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  • @MajorRage But is it just her? Perhap the EU are s ticking it to us and saying it's this or nothing and she knows that? They know we're in a position of weakness - due to our incompetent handling from the word go and it's not as if we've been playing our cards close to our chest is it?



  • @MajorRage

    Amendment was sponsored by Vince Cable, Jo Swinson & other luminaries of the People Vote campaign. Obviously they didn't bother checking with the folks back at the ranch...

    Yep. May's plan has been clear all along and she might well get it thru next week if reports of the DUP coming on board are true. She might win by continuously losing - which speaks more about her opponents than it does about her.

    Bloody mess has to end.



  • @Catogrande

    Good points and it's interesting that the EU's Tusk is pointing to a 2 year or 4 year extension which might concentrate the Brexit head-bangers minds

    But I don't think it's to do with weakness - it's more about maintaining an orderly exit and allowing the EU to move onto more pressing matters If there's EU parliament elections in the UK in May, it's likely the rump of UKIP or Farage's new party will do well and swell the ranks of the expected anti-EU parties in Stasbourg.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:

    @Catogrande

    Good points and it's interesting that the EU's Tusk is pointing to a 2 year or 4 year extension which might concentrate the Brexit head-bangers minds

    But I don't think it's to do with weakness - it's more about maintaining an orderly exit and allowing the EU to move onto more pressing matters If there's EU parliament elections in the UK in May, it's likely the rump of UKIP or Farage's new party will do well and swell the ranks of the expected anti-EU parties in Stasbourg.

    For sure they'd have their own issues which would dictate to a great degree their stance on Brexit, but if we (May) were perceived to in a stronger position perhaps there would be a little more wiggle room provided by the EU. It's a supposition, but one I think that is quite feasible.



  • @Catogrande

    Absolutely. But May's cack-handedness and Remainer MP's trying to undermine any deal can't be undone. I think the EU is simply playing what is in front of it

    Very, very few MPs will come out of this with any credit. If we have an extension and continue this shit the anger will just grow and grow.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:

    @Catogrande

    Absolutely. But May's cack-handedness and Remainer MP's trying to undermine any deal can't be undone. I think the EU is simply playing what is in front of it

    Very, very few MPs will come out of this with any credit. If we have an extension and continue this shit the anger will just grow and grow.

    Very few will come out of this with any credit but I'm sure that with retrospect many will claim some false kudos.

    But you're right, it's a shitshow.



  • 412-202 in favour of asking for a delay...



  • @dogmeat how soon are the EU team likely to respond to that? does it go to a vote or will they already have a couple of potential responses in the can and ready to go?



  • @Paekakboyz said in Brexit:

    @dogmeat how soon are the EU team likely to respond to that? does it go to a vote or will they already have a couple of potential responses in the can and ready to go?

    With the EU I’d guess contingency plan in place. Of course if it were our lot they wouldn’t have thought that far ahead and would need four debates and three votes.



  • @Catogrande and then delay it for good measure!!







  • Lots of rumours tonight that the Tory rebels will back May's deal if she resigns

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/theresa-may-rebels-brexit-resign



  • @sparky - so they will agree to a deal they don't agree with just to get rid of her?? Am I reading that right?



  • @Paekakboyz said in Brexit:

    @sparky - so they will agree to a deal they don't agree with just to get rid of her?? Am I reading that right?

    Yes. Just rumors tho.

    Brexiteers are thinking this may be it.



  • @MajorRage or May not as the case May be (not!).

    oh dear, couldn't resist! terrible execution... which is a theme re Brexit!



  • @Paekakboyz said in Brexit:

    @MajorRage or May not as the case May be (not!).

    oh dear, couldn't resist! terrible execution... which is a theme re Brexit!

    Very good.

    All starts with a Boris Johnson column this morning.



  • @MajorRage said in Brexit:

    @Paekakboyz said in Brexit:

    @sparky - so they will agree to a deal they don't agree with just to get rid of her?? Am I reading that right?

    Yes. Just rumors tho.

    Brexiteers are thinking this may be it.

    I think they are right. I'd also be surprised if she didn't resign - because once it's through I wouldn't be surprised if she had a challenge anyway. Shit, she hasn't punished cabinet members for going against a three-line whip. She's weak and is only there because no one wants the job - now.



  • @gt12 said in Brexit:

    @MajorRage said in Brexit:

    @Paekakboyz said in Brexit:

    @sparky - so they will agree to a deal they don't agree with just to get rid of her?? Am I reading that right?

    Yes. Just rumors tho.

    Brexiteers are thinking this may be it.

    I think they are right. I'd also be surprised if she didn't resign - because once it's through I wouldn't be surprised if she had a challenge anyway. Shit, she hasn't punished cabinet members for going against a three-line whip. She's weak and is only there because no one wants the job - now.

    To be honest, the deal going through, her resigning and Gove, a brexiteer, taking the reins wouldn’t be such a bad thing.

    Although I still don’t buy that voting against a turd twice, with such harsh criticism, and then voting for the turd, is a good thing either



  • @MajorRage

    Agreed, but given the lack of spine of many of these MPs, would you be surprised?

    I wonder if the DUP will jump too.

    The killer was taking no deal off. I still don’t understand that.


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