Chiefs squad



  • I reckon give chase tiatia a  crack on the wing



  • Cane will be starting at 7.  It makes no sense to play him in a position that he won't be playing in for the ABs.  I think Rennie will go one of two ways for the loose forward combination:
    Leitch (6), Cane (7) and Vaipulu (8) or (6) Bardoul, (7) Cane and Leitch (8).
     
    There isn't an abrasive ball-carrier in the first combo which is why I favour including Bardoul at 6.  They might look at Seu at blindside flanker to play the same role.
     
    Leyton's team looks fairly close with questions marks on who plays at 6/8, 12/13 and 14.



  • Some comments from Rennie about the Chiefs squad.  The insight on TKB's rehab shows you how bad he wanted to be at the RWC.
     



  • With Pulu putting his hand up for the 7s - who is the next cab off the rank as 3rd halfback for when Pulu isn't there?



  • With Pulu putting his hand up for the 7s - who is the next cab off the rank as 3rd halfback for when Pulu isn't there?

    Probably Levien.



  • I'd think it would be more likely to be Kayne Hammington. They brought him in this year at one point, I think.



  • I'd think it would be more likely to be Kayne Hammington. They brought him in this year at one point, I think.

    He has a relationship with Rennie from his U20s days (and an Upper Hutt connection) and was travelling at his own expense to train alongside the Chiefs. His reward was a bench spot after Pulu broke his arm. Was never an official squad member though.



  • Interesting, I remember Beau Robinson did that with the Reds, at one point. It worked out reasonably well for him, and ended up getting a cap with the Wallabies. Doesn't exactly look as if it will pay off for Hammington as well. Personally, I think Booth and Liam Howley have more upside to them.



  • Hammington was relegated to the reserve bench for Manawatu behind Morland so is he that good?  I'd develop Levien.  The Chiefs had Kitto involved this year but he signed with Leicester.



  • Hammington was relegated to the reserve bench for Manawatu behind Morland so is he that good? I'd develop Levien. The Chiefs had Kitto involved this year but he signed with Leicester.

    No, I don't rate him. I'm happy for Levien to be developed but I'm not sure that's what will happen. Though I guess the Chiefs have been pretty good at doing this in the past.



  • Interesting, I remember Beau Robinson did that with the Reds, at one point. It worked out reasonably well for him, and ended up getting a cap with the Wallabies. Doesn't exactly look as if it will pay off for Hammington as well. Personally, I think Booth and Liam Howley have more upside to them.

    Big call on Howley there! Have you watched him play? Does really well, certainly showed that he wasn't lost at provincial level and can develop further, but he currently doesn't stand out more than that.
     
    I've watched him play club rugby and usually at that level, class players stand out. I remember seeing Alby M play for Upper Hutt one day without realising it was him (was taking the dogs for a walk) and thinking 'man this halfback has a great pass on him'. Liam is good, and has been on a planned development path, but has played one season out of school. I really hope he does well and develops further, but I wouldn't rate him above Hammington.



  • It is less about rating Howley highly, and more about not rating Hammington too much. 
     
    I wouldn't necessarily think he is a better player now, but he isn't even 20 yet (unless I'm mistaken) so as a player who will largely just be training with the team, I think it would be more beneficial to include him than Hammington, who (I think) is 25.



  • The Chiefs venues have been confirmed:
     
    Gallagher Chiefs 2016 Pre-season Fixtures 
    Friday 12 February  Gallagher Chiefs v Waratahs, Bay of Plenty
    Friday 19 February Gallagher Chiefs v Blues, Counties ManukauGallagher Chiefs 2016 Investec Super Rugby Home Fixtures
    Saturday 5 March Gallagher Chiefs v Lions 5.15pm FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton
    Saturday 26 March Gallagher Chiefs v Western Force 7.35pm FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton
    Friday 8 April Gallagher Chiefs v Blues 7.35pm FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton
    Friday 29 April Gallagher Chiefs v Sharks 7.35pm Yarrow Stadium, New Plymouth
    Saturday 7 May Gallagher Chiefs v Highlanders 7.35pm FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton
    Saturday 21 May Gallagher Chiefs v Rebels 7.35pm FMG Stadium Waikato, HamiltonFriday 1 July Gallagher Chiefs v Crusaders 7.35pm ANZ Stadium, Suva, Fiji
     
    A bold decision to give away a home game.



