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<p>Whats this about a planned parenting video that Harpy Fiorina claims to have seen but no one else can even prove exists?</p>
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<p>Its actually pretty solid, proven tactics. Palin did it with "Death Panels" in the lead up to Obamacare</p>
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<p>Basically during the debate she said that people would be pro life if they had seen the research she'd seen, including a video of a live fetus being kept alive so they could harvest its organs. It had a BIG impact on the debates. She alluded to the idea so beloved by the nutjobs that she knew more than you & thus her view was more important as she'd seen ALL the data, you were basing your silly ideas on just a few things. Because she was special / smart she had her info from places you coiuyldn't get it, not as Palin said "the lame-stream media"</p>
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<p>Now, when it turns out that video doesn't actually exist, she is simply saying "Are you categorically saying that never happens?" And no reporter will touch that with a bargepole, and neither will any candidate, as yeah, fetus are probably harvasted while still alive, almost ALL transplant surgery happens while the donor is still alive. Organs starved of blood (and therefore oxygen) deteriorate badley. If you've had a kidney transplant theres a good chance that</p>
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<p>All it really needs is an attack dog reporter to say "does that video exist or did you lie to the Amewrican people?" then when she goes off on one say "so you lied. You stood up infront of America & flat out lied about that video to score poiints".</p>
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<p>I found this , its a bit extreme but doesnt prove Fiorina right. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/ten-planned-parenthood-videos-order-dems-watch/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social'>http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/ten-planned-parenthood-videos-order-dems-watch/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social</a></p>
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<p>I found this , its a bit extreme but doesnt prove Fiorina right. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/ten-planned-parenthood-videos-order-dems-watch/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social'>http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/ten-planned-parenthood-videos-order-dems-watch/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social</a></p>
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<p>Thats classic playbook. Avoid the fact that the video she described does not exist, show other videos that are not nice. By the time folks have watched those they will feel they have seen the video Fiorena described. Or at least fully buy its out there.</p>
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<p>The Planned Parenthood video controversy is an awful story, so awful that it does't require a bald-faced hoax to prove the abuse and horror of it. The Girl Who Cries Wolf runs the risk of trivializing the issue. </p>
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<p> I can't believe significant numbers of Americans would vote for this guy. What is wrong, have they taken total leave of their senses?</p>
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<p>National Review, prominent conservative magazine, despises Trump. They've been hysterical and called his followers idiots and racists, etc. for months. Over the past week Trump's polling numbers have bumped up again. Carson & Fiorina's numbers have started falling. National Review is belatedly asking the question you've asked. They still don't like him. But they're starting to realize why a lot of people do like him.</p>
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<p>Some excerpts, published today:</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">It’s almost impossible to fathom what an unusual candidate Donald Trump is. </span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">[...]</span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">The most elemental reason for Trump’s rise is that over the decades he has built a nearly universally recognized brand associated with toughness and success, and many Americans worry that we are running out of both. Trump’s business is being famous — and he’s really good at it. To be a media fixture for some 30 years in New York (the media capital of the world), always finding the next new thing even when the last thing hasn’t worked out so well, is no small feat. It speaks to a shrewdness, a drive, and a shamelessness that few can match. </span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">When Trump brought these attributes to the Republican presidential race, it was like the ace major-league pitcher’s getting sent down to Double-A on a rehab assignment, or an accomplished Broadway actor’s showing up at the community theater. He had skills no one else could hope to match and was bigger than the stage. What is an unassuming midwestern governor compared with the star of a long-running TV program, the builder and marketer of skyscrapers with his name on them, and the “author†of multiple bestsellers?</span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">[...]</span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">Trump is an enormous rude gesture directed at this PC norm in American life. When he didn’t back down but doubled down, when he didn’t quail in the face of Univision’s dropping his beauty pageant but sued the network for $500 million, Republicans wanted to stand and cheer. It wasn’t just the spiritedness of it, it was the feeling that Trump’s steadfastness in the face of the onslaught meant that the Left’s cultural power was a little less sweeping than had been thought.</span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">Among the most consequential forms of political correctness — in the sense of the use of social pressure to suppress the expression of widespread and legitimate viewpoints — has been the failure of leaders in almost any field of American life to give voice to discontent about mass immigration. [...] </span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">He had hit a rich vein. Immigration is one of the issues on which the elites in both parties are most out of touch with popular sentiment. Very few Americans want more immigration, but politicians in both parties have favored “comprehensive immigration reform†that entails it — and have rarely debated its merits. Most measures to enforce the immigration laws, on the other hand, are overwhelmingly popular. </span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">[...]</span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">Since immigration policy has been one long string of false promises from the political class (one assurance after another on enforcement hasn’t been met), Trump’s can-do braggadocio strikes a chord. The less he sounds like most politicians, the more credible and plausible he seems. [...]</span></span></span></p>
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<p>The whole thing is worth a read, they have a few other reasons.</p>
<p> <br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425010/donald-trump-lowry-ponnuru'><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:16px;">http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425010/donald-trump-lowry-ponnuru</span></a></p>
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<p>What was the CNN debate like? Fiorina apparently won it and the her campaign has picked up some more financial backing from it <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/09/17/this-answer-won-carly-fiorina-the-debate/'>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/09/17/this-answer-won-carly-fiorina-the-debate/</a></p>
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<p>What was the CNN debate like? Fiorina apparently won it and the her campaign has picked up some more financial backing from it <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/09/17/this-answer-won-carly-fiorina-the-debate/'>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/09/17/this-answer-won-carly-fiorina-the-debate/</a></p>
