Blues v Canes



  • Coles bracketed. No news on Jane or NMS either
     
    Hurricanes:
    James Marshall,
    TBA,
    Vince Aso,
    Ngani Laumape,
    Julian Savea,
    Beauden Barrett,
    TJ Perenara,
    Victor Vito,
    Ardie Savea,
    Brad Shields,
    Mark Abbott,
    Blade Thomson,
    Jeff To'omaga-Allen,
    Dane Coles/Leni Apiaai,
    Reggie Goodes.
     
    Reserves:
    Apisai/Ricky Riccitelli,
    Chris Eves,
    Loni Uhila,
    Vaea Fifita,
    Callum Gibbins,
    Jamison Gibson-Park,
    Willis Halaholo,
    TBA.



  • Interesting to see a centre combination of Male Sa'u and Melani Nanai instead of Moala & Ranger. Also no Patrick Tuipolotu. Crazy decisions by Tana again. If I was the Blues coach I would be starting my best side at home.
     
    The Hurricanes still have injury clouds over Coles, Skudder and Jane otherwise its an unchanged side.
     
    Blues: 1. Charlie Faumuina, 2. James Parsons, 3. Ofa Tu'ungafasi, 4. Josh Bekhuis, 5. Steven Luatua, 6. Jerome Kaino (c), 7. Blake Gibson, 8. Akira Ioane, 9. Bryn Hall, 10. Ihaia West, 11. Tevita Li, 12. Male Sa'u, 13. Melani Nanai 14. Rene Ranger, 15. Lolagi Visinia
     
    Reserves: TBC
     
    Hurricanes: 1. Reggie Goodes 2. Dane Coles/Leni Apisai 3. Jeff Toomaga Allen 4. Blade Thomson 5. Mark Abbott 6. Brad Shields 7. Ardie Savea 8. Victor Vito 9. TJ Perenara 10. Beauden Barrett 11. Julian Savea 12. Ngani Laumape 13. Vince Aso 14. Nehe Milner Skudder/Cory Jane/Jason Woodward 15. James Marshall
     
    Reserves: 16. Leni Apisai/Ricky Rickitelli 17. Chris Eves 18. Loni Uhila 19. Vaea Fifita 20. Callum Gibbins 21. Jamison Gibson Park 22. Willis Halaholo 23. TBC



  • C4L where did you get your Blues team from?
    The Blues site has the following
    Ofa Tu’ungafasi, James Parsons, Charlie Faumuina, Steven Luatua, Josh Bekhuis, Jerome Kaino ©, Blake Gibson, Akira Ioane; Bryn Hall, Ihaia West, Tevita Li, George Moala, Male Sa’u, Rene Ranger, Lolagi Visinia.
    Reserves: Quentin MacDonald, Nic Mayhew, Sione Mafileo, Patrick Tuipulotu, Kara Pryor, Billy Guyton, Matt McGahan, Melani Nanai.



  • C4L where did you get your Blues team from?

    Yep was gonna say this too.
     
    Blues site team is consistent with the intagram post too with Moala at 12



  • Much better side for the Blues this week. All the moves in the tight five are to shore up the set piece - not Tuipulotu's strength.
     
    The backs look much better too.



  • NZHERALD originally had Melani Nanai at Centre with an unconfirmed bench.



  • NZHERALD originally had Melani Nanai at Centre with an unconfirmed bench.

    That'll teach you for reading that rag and believing it.



  • Big wakeup call for Tuipulotu, his scrummaging should have improved much more than it has.
     
     
    ......... Massive workrate though, just like those props.



  • ......... Massive workrate though, just like those props.

    Come on now let it go lol



  • Much better side for the Blues this week. All the moves in the tight five are to shore up the set piece - not Tuipulotu's strength.
     
    The backs look much better too.

    Just wondering how it has been determined that Tuipulotu is the problem with the scrum?  Not being argumentative just enquiring.



  • Just wondering how it has been determined that Tuipulotu is the problem with the scrum?  Not being argumentative just enquiring.

    I'm wondering the same thing. We were great at the set piece against the Highlanders with him there before bumping into a side who revolve their whole gameplan on their set piece and are very good at that part of the game. Looking at that side, I think Umaga is still rotating and trying out combinations and that Patrick being dropped is strictly rotation.



  • I think Patrick is A problem at scrum time, not THE problem. Blues not starting Charlie and starting Quentin MacDonald were other big problems in my opinion. I'm no scrum expert though as I understand it Tuipulotu has been part of some underwhelming scrum efforts in the past (Blues and ABs)



  • Good to see Ranger on the wing. IMO a much better winger than midfield player. He's very effective in using the sideline to his advantage in attack.



  • Good to see Ranger on the wing. IMO a much better winger than midfield player. He's very effective in using the sideline to his advantage in attack.

    He is the kind of players that thrives of playing, he is not someone you really want to be rotating, probably makes him almost jumpy cos he wants out there, but yeah put him on the wing but use him as a 12/13 often to ensure he is heavily involved, especially on defence with his work on the ball



  • Coles has been ruled out for Friday. He was interviewed on the Breakdown tonight and said he didn't come through training today.



  • Am I the only one who doesn't really mind our 1st XV All Blacks doing recovery in Feb/Mar/Apr each year?
     
