British Politics



  • @Frank said in British Politics:

    Have there been any noises about taking down statues of Churchill?

    Proud defenders of Western civilization who were rude must be their targets.

    Have you read any of this thread?

    Churchill is going nowhere, assure you of that. The violence and riots this would cause will be truly direction changing for the country. And proper direction changing, not the papering over cracks that the current BLM protests / responses are.



  • Useful video for countering pronoun-isis propaganda



  • Lefty twat Pie.

    Absolutely nails it again.



  • @MajorRage said in British Politics:

    @Frank said in British Politics:

    Have there been any noises about taking down statues of Churchill?

    Proud defenders of Western civilization who were rude must be their targets.

    Have you read any of this thread?

    Churchill is going nowhere, assure you of that. The violence and riots this would cause will be truly direction changing for the country. And proper direction changing, not the papering over cracks that the current BLM protests / responses are.

    Chatted in the last few days with a old friend who's a Sikh when BLM came up. He's very involved in community stuff particularly police liaison & the Armed Forces - his Dad was in the British Army.

    Very, very concerned where all the BLM/Race activism is heading and is seeing a lot of anti-Asian sentiment being openly discussed, with Asians being seen as racist and a big part of "the problem". Seen as too successful, not having the correct political views and weilding too much power in society. Police have been warning about attacks on statues/plaques of Ghandi, and providing safety advice to Temples, etc

    Thinks there's a real danger it's on it's way to becoming mainstream sentiment akin to ant-Israeli views being used as cover for anti-semitism.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:

    @MajorRage said in British Politics:

    @Frank said in British Politics:

    Have there been any noises about taking down statues of Churchill?

    Proud defenders of Western civilization who were rude must be their targets.

    Have you read any of this thread?

    Churchill is going nowhere, assure you of that. The violence and riots this would cause will be truly direction changing for the country. And proper direction changing, not the papering over cracks that the current BLM protests / responses are.

    Chatted in the last few days with a old friend who's a Sikh when BLM came up. He's very involved in community stuff particularly police liaison & the Armed Forces - his Dad was in the British Army.

    Very, very concerned where all the BLM/Race activism is heading and is seeing a lot of anti-Asian sentiment being openly discussed, with Asians being seen as racist and a big part of "the problem". Seen as too successful, not having the correct political views and weilding too much power in society. Police have been warning about attacks on statues/plaques of Ghandi, and providing safety advice to Temples, etc

    Thinks there's a real danger it's on it's way to becoming mainstream sentiment akin to ant-Israeli views being used as cover for anti-semitism.

    Anti-Asian from BLM supporters?

    Or from Far Right groups?



  • @MiketheSnow said in British Politics:

    Anti-Asian from BLM supporters?
    Or from Far Right groups?

    From the Left.

    Anti-Hindu comments in particular from BLM activists & Labour Party members.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:

    @MiketheSnow said in British Politics:

    Anti-Asian from BLM supporters?
    Or from Far Right groups?

    From the Left.

    Anti-Hindu comments in particular from BLM activists & Labour Party members.

    Are they that fucking thick or is it showing the movement to be the sham it is?



  • @MiketheSnow said in British Politics:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:

    @MiketheSnow said in British Politics:

    Anti-Asian from BLM supporters?
    Or from Far Right groups?

    From the Left.

    Anti-Hindu comments in particular from BLM activists & Labour Party members.

    Are they that fucking thick or is it showing the movement to be the sham it is?

    There's been a few articles in the mainstream press (Guardian, Independent) pushing the notion that Asians who emigrated to Africa from India held racist attitudes and were complicit in slavery and "race crimes" and when they emigrated from Africa to the UK they brought their racist attitudes with them.

    They are economically successful, hold traditional views, support right-wing economics and hold senior positions in a Tory government. Anathema to many BLM supporters, I'd say.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:

    @MiketheSnow said in British Politics:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:

    @MiketheSnow said in British Politics:

    Anti-Asian from BLM supporters?
    Or from Far Right groups?

