NZ v Australia Test #1



  • Yippee Skippy.... errr Kiwi!
     
    I've been waiting all summer for this and the forecast looks reasonable until Sunday evening.... plenty of time to clean up this rabble.....
     
    I see Southeee is playing for ND to test his fitness/injury. Did Boult do much damage to himself?
     
    Soooooooooo
     
    Guptill
    Latham
    Williamson
    Nichols
    McCullum
    Watling (???)
     
    and the bowlers........ 🙂
     
    I have no idea who they will go for given injuries



  • Batting looks weak without Taylor there. Maybe it is just on paper but thats the way it looks. Need a big series from Latham.
     
    Santner is seemingly out replaced by Craig. Hope he has a point to prove.
     
    I would like to see Matt Henry play and open the bowling with Boult in NZ conditions. Southee as first change make him earn the spot back.



  • As much as I would like to see 4 genuine bowlers play I think the batting is a little light without Taylor and Santner which means Anderson has to play ahead of Bracewell or Henry. 
     
    Latham
    Guptill
    Williamson
    Nichols
    McCullum
    Anderson
    Watling
    Craig
    Henry
    Southee
    Boult



  • Yep, Rosco is a massive blow to our chances. But, we won't be lacking for self belief and I think we will give this a real good shake. I just hope the pivotal moments go our way as they really didn't in Adelaide.



  • Batting looks weak without Taylor there. Maybe it is just on paper but thats the way it looks. Need a big series from Latham.
     
    Santner is seemingly out replaced by Craig. Hope he has a point to prove.
     
    I would like to see Matt Henry play and open the bowling with Boult in NZ conditions. Southee as first change make him earn the spot back.

    It's not an ODI so Southee is the first pick and doesn't have to play his way back in as leading test bowler.
     
    I'd also like to see Henry there. I don't see the need for Craig. Bring in Sohdi if you want an actual spinner, otherwise Williamson can do what Craig does and may even be effective



  • This aussie team is without many of the big names that have terrorized us in the past.  I reckon we have a strong chance to knock these guys over in our own backyard.  I would like to see Rosco back but we have young guys ready to step up.  Kane needs another big series I'm afraid



  • Bowling attack is the issue for us. Not going to win unless we can take 20 wickets.



  • I don't recall ever being so excited about an upcoming series. I mean the one in Oz was great but there was still the hang up from just winning the Rugby and the fact it was over there. Now we have two ( should be three, fluffybunnys ) tests in our own backyard. I agree that the batting all of a sudden looks brittle without Taylor there, to me he is automatically second name down on the teamsheet, he's that important to the cause. Big test for Nicholls if he is the guy who gets the nod. By Black Cap standards our opening pair is truly extraordinary in their consistency. After enduring some donkeys for, well decades, it's great to see some solidity. I think Anderson will get the slot at six and definitely roll the arm over quite a bit. I'm anticipating quite a battle between him and the Neesh over the years for that spot because as much as I am a fan of both and as talented as both are it's hard to see spots for BOTH in the team long term. Watling needs to rediscover the grittiness, he's been poor lately.
     
    As for the bowlers I get that Craig get's in by default, if I was selector Williamson would bowl a bit although as our best batsman and soon to be captain this may be a bit much for him to handle. I hope Craig proves me wrong, despite his diabolical record I will admit he has had his moments. If Santner comes on as hoped and Sodhi gets more chances he's just a stop gap anyway.
     
    A choice between Southee, Boult, Bracewell, Wagner and Henry ( I'm not sure the injury status of any of these guys admittedly ) ? Shit we're a long way from Robert Kennedy, Heath Davis and Richard De Groen. Looks like Bracewell, Wagner and Henry will be scrapping for that third seamers role, hard to see them go past Henry which is rough on the other two but shows our depth. It's a great time to be a Black Caps fan, let's enjoy it while we can. Hasn't rained in Welly for fucken ages so that might be asking a bit much for five more days of the same, I hope I'm wrong.
     
    NTA, any chance you can give us a run down of the likely Australian team ?



  • Dead certs in the Aus side Warner, Khawaja, Smith, Voges, M Marsh, Neville, Hazlewood Lyon. Burns will probably retain the opener spot. Pattinson will probably get one of the seamer spots, and it'll be out of Siddle and Bird for the other spot. 
     
    Bit of green on top and a few of those guys are going to be vulnerable. Burns will edge a heap with his lack of footwork, i see Voges as vulnerable as well. Heaps of runs still there though. Hazlewood, Pattinson and Siddle are good enough to roll us with a bit of assistance, and then Lyon is good enough to run through us if it starts to turn. 
     
    A lot is going to depend on the pitches. And someone else is going to have to stay with Williamson without Taylor there. Looking at the teams, they look far less reliant on one guy for runs than we do on Williamson.



