US Politics



  • @rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:

    @antipodean said in US Politics:

    @rancid-schnitzel I feel somewhat dirty defending her, but there's a world of difference between calling someone a cunt and choosing as Barr did, to use racism.

    I wasn't actually comparing what was said as such, but if you want racism check out Joy Reid. Oh that's right, her account was "hacked".

    Sorry, I didn't mean to give the implication that you did. I've just seen it and your post reminded me of it.

    As usual Tim Blair hits the nail on the head:

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/the-joy-of-complete-leftoid-immunity/news-story/b9f86482d6ea447cbf41895986c0d2e3

    That just reflects poorly on MSNBC.

    @baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:

    @antipodean said in US Politics:

    @rancid-schnitzel I feel somewhat dirty defending her, but there's a world of difference between calling someone a cunt and choosing as Barr did, to use racism.

    Why?

    Abusing someone on their character is different from making judgments about others on the basis of the way they look. One you have control over.

    I think both are bad. And that is ignoring the incestuous implications Bee also made... which takes it to a whole new level.

    I like the suggestion made that the recipient of the insult should decide if an apology is sufficient.

    I don't. There's a good reason that we don't permit the victims of crime to determine the punishment. If individuals don't like the apology, they're welcome to seek civil redress as difficult as that is in the USA.



  • @rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:

    I wasn't actually comparing what was said as such, but if you want racism check out Joy Reid. Oh that's right, her account was "hacked".

    Allegedly — according to Joy Ann herself — “hacked” by time-travelling hackers.



  • @antipodean said in US Politics:

    @rancid-schnitzel I feel somewhat dirty defending her, but there's a world of difference between calling someone a cunt and choosing as Barr did, to use racism.

    I’ve seen her for many-many years and it never crossed my mind she was African-American, I thought she might have been Hispanic, Filipino or even Mediterannean/Sicilian or Portuguese (y’know, European)



  • Rasmussen poll:

    Among all likely voters, 51% think it’s likely senior federal law enforcement officials broke the law in an effort to stop Trump, with 36% who say it’s Very Likely.

    #woke

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2018/most_gop_voters_say_feds_very_likely_broke_the_law_to_stop_trump



  • @salacious-crumb Interesting. Rasmussen is the polling that most favours Trump..but then again it was also pretty much the closest for calling the election too (Hillary by a smidgen)



  • Posted less than 10 minutes ago. Hmmm, that repeatedly-delayed Inspector General report is due real-real soon, he knows something, and McCabe is pleading for immunity for his testimony or else he will invoke the 5th Amendment. This is about to get real juicy...

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  • In other news, US ambassador playing a little loosely with his role in Europe, and not really helping to get the relationship with Germany back on track.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-trump-ambassador-expelled-mp-demand-richard-grenell-brietbart-a8384121.html



  • @gt12 said in US Politics:

    In other news, US ambassador playing a little loosely with his role in Europe, and not really helping to get the relationship with Germany back on track.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-trump-ambassador-expelled-mp-demand-richard-grenell-brietbart-a8384121.html

    This bullshit was discredited and fully debunked as exactly that — cow pucky — about three days ago. Grenell said NOTHING of the sort. Hyperventilating Never-Trump “journalists” took to twitter in their usual way, twisting non-existent quotes into an existential crisis, and other liberal journalists piled on with their usual manufactured outrage without even bothering to read the source material. It’s stupefying how journalists refuse to learn their lesson as they drag their profession into the toilet. And isn’t it just a little bit too precious (and convenient) that the Independent has several links in their article BUT NOT ONE to the original Breitbart article for readers to see the comments for themselves, in context, and draw their own conclusions without being led by the nose?

    More here:

    “German media also published the interview with some publications like Die Welt offering similar coverage to their U.S. and UK media counterparts while the English-language version of Handelsblatt ran a headline claiming the Ambassador was seeking “regime change”, despite this not having been said, nor anything even remotely close to this being suggested by Grenell. Having claimed Grenell wanted to seek “regime change” in the headline, the paper then credited the controversial term in their copy to a comment from a member of the far-left German Die Linke party.

    “After criticism, Handelsblatt subsequently removed the quote from their headline.”

    [...]

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/06/04/media-smear-grenell-after-breitbart-interview-conservatives-donald-trump-jr-defend-ambassador/



  • Here’s the link to the ACTUAL article that is making pearl-clutching liberals lose their shit. That would be the article that The Independent conveniently failed to link in their “report.” It’s a v-e-r-y short article, takes about a minute to read:

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/06/03/trumps-right-hand-man-in-europe-wants-to-empower-european-anti-establishment-conservatives/

    And here are ALL of the ambassador (Grenells)’s DEPLORABLE and SCANDALOUS comments, VERBATIM:

    “There are a lot of conservatives throughout Europe who have contacted me to say they are feeling there is a resurgence going on.”

    “I absolutely want to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders. I think there is a groundswell of conservative policies that are taking hold because of the failed policies of the left.”

    “There’s no question about that and it’s an exciting time for me. I look across the landscape and we’ve got a lot of work to do but I think the election of Donald Trump has empowered individuals and people to say that they can’t just allow the political class to determine before an election takes place, who’s going to win and who should run.” [...]