  • Yeah, a big crowd game too. It's cool for Fiji but doesn't make too much sense to me.



  • Playing the Blues at Pukekohe. Lucky it's early in the season so softies don't have to whine about getting a damp bum.



  • Yeah, a big crowd game too. It's cool for Fiji but doesn't make too much sense to me.

    Having the Welsh come to Waikato Stadium means the Chiefs, their fans and sponsors still have the same amount of home games; allowing them to experiment in a new market. Makes sense to me.



  • Playing the Blues at Pukekohe. Lucky it's early in the season so softies don't have to whine about getting a damp bum.

    So early it's not even in the season



  • I thought the deal with Taranaki was that they get two home games a season?



  • I thought the deal with Taranaki was that they get two home games a season?

    I noticed that too. I guess the deal was only for the first couple of years and they just want one game going forward, which is still a big improvement over what they used to get.
     
    I never really had a good look at it but the full schedule seems a bit strange to me. 7 home games (1 in Fiji), 9 away games. 2 games vs the Saders and Landers but only one vs the Blues and Canes. All five Aussie teams, unlike the old setup which would miss one. Short tour against the easy beats Kings and what'll probably be a tough fuckin game against the Argies in Argieland. And only one bye in the entire season. Seems like a tough schedule.



  • Hammington was relegated to the reserve bench for Manawatu behind Morland so is he that good?  I'd develop Levien.  The Chiefs had Kitto involved this year but he signed with Leicester.

    He was injured during the second game and pretty much missed the whole season and retured for the last game (off the bench) he was starting leading up to that.



  • Fuck Fiji. Why do take a top-draw regular season game all the way to Fiji, while neither Counties nor BOP can get one? Fuck the Chiefs piss me off. And fuck Taranaki too.



  • While I don't agree with taking a big derby game to Fiji it's obviously a business decision, and as Wurzel says it is offset by the Welsh game.  The Chiefs wouldn't be doing it otherwise.  As to not playing a regular season game at Puke or in the BOP, that will be due to the sub-standard facilities.  Rotorua could host a game, and is a really good venue but not always well supported.  Baypark is a shithole.



  • While I don't agree with taking a big derby game to Fiji it's obviously a business decision, and as Wurzel says it is offset by the Welsh game.  The Chiefs wouldn't be doing it otherwise.  As to not playing a regular season game at Puke or in the BOP, that will be due to the sub-standard facilities.  Rotorua could host a game, and is a really good venue but not always well supported.  Baypark is a shithole.

    How does it matter that Baypark is a shithole? Are the players that pampered they need A grade changing rooms? The stands are rubbish, but the crowds still turn up. So I think the fans dont need the Chiefs to decide for them if it is good enough for viewing.
     
    And where does this facilities argument sit in regards to playing in fucking Suva??



  • How does it matter that Baypark is a shithole? Are the players that pampered they need A grade changing rooms? The stands are rubbish, but the crowds still turn up. So I think the fans dont need the Chiefs to decide for them if it is good enough for viewing.
     
    And where does this facilities argument sit in regards to playing in fucking Suva??

    I daresay the Chiefs marketing people think that is they take the game to Baypark, people will turn up and think, "that was a shit experience - a bunch of mini-men running about in the far distance - we won't go to watch the Chiefs again". 
     
    Don't want to pay rates for a decent stadium. Don't want to pay taxes for climate change.
     
    You watch it on telly and like it!  🙂



  • How does it matter that Baypark is a shithole? Are the players that pampered they need A grade changing rooms? The stands are rubbish, but the crowds still turn up. So I think the fans dont need the Chiefs to decide for them if it is good enough for viewing.

