FFS they have doors you know.

    I don't think it was something that required direct legislation though. Legislate for directives and suggested solutions that fit within an agreed framework yes, but forcing schools (in particular) to act a certain way when situations and environments can be vastly different around the country was not really a great idea despite the good intentions.

    Yeah, it's a double question really isn't it? Not just why Trump is doing this now (and I really can't see why it's that important) but also why Obama did it in the first place.



  • @Crucial said in US Politics:

    Personally I wouldn't care either way. i've never understood the obsession we have with gender separated toilets. FFS they have doors you know.

    Thats the bit I REALLY struggle with, the issue was that guys transitioning would go into the womens. Its not like womens toilets have fricking urinals. There's zero exposure. Half the offices I've been in are unisex, because they are all cubicles. I've hardly ever been bummed by a dude in a dress while using the hand dryer.

    The laws were aimed at protecting the vulnerable (as good laws should), the vulnerable in this case being a very effiminate dude on his way to being chick, walking into a mens toilet.

    The stat to look at would be the number of people in that grouping beaten up in a mens toilet v the number of women raped by a tranny bursting into their toilet cubicle. I'm guessing thats one way traffic... but from a hyped fear point of view its the same as arguing your toddler is more likley to shoot you with your own handgun than ISIS is to blow up the plane you are on. Once you toss fear into the mix rationality has zero value.

    Previously laws wrere at least made leaning towards rationality, now its 100% hyped fear with zero grounding (in all areas, terrior, immigrants, LGBT rights, race). Its a vote winner. It does zero for the underlying issues or safety.

    As Frank notes "you can't please everyone". Laws should not be about "pleasing" - especially about pleasing peoples irrational fears or pandering to the stupid. How is where a tranny pisses of any interest at all to the majority? Its certainly zero threat to them. No closet gay redneck terrorfied of gays was having his rights put at risk by that law.

    It should be about solid law making that protects those in our society without implinging on the rights of others. Luckily the courts recently explained that in the case of immigration.



  • Anyone know if it is just toilets or does this also include locker rooms etc? I could see an argument against it for the latter. The thing is who really is going to police it anyway. I mean what is the transgender population roughly? Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!

    I understand why Trump is doing it, wants to show he is getting things done after years of stuff not getting done, It's more important to show that he is accomplishing things rather than what those particular things are exactly.



  • @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!

    Its a non issue to 99.99% of the population. Its a huge issue for the TG. So the law solved a massive problem for them & had zero effect of the rest of society. Reversing it creates a huge issue to the TG & again, has zero issue re the rest. How is rthis hard? As a law it helped TG people a lot, had zero impact on everyone else.

    The 99.9 bitching about this or calling it a non issue is like people without babies bitching & being outraged at baby change facilities & demanding they be reomoved as they are a "non issue".

    Or like men saying womens health is a non issue (another one that is getting nailed at the mo)



  • @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/05/transgender-bathrooms-suicide/483351/

    Further to the "its a non-issue!"



  • @gollum said in US Politics:

    @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/05/transgender-bathrooms-suicide/483351/

    Further to the "its a non-issue!"

    What a load of clap trap Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'? Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.



  • It's up to individual states to determine how they choose to handle this topic. Obama shouldn't have gotten involved, so I agree with reversing it.

    I tend to lean more towards Baron's point of view. It's seems very politicall minded how we treat people who believe they are in the wrong gender. It seems to be very quick to prescribe hormones or intervene surgically, but for things like anorexia and body dysmorphia we treat it as an illness.



  • @Kirwan said in US Politics:

    It's up to individual states to determine how they choose to handle this topic. Obama shouldn't have gotten involved, so I agree with reversing it.

    If it should even be state level. The closer to the poo the decision is made the better.

    On this specific Obama order, part of the problem is that it was terribly written. I don't see many people defending the order based on what is in it. The defences seem to be based on feelings and virtue signalling.



  • Remembering which state or county you're allowed to use your preferred shitter would need a guide book or app. Unless they all want to pay taxes to have signs installed?



  • @NTA said in US Politics:

    Remembering which state or county you're allowed to use your preferred shitter would need a guide book or app. Unless they all want to pay taxes to have signs installed?