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<p>She won only in the minds of mindless journalists. She acted like she knew what she was talking about (<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/41177-us-election-thread-2016/?p=519068'>nonsensical military saber-rattling</a> and <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/41177-us-election-thread-2016/?p=521651'>non-existent scary abortion videos</a>), but the political-class media (a.k.a. "Villagers" or "Potemkin on the Potomac") fell in love with her because they despise Trump and she started the debate taking a swing at The Donald, and they oohed-and-ahhed about how "tough" she was (the link you provided called it the "knockout moment," which is stretching things way too hard), how she she supposedly "put Donald in his place," and predicting that her star would ascend as Donald lost his support.</p>
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<p>That was the conventional narrative for about a day.</p>
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<p>Ooooh, investigative journalism! The National Enquirer is on the case.</p>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Judging by White House wannabe Ben Carson’s track record as a neurosurgeon, his presidential campaign should be declared dead on arrival!</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">In a <strong>bombshell investigation</strong> into his medical career, The National ENQUIRER has exclusively learned the now retired doc allegedly butchered one patient’s brain — and EVEN left a sponge in another’s skull!</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">According to at least six malpractice lawsuits against Carson obtained by The ENQUIRER, the Republican candidate allegedly rushed patients into surgery, and brandished a scalpel like a meat cleaver!</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">“He’s totally untrustworthy!†one former patient, Karly Bailey, told The ENQUIRER. The Florida woman claimed Carson spent “maybe 14 minutes†with her and her parents before performing a delicate brain tumor operation that ruined her life at age 9.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">“My parents told him they weren’t authorizing him to remove the whole tumor because of the risk,†said Karly, now 27.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">“But he did what he goddamned pleased! He tried to remove all of the tumor, and injured my nerves and brain stem.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">“I was paralyzed on my right side. I’ve never fully recovered. I have chronic fatigue, and my eyes dance around. It’s like having permanent vertigo. My face droops and people are really cruel.â€</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Karly’s family slapped Carson — then director of pediatric neurosurgery at Baltimore’s Johns Hopkins Hospital — with a lawsuit.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">But in a 2011 affidavit, Carson shockingly called Karly’s post-op problems “unavoidable.â€</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The conservative candidate, 64, built his medical reputation on being the first surgeon to successfully separate twins conjoined at the head.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">But The ENQUIRER uncovered complaints about the married father of three dating back to 1986 — a year before his success with the twins.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">One alleged bungled operation involved a patient identified as John P. Sparco. In court papers, he claimed Carson and three other surgeons operated on him to remove what they claimed was a deadly tumor.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The tiny tumor turned out to be benign and non–life-threatening. But during the procedure, he suffered “irreversible†injuries, including deafness in one ear, dizziness and slurred speech.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">His lawyer said: “To strangers he appears to be drunk.â€</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Carson was slammed for another alleged botched surgery in 1999. After he operated on a girl from Michigan, X-rays taken later at another hospital found the patient’s severe post-op pain was the result of a shunt that was put in “upside down.â€</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">In another horrifying case, a 69-year-old Florida woman claimed her eardrums were perforated during a 2008 operation for facial pain performed by Carson’s team.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">When the pain recurred, Carson told the patient, Darlene King, that she might have a tumor. But surgery revealed the lump was actually “a sponge he had left in (her) brainâ€!</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Yet another Florida woman, Merryl Reynolds, accused Carson of negligence during 2010 spinal surgery on her 15-year-old son, Austin. He “is now paralyzed from the waist down,†she claimed.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Maryland patient Mary Perna, 58, consulted Carson in 1994 for side effects of multiple sclerosis. According to Mary, he said the cure was brain surgery.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">When the surgery did nothing to help, she claimed Carson came into her hospital room “in a highly agitated state,†and admitted he hadn’t reviewed pre-op MRIs. He allegedly said that if he had, “We never would have done the (surgery).â€</span></div>
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<div><span style="color:#000000;"><strong><span style="font-size:14px;">In March 2013, Carson announced he was retiring as a surgeon, saying: </span></strong></span><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong><span style="font-size:14px;">“I’d much rather quit when I’m at the top of my game.â€</span></strong></span></div>
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<div><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/bungling-surgeon-ben-carson-left-sponge-patients-brain'>http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/bungling-surgeon-ben-carson-left-sponge-patients-brain</a></div> -
<p>A couple of good pieces in the <em>Spectator </em>this week.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/sorry-america-but-it-looks-like-joe-biden-is-your-next-president/'>http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/sorry-america-but-it-looks-like-joe-biden-is-your-next-president/</a></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/why-carly-fiorina-probably-cant-save-the-republicans/'>http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/why-carly-fiorina-probably-cant-save-the-republicans/</a></p> -
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<p>In a litigious country like the US, 6 is probably a very low number, particularly when you consider the nature of his work.</p>
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<p>In a litigious country like the US, 6 is probably a very low number, particularly when you consider the nature of his work.</p>
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<p>Seems like Biden is killing everyone in the polls at the moment. Now THAT is disturbing.</p>
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<p>I was wondering about whether or not most doctors have the occasional suit against them as a matter of course. You should read the spectator link Tim posted ,Biden has some appeal apparently.</p> -
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I was wondering about whether or not most doctors have the occasional suit against them as a matter of course. You should read the spectator link Tim posted ,Biden has some appeal apparently.</p></blockquote>
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<p>This is true. I hear stories that when you go to the hospital the doctors will order a wave of tests, not always because they feel you need them but because they don't want to be in the gun in the event that you actually have some other medical problem which will give you some foothold to litigate</p> -
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<p>Yep, I can confirm that one too CF. when I got a second opinion from a US doc last year, he suggested a ridiculous amount of tests. When I asked why, he explained the same reason. That's a real problem, because insurance.</p>
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<p>Basically doctors can't do their job and follow their instincts through fear. Hospital costs go up, no wonder you can't afford to go if you don't have insurance</p>
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