    From the Left.

    Anti-Hindu comments in particular from BLM activists & Labour Party members.

    Are they that fucking thick or is it showing the movement to be the sham it is?

    There's been a few articles in the mainstream press (Guardian, Independent) pushing the notion that Asians who emigrated to Africa from India held racist attitudes and were complicit in slavery and "race crimes" and when they emigrated from Africa to the UK they brought their racist attitudes with them.

    They are economically successful, hold traditional views, support right-wing economics and hold senior positions in a Tory government. Anathema to many BLM supporters, I'd say.

    They have also latched onto some of Gandi's less than favourable comments about black people too.



  • @junior said in British Politics:

    They have also latched onto some of Gandi's less than favourable comments about black people too.

    Calls to remove 'racist' Gandhi statue in Leicester

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53025407



  • Defund



  • "see the countryside as being a white environment "

    That made me laugh. It's mostly green.



  • @Snowy said in British Politics:

    "see the countryside as being a white environment "

    That made me laugh. It's mostly green.

    Not after snow.

    Or when frosty.



  • @booboo said in British Politics:

    @Snowy said in British Politics:

    "see the countryside as being a white environment "

    That made me laugh. It's mostly green.

    Not after snow.

    Or when frosty.

    It still mostly identifies with green. Deep down anyway.



  • Actually does that make the countryside left wing, and we are surrounded by communists?

    McCarthyism is back.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:

    @junior said in British Politics:

    They have also latched onto some of Gandi's less than favourable comments about black people too.

    Calls to remove 'racist' Gandhi statue in Leicester

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53025407

    Well he was a racist misogynist. And he was Indian, not English so what's the problem?



  • @Rembrandt said in British Politics:

    Defund

    Eureka! Now I know why blonde haired, blue eyed Bonesetta is always trying to get me to go for a "nice walk" and I instantly recoil.



  • @Bones said in British Politics:

    @Rembrandt said in British Politics:

    Defund

    Eureka! Now I know why blonde haired, blue eyed Bonesetta is always trying to get me to go for a "nice walk" and I instantly recoil.

    Are you sure she's yours?



  • @pakman said in British Politics:

    @Bones said in British Politics:

    @Rembrandt said in British Politics:

    Defund

    Eureka! Now I know why blonde haired, blue eyed Bonesetta is always trying to get me to go for a "nice walk" and I instantly recoil.

    Are you sure she's yours?

    Around about 100% she's not! But I can understand you asking that question what with certain practices in the ME throughout the ages.



  • What did UK-based ferners make of the Chancellor's statement yday? Feels like we are in store for big tax hikes next year. Top rate to 60%? Over the pond, if Biden’s tax plan passes, a self-employed person in California or NYC will have a 66% top marginal rate.



  • @TeWaio said in British Politics:

    What did UK-based ferners make of the Chancellor's statement yday? Feels like we are in store for big tax hikes next year. Top rate to 60%? Over the pond, if Biden’s tax plan passes, a self-employed person in California or NYC will have a 66% top marginal rate.

    Goes against everything the Tories are about, so I just can't see it happening.

    I see a lot of changes to stealth taxes and also a huge reform of the NHS. The whole lot can be avoided if somebody would have the balls to make the NHS partially user pays.



  • Yeah I think we'll use that home improvements grant to deck out the house in new windows and then bugger off to Oz until you lot have paid for it.



  • @TeWaio said in British Politics:

    What did UK-based ferners make of the Chancellor's statement yday? Feels like we are in store for big tax hikes next year. Top rate to 60%? Over the pond, if Biden’s tax plan passes, a self-employed person in California or NYC will have a 66% top marginal rate.

    We already have an effective marginal rate of 60% at £100k as the personal allowance gets taken away. Having said that higher rates of personal tax have never been that effective at revenue raising. I agree with @MajorRage that we should expect a rise in stealth taxes. It would be great if Boris’ new deal generates increased tax revenues but that is likely to be a longer game.



