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@rotated I’d guess because at the top end they live in a socialist paradise echo chamber and further down the line why create turmoil in your own party when you see the conservatives as imploding? (though I actually think matters are now improving for the tories).
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Why are potential Labor leaders so paralyzed? Even most Labor voters accept that Corbyn is a sitting duck and while he seems to be winning daily procedural skirmishes its difficult to envisage how he wins an election regardless of how Brexit plays out (revoke, remain, 2nd refferendum, Brexit successfully) all end in Labor nowhere near power.
The writing is on the wall with the second reading vote. Better to make Corbyn the sacrificial lamb and put some clear air between Labor and Brexit.
Mostly because Momentum have captured and cowed a great many of the local electorate committees and the NEC. They act as a praetorian guard for Corbyn. But they’re also an ideologically purist Trotskyite faction who would rather back the likeminded Corbyn and lose than compromise, and they’re not about to let anybody else compromise either. Labour is stuck with Corbyn until he decides he will go.
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@Rembrandt
More brinkmanship. Agree a GE or else we'll keep our toys. But will they? -
Have I got this right?
They can't progress on the deal as parliament is blocking it.
A GE can't be called until Labour agrees to it.
Labour will never agree to it as they will be destroyed.
Now the EU are delaying their decision on an extension.This all just seems like a way to delay brexit indefinitely.
Boris has done his legal duty and asked for an extension, I say call everyone's bluff stick with your promise and leave with no-deal on the 31st, at this point you could even blame Labour for the decision.
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@Rembrandt just as a matter of interest, what makes you think Labour would get destroyed? I’m expecting the right to get punished - and they probably deserve to - for presiding over this circus like a bunch of self-serving, backstabbing chancers. No party can claim to have acted consistently in the best interests of the country on this one. Both sides deserve to get flogged and I’m not convinced the supporters will turn out in great numbers to vote for their opponents but they probably, like me, don’t feel much like encouraging more of this shit either. I reckon turn out will be low and it’s anybody’s game. For the record I’ll vote Tory because I think voting is a duty, but I’ll feel shit doing it.
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@JC That's a good point. Neither side have covered themselves in glory. The impression I get from my UK friends is that they are sick to death of Brexit talk and want it done, Boris seems to be the only one who wants to get it done and done fast, whereas Corbyn has flip flopped on where he stands and seems to be avoiding a GE at all costs.Polls seem to back that up but if Labour and Libdems were to somehow make peace that might change.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
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This election is Boris vs Corbyn. If JC wins, I leave.
Along with about a third of the population and 90% of the money.
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
It's official UK government and the EU agree an extension until January 31st.
But Parliament reject a December 12th GE. There seems to still be many ways the lower house can fuck things over.
What's the excuse for no GE?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
@Catogrande said in Brexit:
It's official UK government and the EU agree an extension until January 31st.
But Parliament reject a December 12th GE. There seems to still be many ways the lower house can fuck things over.
What's the excuse for no GE?
The logical answer is fuck knows. I suspect the reality is a mixture of Brexit reluctance and party politics before good of the country. Either way, piss poor.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Official line is they don’t trust Boris.
I’m lost for words. Genuinely.
Surely if you don't trust the fluffybunny then agree to a GE and get the fluffybunny out.
But they and the Lib Dems know that by fucking around with Brexit neither will get in.
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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Official line is they don’t trust Boris.
I’m lost for words. Genuinely.
Surely if you don't trust the fluffybunny then agree to a GE and get the fluffybunny out.
But they and the Lib Dems know that by fucking around with Brexit neither will get in.
Hence lost for words. Nothing even makes sense anymore.
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