  • Is Khawaja opening ? if so I see parallels with Justin Langer, tried at number 3, plays like shit, gets dropped but then comes back as an opener and has a steller career.
     
    The BCs do rely on Williamson but they have Guptill in great form, Latham almost quietly achieving compared to others, a young guy eager to do well on debut and McCullum determined to go out on a high. I don't think the gulf is as great as you say.



  • Latham
    Guptill
    Williamson
    Nichols
    McCullum
    Anderson
    Watling
    Craig
    Henry
    Southee
    Boult

    This is what I'd like to see.
     
    But these selectors are very loyal, so I suspect Bracewell may play ahead of Henry.



  • Is Khawaja opening ? if so I see parallels with Justin Langer, tried at number 3, plays like shit, gets dropped but then comes back as an opener and has a steller career.
     
    The BCs do rely on Williamson but they have Guptill in great form, Latham almost quietly achieving compared to others, a young guy eager to do well on debut and McCullum determined to go out on a high. I don't think the gulf is as great as you say.

    Great ODI form but often that doesn't translate to Test form, especially for Guptill. He just doesn't seem to have the right shot selection when playing tests. In saying that, he did OK in the Aus leg of the series??



  • Great ODI form but often that doesn't translate to Test form, especially for Guptill. He just doesn't seem to have the right shot selection when playing tests. In saying that, he did OK in the Aus leg of the series??

    Agree, some guys are better suited to different formats and Guptill has been found out at test level on a number of occasions but as I alluded to have a look at some of the walking wickets we've had there in our recent past. He's still an automatic selection at the moment.
     
    Speaking of walking wickets cricinfo tells me Ronchi is on standby if Watling doesn't get over a niggle ( wakes up in a cold sweat )



  • Anderson was either bowling noticeably quicker in the ODIs (quicker balls at mid 130s, with occasional higher 130s) or the radar gun was buggered. He would be a much more useful 4th seamer than in the past.



  • Agree with Mariner:
     
    Burns
    Warner
    Khawaja
    Smith
    Voges
    Mitchell "Fucking" Marsh
    Nevill
    Pattinson
    Siddle
    Lyon
    Hazlewood
     
    12th man: other seamer/batsman



  • I think you're gonna have to remove the "fucking" bit soon.....the kids been playing well.



  • I think it may have been in reference to Marsh's verbals in Hamilton MN5.



  • I think it may have been in reference to Marsh's verbals in Hamilton MN5.

    Nope, NTA would gladly murder Mitch Marsh if he could get away with it.



  • Looks to be a green seamer but we all know that NZ pitches are all talk, no pork in terms of greeniss. Won't be terrified to lose the toss and put in



  • Nope, NTA would gladly murder Mitch Marsh if he could get away with it.

    Though I'll have to revise my opinion if he keeps scoring runs with any consistency.
    His brother can fuck off.



  • Anderson was either bowling noticeably quicker in the ODIs (quicker balls at mid 130s, with occasional higher 130s) or the radar gun was buggered. He would be a much more useful 4th seamer than in the past.

    Yep, he cracked 140kmh on a couple of occasions too. I'm reasonably comfortable having him as a fourth seamer.
     
    I'm far less comfortable with Mark Craig playing. He's just not good enough to be effective on any wickets that aren't super-assistive to his spin. I don't give a fuck if he's eked out a test batting average of nearly 37 - he's primarily there to take wickets and in that facet he's been found wanting. If the selectors think Sodhi isn't suited to test cricket and Santner is out, then don't pick someone just for the sake of having a spin option. Williamson can throw down a few overs if conditions suddenly become conducive to spin, but we're better off picking either an extra batsman (not possible as we don't have a spare on this squad) or an all-seam attack and I'd go for Bracewell, Henry, Southee and Boult, in that batting order. That makes Anderson a fifth seamer.



  • I just don't see the point in Anderson playing if he is your 5th seamer. If Anderson really one of the six best batsmen in the country? I get that the squad has been picked and you have to do the best with what you have but Anderson's batting isn't good enough to be picked just for that.
     
    If I was picking the quicks I would go for Boult, Henry and Wagner. I like Wagner bowling into the wind. Southee would get the nod if he was fit and if he had performed domestically. I think Bracewell did bowl better in Aussie than his figures suggested but Wagner out performed him in the Sri Lankan series.



  • i would've liked to see them persist with ish myself, he seems to bowl the most wicket balls out of all of them.



  • Bloody hell, innocently clicked on a Herald article and the bloody thing was written by Ratpoo.
    Only read the first paragraph, but he's basically just gone and fucked our chances of winning this series by banging on about how the BCs are in the box seat, blah blah blah.
    Fuckin sneaky Herald, not having the author of the article with the headline.



