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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
I gave up after about half way. Seemed disjointed, both didn't seem interested in answering questions with more interest in taking shots at each other, the trained seals in the audience were a distraction. I see there is another debate lined up with the minor parties, can't imagine that being much better, I wonder if there is a better format for this kind of thing?
I don't think the debate would have changed too many minds from people. I felt that Johnson had two big wins:
- Continual hounding of Corbyn to answer this Brexit view, which he simply didn't
- Calling out the Corbyn "selling out of the NHS to the seppos" as utter bullshit.
But then overall, Corbyn was clearly the much better speaker and never seemed full of bluster. He is also did very well in not bringing up a lot of his left wing policies, and coming across as quite centred.
So, lying then?
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@Catogrande heavens no, not when the truth is important.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
I gave up after about half way. Seemed disjointed, both didn't seem interested in answering questions with more interest in taking shots at each other, the trained seals in the audience were a distraction. I see there is another debate lined up with the minor parties, can't imagine that being much better, I wonder if there is a better format for this kind of thing?
I don't think the debate would have changed too many minds from people. I felt that Johnson had two big wins:
- Continual hounding of Corbyn to answer this Brexit view, which he simply didn't
- Calling out the Corbyn "selling out of the NHS to the seppos" as utter bullshit.
But then overall, Corbyn was clearly the much better speaker and never seemed full of bluster. He is also did very well in not bringing up a lot of his left wing policies, and coming across as quite centred.
So, lying then?
Economical with the truth. Which is a collective responsibility.
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@Victor-Meldrew if she’s that moved to distribute the wealth why doesn’t she start unilaterally with her own? Nobody is stopping her as far as I can see.
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Corbyns moves don’t really hurt her.
The very rich will have little effect. The VAT on school fees is the most poorly thought through govt plan I’ve ever read.
I can’t afford 20% more. I’ll be pulling them out and into state. At a school evening this was agreed by roughly 40%. Now that’s bluster, but let’s say it turns out to be half of that, 20%.
That’s a LOT of extra kids the state now needs to educate. And that’s a shit ton more money in my pocket. What will I do with that?
I’ll spend it in my new country.
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How about that..its illegal to protest. I'm guessing the qualifier is that it is only illegal if the person you are protesting has a vajayjay and is anti-Brexit....because I'm pretty sure there are maybe a couple hundred examples in the last year even where this was actually fine against folk with doodles or who believed in democracy.
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I am starting to slowly move towards supporting Corbyn. The English speaking worlds youth need a reminder of what happens under socialism. They need a reality check... And I would prefer that to be somewhere other than NZ. Sorry UK.
A Green New Deal has to implemented by someone.... To show how it kills an economy.
If Corbyn wins it is a mandate, regardless of % etc. You get the govt you deserve after an election.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
Corbyn-supporting Lily Allen responds to the publication of Labour's election Manifesto.
God all-fucking-mighty.
And to think they bang on about the economic impact of Brexit. There's an entire generation that needs to learn a valuable economic lesson. How a party with Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell can attract more than eight people to it is astonishing.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback I too have resigned to the apparent reality that the western world needs yet another lesson on why these empty "ideas" can't work in our current societal structure.
Overwhelmingly it's just a horrible waste of time and progress, so yeah, the sooner we go through this "revelation " the better.
As an aside, Niall Ferguson commented that Brexit will take years and years of processing, FTA negotiations, laws being ratified etc. So no it doesn't go away nicely and comfortably whatever the outcome.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
How about that..its illegal to protest. I'm guessing the qualifier is that it is only illegal if the person you are protesting has a vajayjay and is anti-Brexit....because I'm pretty sure there are maybe a couple hundred examples in the last year even where this was actually fine against folk with doodles or who believed in democracy.
That strikes me as harassment, not protesting.
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@Siam said in British Politics:
As an aside, Niall Ferguson commented that Brexit will take years and years of processing, FTA negotiations, laws being ratified etc. So no it doesn't go away nicely and comfortably whatever the outcome.
TBF, we've had that and would continue to have that with EU membership as well.
Plans are afoot for an EU-wide income tax system, EU military integration and opening up of health care systems to EU-wide competition.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Corbyns moves don’t really hurt her.