  • @Catogrande said in British Politics:

    @TeWaio said in British Politics:

    What did UK-based ferners make of the Chancellor's statement yday? Feels like we are in store for big tax hikes next year. Top rate to 60%? Over the pond, if Biden’s tax plan passes, a self-employed person in California or NYC will have a 66% top marginal rate.

    We already have an effective marginal rate of 60% at £100k as the personal allowance gets taken away. Having said that higher rates of personal tax have never been that effective at revenue raising. I agree with @MajorRage that we should expect a rise in stealth taxes. It would be great if Boris’ new deal generates increased tax revenues but that is likely to be a longer game.

    Yeah the 120-125 zone is killer. If it wasn't for Brexit, you could be sure as shit that corporate tax would be going up.



  • @TeWaio said in British Politics:

    What did UK-based ferners make of the Chancellor's statement yday? Feels like we are in store for big tax hikes next year. Top rate to 60%? Over the pond, if Biden’s tax plan passes, a self-employed person in California or NYC will have a 66% top marginal rate.

    Top marginal rate in the UK is already 61% (45% Tax, 2% NI and 14% Employers NI). Higher if you include allowances being cut back once you reach 90K

    As a short-term measure, it's OK. But the level of tax increases needed in the future to pay for all the Covid & post GFC spending are going to be eye-watering.

    There's also a view that the current overall tax take - 45% - is very near the max an economy can sustain without stifling growth.

    Thank heavens our political class is so honest with the voters...





  • @Frank said in British Politics:

    Fuck Huawei ha ha

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/huawei-uk-ban-boris-johnson-5g-network-oliver-dowden-today-a9617886.html

    Watched the BBC 10pm News last night

    5 stories
    Huawei and 5G
    Ghislaine Maxwell Denied Bail
    Economic downturn in UK and unepmployment
    Blackburn next town to be locked down
    Queen talking to members of the armed forces via Zoom

    Surely to christ they should have led with

    Blackburn
    because if you don't sort your shit out the UK economy is going to get even worse

    then the other shit

    Huawei and 5G a smokescreen



  • @MiketheSnow I dunno, I'm quite enjoying the daily BBC "here's a unique/inconspicuous person/business/industry that the government has failed and is unemployed/out of business/bankrupt".

    Like the company that makes displays for festivals that earned £30mill last year and has done next to no business since March. HOW COULD YOU GOVERNMENT!



  • @MiketheSnow said in British Politics:

    @Frank said in British Politics:

    Fuck Huawei ha ha

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/huawei-uk-ban-boris-johnson-5g-network-oliver-dowden-today-a9617886.html

    Watched the BBC 10pm News last night

    5 stories
    Huawei and 5G
    Ghislaine Maxwell Denied Bail
    Economic downturn in UK and unepmployment
    Blackburn next town to be locked down
    Queen talking to members of the armed forces via Zoom

    Surely to christ they should have led with

    Blackburn
    because if you don't sort your shit out the UK economy is going to get even worse

    then the other shit

    Huawei and 5G a smokescreen

    You don't think missing off the world's only Super Power is the big story?



  • @MiketheSnow

    Used to be a really avid listener to BBC Radio 4 - particularly the Today programme as I drove to work. Found myself listening less and less after I gave up work.

    Tuned into Today a couple of months back. God, it was awful. Hectoring presenters looking for "gotchas" rather than insight and a lazy bias towards a London-centric viewpoint.

    The BBC really needs a kick up its arse if it's going to survive in its current form.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:

    @MiketheSnow

    Used to be a really avid listener to BBC Radio 4 - particularly the Today programme as I drove to work. Found myself listening less and less after I gave up work.

    Tuned into Today a couple of months back. God, it was awful. Hectoring presenters looking for "gotchas" rather than insight and a lazy bias towards a London-centric viewpoint.

    The BBC really needs a kick up its arse if it's going to survive in its current form.

    Completely agree. I moved over to Sky News but they are disappearing down the same "gotcha journalism" rabbit hole as well.