    I'm sure that Sanzar has a minimum standard that is required for the quality of the field, lights, player and media facilities etc.  I'm not defending the decsion by the Chiefs' board, just suggesting a reason why they've made that decision.  In an ideal world BOP and C-M would each host a Chiefs game each season.

    And where does this facilities argument sit in regards to playing in fucking Suva??

    They have recently upgraded the stadium so obviously it meets their needs.  I assume the match will be played during the day.



  • I'm sure that Sanzar has a minimum standard that is required for the quality of the field, lights, player and media facilities etc.  I'm not defending the decsion by the Chiefs' board, just suggesting a reason why they've made that decision.  In an ideal world BOP and C-M would each host a Chiefs game each season. 
     
     
    They have recently upgraded the stadium so obviously it meets their needs.  I assume the match will be played during the day.

    they do, the old Okara Park did not meet them, luckily the new stadium does so we get loads of game now! 🙂



  • I daresay the Chiefs marketing people think that is they take the game to Baypark, people will turn up and think, "that was a shit experience - a bunch of mini-men running about in the far distance - we won't go to watch the Chiefs again". 
     
    Don't want to pay rates for a decent stadium. Don't want to pay taxes for climate change.
     
    You watch it on telly and like it!   🙂

    Well that is a a great theory except it has already been proven to be bollox. People turned up and watched.. and then did it again.
     
    And who said I dont want to pay rates for a good stadium??



  • I'm sure that Sanzar has a minimum standard that is required for the quality of the field, lights, player and media facilities etc.  I'm not defending the decsion by the Chiefs' board, just suggesting a reason why they've made that decision.  In an ideal world BOP and C-M would each host a Chiefs game each season. 
     
     
    They have recently upgraded the stadium so obviously it meets their needs.  I assume the match will be played during the day.

    Nah.. it passes that standard. So that theory is also a non starter as well. I think the most accurate one is that Rennie just doesnt like Baypark... and that Waikato people are a bunch of redneck twunts.



  • Maybe Rennie finds that the team finds playing inside a speedway track at a distance to the crowd off putting and doesn't perform?



  • You can totally understand why you wouldn't want your rep team playing at Bay park at this level. Hardly showing off your brand to the wider audience when you see them rock up at a speedway track.



  • Maybe Rennie finds that the team finds playing inside a speedway track at a distance to the crowd off putting and doesn't perform?

    Seriously? You think professional athletes who travel the world and play numerous different venues will get put off because the crowd isn't close enough? How on earth will the precious petals cope with playing in Suva if they are so mentally weak?



  • You can totally understand why you wouldn't want your rep team playing at Bay park at this level. Hardly showing off your brand to the wider audience when you see them rock up at a speedway track.

    I wonder how many people would not support the Chiefs because they played once a year at a field inside a speedway track?I would predict zero. In fact I would wonder about the mental state of anyone that would watch a game on TV and decide they wouldn't support a team because occasionally they get a glimpse of some dirt in the corner of your screen during one match a season.
    And even if there were a few.. the easiest support to get is inside your catchment area, all those kids and fans in Tauranga actually getting to see a game in person would result in far more positive marketing.
     
    But keep going.. the attempts to explain it are good.



  • Why do you think they don't play at Bay park?
     
    Representing your brand in the best possible way isn't to do with a watchers mental defficiency or otherwise.



  • Just possibly they don't care for the support of people that call them redneck twunts?



  • I seriously doubt that the coach or players have the final say on where the team plays.  These decisions are usually made at board level, which includes someone from Tauranga.



  • As expected the Chiefs will have co-captains again:  Cane and Cruden.



  • Nepo Laulala out for 12 Months with a knee injury, Dominic Bird out for 10 weeks with a foot fracture.



  • Nepo Laulala out for 12 Months with a knee injury, Dominic Bird out for 10 weeks with a foot fracture.

    Signings of the year right there



  • FFS. The season hasn't even started and that's two big blows. Least it isn't Cruden, BBBR or Cane, I guess.



  • Bad couple of blows that. probably moves them down a bracket leaving them in the middle with the Highlanders and Canes fighting it out for the top and Blues and Chiefs for the bottom.


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