  • I think they'll play Craig because he did OK in the 2nd innings vs Sri Lanka in the last test at the Basin.  As others have said, Anderson to replace Santner in the batting lineup and only select 3 quicks (Boult, Southee and Henry/Bracewell).  Anderson's workload as the 4th seamer would have to be monitored as well, looking ahead to the T20 WC.  The problem is that Craig can't even be used confidently as a stock bowler into the wind as he leaks runs.



  • It's maybe a bit niggly but Bracewell has yet to score a test 50 but if he plays he always bats ahead of Craig, Southee and even Boult who has one. He scored a good 47 against Sri Lanka but when is he gonna start delivering on the talent he has ? Those guys are all there for their bowling, I get that but I'd be pissed off if I was one of the aforementioned latter guys. I may rip the shit out of Craig on here as a bowler but he is an extremely decent low order batsman so if he has to play at least he brings that to the table.



  • Doug's batting has been good since his return to the side. I think he's worked out his method now.
    Get the feeling Santner's injury costs Doug a starting place.



  • I agree if Taylor and Santner were fit he probably would play ahead of Anderson.
     
    However his batting was shit in the ODI when he had time/overs to bat and build an innings. Only one innings sure but the nature of his dismissal - beaten all ends up bowled - didn't suggest he could provide dependability or stick-ability in the lower order you need in a test match. Plus he was the one to advise Milne not to review his LBW.
     
    He may still beat out Henry though as McCullum and Hesson both made comments about his bowling being better than his figures suggest.



  • Good chance the first 3 days of the test will sell out. It should sell out with capacity of only 6,500 but still good to see.



  • So all this being said looks like poor old Wagner is definitely gonna miss out ? pretty rough but that's the price you pay for having depth I guess.



  • So all this being said looks like poor old Wagner is definitely gonna miss out ? pretty rough but that's the price you pay for having depth I guess.

    I would like to see Bracewell, Henry, Southee and Boult.
     
    Bit it will likely be Craig, Wagner, Southee and Boult.



  • I would like to see Bracewell, Henry, Southee and Boult.
     
    Bit it will likely be Craig, Wagner, Southee and Boult.

    I don't think Wagner will get in much as I'm a fan of his workhorse nature.



  • how does Craig keep getting picked? He's dreadfully ordinary



  • I guess he has provided valuable runs in our previous test wins and done the job (taken wickets) when a spinner needs to in the 4th innning when there has been assistance  and a big lead (which alot of our other spinners inculuding Vettori have not always done). When he hasn't been effective or expensive our pace bowlers have usually been able to take 10 wickets anyway.
     
    The only time he has been terrible was the latest series in Oz but Lyons who is considered one of the best around didn't do much better on those roads.
     
    So given Santners injury he has earned another chance. I guess he will be highly motivated.
     
    I personally would prefer Sodhi but it has been a hallmark of Hesson that he is loyal to people who have got the job done for him in the past and whose attitude he likes.



  • Long range weather forecast has improved and suggests there will now be no weather interruptionsNortherly throughout and only really fresh on Sunday so the need for a workhorse diminishes.I really like Wagners attitude and he's never let us down. However Henry appeals more as a wicket taking option and I think to beat Oz we need to consistently get them out cheaply because I think the balance of our batting is deeply affected by our injury absences.Fascinating test in prospect.Who will we pickWill Boult be Lightning or ListlessIs Southee over his injury - and even if he is will he turn upIs the Kane train on trackPlease be fit BJ - and back in formand that's before you even start to consider the opposition.BRING IT ON!



  • how does Craig keep getting picked? He's dreadfully ordinary

    Cos the NZ selectors have it in their heads they need a spinner so a decent quick misses out to an ordinary spinner every time.



  • Craig has alternated between bloody marvellous and bloody awful. The issue isn't that Craig is useless, it's that he's terribly inconsistent. Not just between games, but inconsistent between days or spells.
    Craig is the least of our concerns though. This is the weakest we've looked for about 3 years.
    Taylor out and Baz no longer the 2014 version, and Corey looking scratchy. This is our weakest middle order since Cape Town.
    Boult and Southee both having listless injury disrupted seasons.
    4. Nicholls
    5. McCullum
    6. Anderdon
    Is powder puff soft. God help us if Ronchi is at 7.
    Likely team
    Latham
    Guptill
    Williamson
    Nicholls
    McCullum
    Anderson
    Watling
    Craig
    Wagner
    Southee
    Boult



  • Cos the NZ selectors have it in their heads they need a spinner so a decent quick misses out to an ordinary spinner every time.
    Because tests last (potentially)5 days, and tosses (are theoretically) 50/50.



  • Because tests last (potentially)5 days, and tosses (are theoretically) 50/50.

    So he doesn't take wickets and leaks runs but it's ok cos he provides "variation" huh ?



  • So he doesn't take wickets and leaks runs but it's ok cos he provides "variation" huh ?He does take wickets. He's taken plenty of 3rd/4th innings wickets. And produced 3 match winning performances in his 15 odd tests.


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