    This is about school bathrooms



  • I still don't get it. If you are trans man but identify as a woman i would assume you would at least try to look like a woman so what is the issue about going into a womans bathroom. You might get stares depending on how far along you are but that would happen anyway. I've only been friends with two trans people both female moving to male. One was older and pretty much a blokey bloke and the other fairly new but she dressed so mannish that you wouldn't make a public guess that she was really a she. At my current job however there is a mail room person, apparently a guy becoming a woman..except he wears army boots, has long straggly white hair, is unshaven, walks like a bloke, talks like a bloke. In fact he is literately a bloke in every aspect except for a weird dress which he clearly just picked up from the local op shop. For starters the dress isn't appropriate for a corporate office but somehow he gets a pass on it. I know if he walked inti a womans lockerroom it would freak ladies out....but again there are no bathroom security guards nor should there be.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @gollum said in US Politics:

    @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/05/transgender-bathrooms-suicide/483351/

    Further to the "its a non-issue!"

    What a load of clap trap Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'? Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.

    whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?



  • @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @gollum said in US Politics:

    @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/05/transgender-bathrooms-suicide/483351/

    Further to the "its a non-issue!"

    What a load of clap trap Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'? Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.

    whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?

    Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???



  • @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @gollum said in US Politics:

    @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/05/transgender-bathrooms-suicide/483351/

    Further to the "its a non-issue!"

    What a load of clap trap Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'? Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.

    whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?

    In my above examples I would say mail room bloke definitely mental issues. Older female to male guy definitely not and unsure on the newer female to male, only knew them for a short while pre facebook. Anyone else here know any transgender folk to give some anecdotal evidence on the mental illness angle? Being gay was classified in the DSM-IV as late as the 80's. No idea how much different this is and my sample size of 3 doesn't give a whole lot of insight.



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  • @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    I still don't get it. If you are trans man but identify as a woman i would assume you would at least try to look like a woman so what is the issue about going into a womans bathroom. You might get stares depending on how far along you are but that would happen anyway. I've only been friends with two trans people both female moving to male. One was older and pretty much a blokey bloke and the other fairly new but she dressed so mannish that you wouldn't make a public guess that she was really a she.

    So they'd just get treated as if they were lesbians.



  • @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    @Crucial said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @gollum said in US Politics:

    @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/05/transgender-bathrooms-suicide/483351/

    Further to the "its a non-issue!"

    What a load of clap trap Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'? Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.

    whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?

    In my above examples I would say mail room bloke definitely mental issues. Older female to male guy definitely not and unsure on the newer female to male, only knew them for a short while pre facebook. Anyone else here know any transgender folk to give some anecdotal evidence on the mental illness angle? Being gay was classified in the DSM-IV as late as the 80's. No idea how much different this is and my sample size of 3 doesn't give a whole lot of insight.

    that's the thing with all this stuff - it is pretty much an arbitrary line drawn by society, and that line shifts over time.

    in medical and evolutionary survival of the species type terms, being gay is a negative. obviously as far as humanity at present goes, overpopulation is an issue rather than the other way around, but a high rate of homosexuality in, say, panda or takahe might be a problem - it is inarguably a defect in the way that animals which sexually reproduce are meant to function.

    where people get all silly is in thinking that someone having the gay is a big deal - it doesn't mean they should be treated differently to anyone else, and it should not be a reason to assume there are other issues - likewise trannys. many of the other issues that these folk are likely to present are likely to be as a result of their different treatment, or fear at people's reactions - i.e. these are issues caused by other people / society.

    how many trannys are there in american schools anyway?



  • Maybe the real solution is to replace the words 'Female' and 'Male' on bathroom doors with a picture of a vag and a cock'n'balls with specific facilities to suit the two sexes.


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    @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    Maybe the real solution is to replace the words 'Female' and 'Male' on bathroom doors with a picture of a vag and a cock'n'balls with specific facilities to suit the two sexes.

    What about non-binary people? Or people who believe they should have a cock or a vag but haven't installed one yet? What about them Mr bigot?



  • And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!

    Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? 🤔 Seem to remember reading that somewhere.



  • who uses stinky public toilets anyway, sheesh!



  • @NTA said in US Politics:

    And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!

    Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? 🤔 Seem to remember reading that somewhere.

    It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets



  • @Stockcar86 said in US Politics:

    @NTA said in US Politics:

    And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!

    Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? 🤔 Seem to remember reading that somewhere.

    It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets

    Dont be racist



  • @Stockcar86 said in US Politics:

    @NTA said in US Politics:

    And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!

    Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? 🤔 Seem to remember reading that somewhere.

    It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets

    Or they let their dogs shit and piss there



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel ok maybe a picture of c & b and under it some instructions. 1) Look between your legs. 2) Does it look like this picture 3) if yes come in, if no look at the next door and follow instructions.


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    @Rembrandt said in US Politics:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel ok maybe a picture of c & b and under it some instructions. 1) Look between your legs. 2) Does it look like this picture 3) if yes come in, if no look at the next door and follow instructions.

    And what if they're blind you small-minded fascist? How about some braille?


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