Posted it as an extreme example of emotion trumping intelligence....
But you're right, it's also an example of privileged, rich people wishing for things to make them feel good, knowing the down-sides won't impact them.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
The VAT on school fees is the most poorly thought through govt plan I’ve ever read.
"Left wing Labour MPs will never abolish private schools. Well, not until their own children have finished their expensive schooling at them" Norman Tebbit
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Corbyns moves don’t really hurt her.
Posted it as an extreme example of emotion trumping intelligence....
But you're right, it's also an example of privileged, rich people wishing for things to make them feel good, knowing the down-sides won't impact them.
It's not emotion it's play acting
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
How about that..its illegal to protest. I'm guessing the qualifier is that it is only illegal if the person you are protesting has a vajayjay and is anti-Brexit....because I'm pretty sure there are maybe a couple hundred examples in the last year even where this was actually fine against folk with doodles or who believed in democracy.
That strikes me as harassment, not protesting.
Off the top of my head I can think of two physical assaults against Carl Benjamin, one against TR (and multiple death threats) and protesters targetting Jacob Rees Mogg's school age children. These were regarded as 'protests' and there was no police action despite them being witness on at least one occasion. What this woman did was no more than par of what politicians, especially those that don't fit a certain agenda, have to deal with regularly (Corbyn got a right earful today from some place up north..aren't fans of the IRA). I'm not saying what she was doing is right or good but it just reeks of a double standard.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
How about that..its illegal to protest. I'm guessing the qualifier is that it is only illegal if the person you are protesting has a vajayjay and is anti-Brexit....because I'm pretty sure there are maybe a couple hundred examples in the last year even where this was actually fine against folk with doodles or who believed in democracy.
That strikes me as harassment, not protesting.
Off the top of my head I can think of two physical assaults against Carl Benjamin, one against TR (and multiple death threats) and protesters targetting Jacob Rees Mogg's school age children. These were regarded as 'protests' and there was no police action despite them being witness on at least one occasion. What this woman did was no more than par of what politicians, especially those that don't fit a certain agenda, have to deal with regularly (Corbyn got a right earful today from some place up north..aren't fans of the IRA). I'm not saying what she was doing is right or good but it just reeks of a double standard.
There has certainly been an escalation over the years of what has been viewed as protesting and what people have been prepared to do. This is not a good thing, regardless of agenda. I'm glad that this level stuff is now being viewed as harassment, and being dealt with, as such.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Off the top of my head I can think of two physical assaults against Carl Benjamin, one against TR (and multiple death threats) and protesters targetting Jacob Rees Mogg's school age children.
The worse JRM one was where they crowdfunded for a Brexit Supporter to rent the house next to his and shout Stop Brexit at the top of his lungs all day long.
Funny if a leftie does it, intimidation and harassment the other way.
Good thing he has many houses.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
How about that..its illegal to protest. I'm guessing the qualifier is that it is only illegal if the person you are protesting has a vajayjay and is anti-Brexit....because I'm pretty sure there are maybe a couple hundred examples in the last year even where this was actually fine against folk with doodles or who believed in democracy.
That strikes me as harassment, not protesting.
Off the top of my head I can think of two physical assaults against Carl Benjamin, one against TR (and multiple death threats) and protesters targetting Jacob Rees Mogg's school age children. These were regarded as 'protests' and there was no police action despite them being witness on at least one occasion. What this woman did was no more than par of what politicians, especially those that don't fit a certain agenda, have to deal with regularly (Corbyn got a right earful today from some place up north..aren't fans of the IRA). I'm not saying what she was doing is right or good but it just reeks of a double standard.
It's media driven or given cover by journalist with certain political bents. It does seem to come mainly from the Left though.
E.g. when Farage, his wife, and children were targeted by "anti facsist" protestors while having a meal at a restaurant and assaulted, The Guardian published an editorial defending it, saying it was simply in the tradition of robust political discourse.
I'm just amazed that people try to stop the likes of TR or the BNP's Nick Griffin from speaking, as it simply plays into their hands. Once they do speak, people can see what they really are. Griffin went downhill rapidly once he had been seen on Question Time.
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