    “That’s a very powerful moment when you can grasp the ability to see past the group-think of a very small elitist crowd telling you you have no chance to win or you’ll never win, or they mock you early on.” [...]

    Unafraid to name names, Mr Grenell expressed a deep respect and admiration for the young Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz saying, “Look, I think Sebastian Kurz is a rockstar. I’m a big fan.”

    That’s it. ALL of it. OMG, crisis!!!!! Expel this man, IMMEDIATELY, ffs.



  • Not exactly U.S. politics, but not irrelevant in this time & place. A very under-the-radar story that globalists and liberals in the press — the Trump-hating American press especially — aren’t in an especially big hurry to report. Just a few days ago Turkey completed construction of a 764-KM border wall with Syria. They’re going to complete their wall along the Iranian border by the end of next year. It was paid by the European Union. Something to consider the next time you hear globalists and liberals insisting that Trump’s wall will never work, it’s too costly, too fascistic, too xenophobic, etc.

    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/syria-turkey-border-wall-completed-1.738637



  • @salacious-crumb said in US Politics:

    Not exactly U.S. politics, but not irrelevant in this time & place. A very under-the-radar story that globalists and liberals in the press — the Trump-hating American press especially — aren’t in an especially big hurry to report. Just a few days ago Turkey completed construction of a 764-KM border wall with Syria. They’re going to complete their wall along the Iranian border by the end of next year. It was paid by the European Union. Something to consider the next time you hear globalists and liberals insisting that Trump’s wall will never work, it’s too costly, too fascistic, too xenophobic, etc.

    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/syria-turkey-border-wall-completed-1.738637

    Fake news! Only war criminal Israel builds walls to keep Arab nutters out. Everybody knows this.



  • @jc Well if a liberal, secular democracy like Turkey can do it we definitely shouldn't criticize the US.



  • @calf said in US Politics:

    @jc Well if a liberal, secular democracy like Turkey can do it we definitely shouldn't criticize the US.

    So security walls should be banned in secular democracies. ....



  • @baron-silas-greenback Did I say that? I was just pointing out that using Turkey as an example isn't a good argument for supporting the policy of a first world country.

    The argument also ignores the context that Turkey has ISIS terrorists trying to cross the border as well as the Peshmerga and Iranians to deal with.



  • @calf said in US Politics:

    @baron-silas-greenback Did I say that? I was just pointing out that using Turkey as an example isn't a good argument for supporting the policy of a first world country.

    The argument also ignores the context that Turkey has ISIS terrorists trying to cross the border as well as the Peshmerga and Iranians to deal with.

    @Calf Why isnt Turkey a good example of using a wall to keep out peoplethat you don't want? Because they follow a different religion to the U.S.?

    Not sure how the contecxt proves your point...

    Actually what is your point? Apart from the facile one that Turkey and the U.S. are different.



  • @baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:

    @calf said in US Politics:

    @baron-silas-greenback Did I say that? I was just pointing out that using Turkey as an example isn't a good argument for supporting the policy of a first world country.

    The argument also ignores the context that Turkey has ISIS terrorists trying to cross the border as well as the Peshmerga and Iranians to deal with.

    @Calf Why isnt Turkey a good example of using a wall to keep out peoplethat you don't want? Because they follow a different religion to the U.S.?

    Not sure how the contecxt proves your point...

    Actually what is your point? Apart from the facile one that Turkey and the U.S. are different.

    I would assume the point @Calf was countering in suggesting Turkey is not a good example was this statement "Something to consider the next time you hear globalists and liberals insisting that Trump’s wall will never work, it’s too costly, too fascistic, too xenophobic, etc."



  • @calf said in US Politics:

    @jc Well if a liberal, secular democracy like Turkey can do it we definitely shouldn't criticize the US.

    Again; who paid for it? If you happen to live in the liberal secular European Union, then YOU did.



  • @calf said in US Politics:

    @baron-silas-greenback Did I say that? I was just pointing out that using Turkey as an example isn't a good argument for supporting the policy of a first world country.

    The argument also ignores the context that Turkey has ISIS terrorists trying to cross the border as well as the Peshmerga and Iranians to deal with.

    And if you didn’t read the story (rhetorical point: you clearly didn’t) then you would have known it’s not just Turkey.

    Here’s a report in The Independent, published a week BEFORE Trump won the U.S. election:

    Brick and mortars: Walls are being raised across Europe to keep migrants out

    Europe was once home to the world’s most open frontiers. But with the mass flow of migrants fleeing war-torn countries, much has changed. In the second piece of a three-part series, we look at the walls sealing the continent’s doors shut

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/brick-and-mortars-a7367831.html

    2nd point: Turkey is a part of NATO, meaning, they get into a conflict, then everybody else in NATO gets pulled in to defend their liberal, secular arses.



  • @catogrande

    Likewise, more than a YEAR before Trump was elected and vilified as the worst-of-the-worst:

    Europe is building more fences to keep people out

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/28/map-the-walls-europe-is-building-to-keep-people-out/?utm_term=.34ec590fa412



  • The long-awaited DOJ IG Report is finally out. Fasten your seatbelts. The sleaze is oozing...