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  • Frankly being a bit of a traditionalist I was not initially a fan of changing the flag.
    And I still feel the process is arse about face. Perhaps the question should have been "do you want to change?" And then proceed with the process to find the alternative.
    Anyway it's down to 40.https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/
    What's people's opinions?
    Should we change?
    Which do you like?
    I'm a fan of this one:



  • Your choice is probably the one I like the best.  Retains many of the features of the current flag with the silver fern thrown in



  • I think if they asked if we wanted the change most would have said 'no' without really exploring our options, this way there is a proper..if not incredibly costly debate.
    I'm for the change, also like the Kyle Lockwood design except I prefer the other colour variations,red/black as a nod toward Maori
    https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/design/2170
    or blue/black representing the Pacific ocean
    https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/design/2172
    Veitchy on Sport put up a colour option I liked even more than the above but unfortunately it didn't make the 40





  • I think if they asked if we wanted the change most would have said 'no' without really exploring our options, this way there is a proper..if not incredibly costly debate.
    I'm for the change, also like the Kyle Lockwood design except I prefer the other colour variations,red/black as a nod toward Maorihttps://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/design/2170
    or blue/black representing the Pacific oceanhttps://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/design/2172
    Veitchy on Sport put up a colour option I liked even more than the above but unfortunately it didn't make the 40Those colours remind me of those terrible BCs uniforms from the Fleming era
    I saw Booboo's choice with black in the upper left instead of red, that's pretty smart too



  • I picked the one Booboo went for as well. Not because it appeases various parties but because it looks good, nods to the past and present etc. 
    Black or mainly black flags simply don't look good from a distance and the classic Silver Fern white on black loses everything when hanging on an upright pole.
    I think I like the RWB one with the fern as it shows a breakaway from being a 'colony' of the UK, maintains the history of those colours and adds a recognisable symbol.
    I also really like a few of the others as designs but being complete changes from any flag progression I think they are a step too far.
     
    My final 3 would be the one Booboo linked too, the red, white and black version of the same, and this one
     
    https://www.govt.nz/assets/flags-designs/20512-cayford-crayford-flag-14-v1.jpg



  • Read an excellent comment on facebook regarding the 40 shortlisted designs.
     
    "These all look like logo options for a provincial freight company done by the owners son"



  • Surprisngly (for me) I prefer a few of them with the Koru.
     
    The thing I don't like about the one you're a fan of, booboo is that for some reasoon it reminds me of Labour v National instead of what it is intended to represent.
     
    I'm also happy for status quo.



  • Read an excellent comment on facebook regarding the 40 shortlisted designs.
     
    "These all look like logo options for a provincial freight company done by the owners son"

    Great quip, but in reality don't most flags?
     
    Our current one is basically a blue flag with 4 stars and the 'standard at the time' indicator that we were part of the old empire.
     
    As for the silly 'we fought under that flag' comments, sorry but others before you fought under other flags for the same cause. The current flag is not our first. Besides, show me the photos of NZ troops fighting under an NZ flag. I can't recall seeing many. It's hardly iconic.
    Hopefully those that fought for our country also fought for our freedom including the freedom to change, adapt and evolve under our own steam. That includes changing the flag if we want to.



  • Surprisngly (for me) I prefer a few of them with the Koru.
    The thing I don't like about the one you're a fan of, booboo is that for some reasoon it reminds me of Labour v National instead of what it is intended to represent.
    I'm also happy for status quo.

    That's a good point, I prefer the red and black anyway the blue is a link to the old flag .



  • Unless the new flag is a silver fern with a black background they should bloody leave it alone. Those alternative flags look like something school kids would create using Microsoft Paint.



  • I'm with Rancid, Silver Fern on black for me - after all it's the flag most associated with NZ these days.
     
    Although TBH that one posted by Rembrandt is not as ugly as all the other options - I think it's the black that helps it.



  • Sooo what is the actual point of changing the flag? Do advocates of changing the flag support NZ becoming a republic?
     
    Personally I don't really like any of the designs. The one Rembrandt posted looks pretty good, but didn't make the top 40. And we don't even get to vote on the top 40, it will be reduced to the top 4.



  • I just like the current one.



  • Unimpressive bunch of flags, although I favour red and black over any other colour scheme if only it means we can all sing that Les Miserables song.
     
    I've always favoured changing the flag but I don't want us having to change it 20 years down the road because we realised our options were lacking/boring in 2015.
     
    Personally I've always liked the Tino Rangatiratanga flag. Yeah some don't like the politics linked with it but fuck it, it's a cool flag.



  • I'm with RS and Nepia. I'd prefer the black flag with a silver fern, and fuck how it looks on a pole.
    (I'd also approve of a black fern on a white flag, and the red/blue one is better than what we currently have).



  • Unimpressive bunch of flags, although I favour red and black over any other colour scheme if only it means we can all sing that Les Miserables song.
     
    I've always favoured changing the flag but I don't want us having to change it 20 years down the road because we realised our options were lacking/boring in 2015.
     
    Personally I've always liked the Tino Rangatiratanga flag. Yeah some don't like the politics linked with it but fuck it, it's a cool flag.

    I think it is a hideous flag!
     
    Funny thing is, when in Rotorua, I never met one Maori that that recognised it as "their flag"



  • I just like the current one.

    Same here.
     
    I am also indifferent about the need for change.



  • I was indifferent too, until I saw some of these designs - some of them are fantastic, and I know this sounds like bullshit, but I actually feel more patriotic towards the country just by looking at them.  This is my favourite.  A nod to the past, a nod to now and in a modern colour scheme.  Beautiful.
     
    https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/design/2172



  • I don't know what it is but I actually have something against have a sporting identity as representitive of our entire nation.
     
    I know it is a big part of us but I don't identify NZ being the land of sports, which is what the fern means to me


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