    Kay Burley / Sophy Ridge / Beth Rigby all used to be great and relatively impartial. Now every time they interview anyone it seems they are argumentative for the sake of it, and constantly play gotcha trying to put clickbait headline words in a politician's mouth:

    Sky: Thing X has happened. People Y are upset. Do you have an apology for People Y?
    Politician: Well, Thing X has some other important details/nuance, let me outline our position..
    Sky, interrupting: WILL YOU APOLOGISE TO PEOPLE Y?

    Next day Sky headline:
    POLITICIAN FORCED TO APOLOGISE / REFUSES TO APOLOGISE TO PEOPLE Y



  • @TeWaio said in British Politics:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:

    @MiketheSnow

    Used to be a really avid listener to BBC Radio 4 - particularly the Today programme as I drove to work. Found myself listening less and less after I gave up work.

    Tuned into Today a couple of months back. God, it was awful. Hectoring presenters looking for "gotchas" rather than insight and a lazy bias towards a London-centric viewpoint.

    The BBC really needs a kick up its arse if it's going to survive in its current form.

    Completely agree. I moved over to Sky News but they are disappearing down the same "gotcha journalism" rabbit hole as well.

    Kay Burley / Sophy Ridge / Beth Rigby all used to be great and relatively impartial. Now every time they interview anyone it seems they are argumentative for the sake of it, and constantly play gotcha trying to put clickbait headline words in a politician's mouth:

    Sky: Thing X has happened. People Y are upset. Do you have an apology for People Y?
    Politician: Well, Thing X has some other important details/nuance, let me outline our position..
    Sky, interrupting: WILL YOU APOLOGISE TO PEOPLE Y?

    Next day Sky headline:
    POLITICIAN FORCED TO APOLOGISE / REFUSES TO APOLOGISE ABOUT THING X.

    Totally agree.

    When Cummings made his statement in the No.10 garden, what really struck me was the almost complete lack of questioning of the bloke - just journalist after journalist queuing up for their moment in the limelight, foaming at the mouth and berating him for not agreeing with what they were accusing him of.

    Just a complete lack of professionalism.



  • @booboo said in British Politics:

    @MiketheSnow said in British Politics:

    @Frank said in British Politics:

    Fuck Huawei ha ha

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/huawei-uk-ban-boris-johnson-5g-network-oliver-dowden-today-a9617886.html

    Watched the BBC 10pm News last night

    5 stories
    Huawei and 5G
    Ghislaine Maxwell Denied Bail
    Economic downturn in UK and unepmployment
    Blackburn next town to be locked down
    Queen talking to members of the armed forces via Zoom

    Surely to christ they should have led with

    Blackburn
    because if you don't sort your shit out the UK economy is going to get even worse

    then the other shit

    Huawei and 5G a smokescreen

    You don't think missing off the world's only Super Power is the big story?

    Have they though?

    It's a plan by the current UK government for some time in the future when they may not be in power to enforce it.





  • @Bones said in British Politics:

    This should probably go in the stuff thread but oh well. Gold.

    Correct thread would be Stupid Shit You See On The Internet.....



  • Love the beeb right now, reporter being interviewed about this Russia report - "Well actually no-one has told me anything at all that's in the report".

    Spend the next ten minutes talking about the report.



  • @Bones said in British Politics:

    This should probably go in the stuff thread but oh well. Gold.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jacinda-ardern-anneliese-dodds-boris-johnson-women-politics-coronavirus-a9628286.html

    Two of Ms Dodds' constituents (possibly activists in her own local party) write bizarre puff piece comparing the little-known Shadow Chancellor to the PM of New Zealand. The Independent is so desperate that it publishes it.



  • Russia Report out in an hour. Time for the Popcorn.



  • While you wait, Tory MP sent string of messages to 21-year-old intern begging her to "fool around with him".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53472289



  • @sparky Rather than complain, they should be grateful. He's quite the looker.

    PRI_158761762.jpg


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