    Brodie and Dane as examples



  • Updated Canes Side:
    15 James Marshall 14 Nehe Milner-Skudder 13 Vince Aso 12 Ngani Laumape 11 Julian Savea 10 Beauden Barrett 9 TJ Perenara (c) 8 Victor Vito 7 Ardie Savea 6 Brad Shields 5 Mark Abbott 4 Blade Thomson 3 Jeff Toomaga-Allen 2 Leni Apisai 1 Reggie Goodes. Reserves: Ricky Riccitelli, Chris Eves, Loni Uhila, Vaea Fifita, Callum Gibbins, Jamison Gibson-Park, Willis Halaholo, Cory Jane.
    Unavailable due to injury: Matt Proctor (knee), Motu Matu'u (calf), James Blackwell (foot), Dane Coles (calf), Otere Black (leg)



  • Julian Savea looks fat. Our mid field is ho-hum. Coles is not playing and Vito looks like hes already in France mentally.
    TJ looks sharp though. So too does Ardie Savea.
    I reckon we may just scrape past the Blues who were brought back down to earth with a sizable thud last week.
    I can see us losing just as easily though.
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  • TAB NZ odds:
     
    Blues     1.67     
    Hurricanes     2.20     
    Draw     18.00



  • Julian Savea looks fat. Our mid field is ho-hum. Coles is not playing and Vito looks like hes already in France mentally.
    TJ looks sharp though. So too does Ardie Savea.
    I reckon we may just scrape past the Blues who were brought back down to earth with a sizable thud last week.
    I can see us losing just as easily though.
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    TJ Looks sharp? I dont know what game's you've been watching mate but Perenara is well below his best. His passing from the base of the ruck/scrum has been piss poor. How many passes were at the first receivers feet last Saturday night? Personally I lost count. Yes he was strong around the ruck but he has to pull his head in regards his passing game.
     
    If the All Blacks were named tomorrow he wouldn't be anywhere near my team, hes far too erratic with his play all around and that's why he lost his spot to Kerr Barlow at the RWC. 
     
    Ardie Savea and Nehe Milner Skudder are the only two players that have put in a full quality performance so far this campaign. They both ooze class and the rest of the squad need to pick it up if they are to beat a powerful Blues side.



  • I didnt see the whole game last week. 60min. But TJ looked good from what I saw especially in the last 20min.
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  • TJ for mine is too erratic. He does something great and then ruins it by getting himself offside, hoofing a ball into touch on the full, throwing a shocker pass and knocking the ball on while trying to clear the ball. He needs to head along to the Aaron Smith passing school and learn how to pass like a pro. Where is TTT?? Plenty of Rugby experts believe he will kick on to be the best Canes halfback in a few years but I haven't seen him play yet. Same with Otere?



  • I dunno bro. You called Ngatai early on but im yet to see his supposed greatness.
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  • C4L hit the nail on the head - TJ makes too many errors currently - heck in the last few mins of last week's match he conceded the penalty which put the Highlanders in the lead and then got flustered close to the sideline so he threw a poor pass resulting in a turnover.



  • Clearly too much IPA on my part last week.
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  • Fair enough on the Ngatai call. He hasn't pushed on as expected. Hopefully this year he can jazz it up at the Chiefs and crack the A.Bs.  :good:



  • I thought Ngatai so far has looked the goods. One the positives against the Lions.



  • Just wondering how it has been determined that Tuipulotu is the problem with the scrum?  Not being argumentative just enquiring.

    I think it was Mike Cron who said that the locks provide 40% of a scrums power.. so he's a big part of that.
     
    Also there were a couple of games early in his AB career when he came on and the scrum immediately started going backwards.
     
     
    Tuipolotu is great with the ball in hand, and a hard hitter on defense.
     
    But I don't think his work in the set piece (both scrum and lineout) or his ruck/maul work has developed enough yet.



  • I think it was Mike Cron who said that the locks provide 40% of a scrums power.. so he's a big part of that.
     
    Also there were a couple of games early in his AB career when he came on and the scrum immediately started going backwards.
     
     
    Tuipolotu is great with the ball in hand, and a hard hitter on defense.
     
    But I don't think his work in the set piece (both scrum and lineout) or his ruck/maul work has developed enough yet.

    Fair enough.  But there are 8 other blokes in that scrum and hopefully the weakness has been exposed enough to merit attention.



  • Agree, he has huge potential.

    Fair enough.  But there are 8 other blokes in that scrum and hopefully the weakness has been exposed enough to merit attention.



  • Fair enough.  But there are 8 other blokes in that scrum and hopefully the weakness has been exposed enough to merit attention.

    Wouldn't having nine blokes in a scrum be illegal?



  • surely Vito with one knee on the ground should have to have let that go?



  • Blues might want to get a better kicker.  Two fairly straight forward penalties missed by West so far.



  • jeez, 2 makeable kicks missed by West



  • Referee gives West a sitter to get his eye in.



  • canes need to commit to taking the high ball or the Blues will catch one soon



  • Shit that was a good scrappy maul



  • In front of the kicker surely?
     
    Replay makes a mockery of my initial guess.



  • Now keep that up for the rest of the season.



  • Holy fuck. You can be a ref at Super Rugby level and not know what constitutes a ruck these days.


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