Argentina Australia at.... Twickenham?



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    Argentina will play their final Rugby Championship test against the Wallabies at Twickenham.
    The teams will play the revenue-sharing international on October 9 (NZ time) in a return to the venue where the Wallabies won their World Cup semifinal clash 29-15.
     
     
    Not sure what I think of this - potentially a massive windfall for Argentinian rugby, but seems to dilute a test match in my mind.



  • My immediate thought was it would be lucky to be half full.



  • My immediate thought was it would be lucky to be half full.

    Yeah, not sure they'll get that many people there.
     
    Mind you, 6nations sells out each year, so maybe there is demand for additional test matches?



  • Yeah, not sure they'll get that many people there.
     
    Mind you, 6nations sells out each year, so maybe there is demand for additional test matches?

    But what are they going to do when people score tries? Riot?



  • My immediate thought was it would be lucky to be half full.

    Pretty hopeful for a dead-rubber.



  • It will be sold out for sure.  There are plenty of expat Aussies there, Argies from all over Europe will go and lets not forget the haughty-taughtys.
     
    It's amazing how much the pommy media are loving this, given how much they campaigned and whinged about sanzar excluding argies, and now are pinching one of their home games.  I hit Brendan Gallagher up on this about twitter, and he acknowledged the irony.
     
    All power to them I suppose, but a bit of a shafting for local argentinian fans.



  • a bit of a shafting? It's a disgraceful decision.



  • how many did they get to the Baabaa-Argie game a couple of weeks after the RWC?
     
    Maybe the Argies rated the Wallaby game the least of the 3 home fixtures.... :fishing:



  • How much does a 3/4 playoff usually draw?



  • Pretty stoked as a Wallabies fan. Much rather play the Argies at Twickers than in Mendoza or Salta or Cordoba or wherever. Not to mention it will be a far easier trip from SA.
     
    Our kickers will line-up for goal with dignified pommy silence, rather than struggling through cacophonous noise and laser pointers in their eyes.



  • Pretty hopeful for a dead-rubber.

    Hardly an unlikely scenario.
     
    I'd be surprised if they got a full house.



  • This makes absolutely no sense to me.

    "While we witness the daring and exciting brand of rugby played by southern hemisphere teams on a regular basis, last year's Rugby World Cup well and truly showcased that skill and flair to the rest of the world," Sanzaar ceo Andy Marinos said. .
     
    "Aligned with our intent to take this product across the globe, Argentina have embraced this by moving one of their home fixtures to Twickenham thereby affording an ever growing fan base in the United Kingdom with the opportunity to see two of the world's most entertaining teams to compete for one of the world's toughest trophies in front of a passionate rugby crowd at Twickenham."

    That seems pretty bloody condescending to English rugby and in fact the entire 6 Nations tournament which has a big following and a shit load of history behind it. Do fans up there really think "ooohhh I wish I could watch a Southern Hemisphere team, any Southern Hemisphere team, instead of my country!!" ???

    UAR president Carlos Araujo said rugby interest in Argentina was growing and after seven domestic Super rugby matches, the Pumas would play the Boks and All Blacks at home before taking their final clash to Twickenham.

    Sorry if the interest in rugby is growing in Argentina why the fuck are you taking one of your home matches to England? How does that help "grow" the game in Argentina again? Am I missing something?

    ARU boss Bill Pulver said Sky Sports figures indicated there was huge interest in the Rugby Championship and this was a chance for fans in the UK to see a match live.

    Sky Sports.... ohh right it's just a money grab. Cool.



  • How many Pumas still based in Europe?
    Maybe a sop to their travel schedule?



  • Imagine a 6N game in Argentina?! That's all I'm saying.



  • This makes absolutely no sense to me.
     
     
    That seems pretty bloody condescending to English rugby and in fact the entire 6 Nations tournament which has a big following and a shit load of history behind it. Do fans up there really think "ooohhh I wish I could watch a Southern Hemisphere team, any Southern Hemisphere team, instead of my country!!" ???
     
     
    Sorry if the interest in rugby is growing in Argentina why the fuck are you taking one of your home matches to England? How does that help "grow" the game in Argentina again? Am I missing something?
     
     
    Sky Sports.... ohh right it's just a money grab. Cool.

    Of course, it's a money grab. Just like us playing Ireland in the USA.



  • The part that makes no fucking sense to me is Argentina sharing the revenue. It's THEIR home game! Are Australia splitting the revenue from their home game against Argentina as well? Or is this a one way street? Because to me, it doesn't seem like Australia should be coming out of it with much money at all. They can give up their own fucking home game if they want a bail out.



  • Of course, it's a money grab. Just like us playing Ireland in the USA.Yes, just like us this fixture is tying into the massive Australian diaspora playing against the best, most known rugby playing nation on Earth in a market struggling to put together a professional league?



  • Yes, just like us this fixture is tying into the massive Australian diaspora playing against the best, most known rugby playing nation on Earth in a market struggling to put together a professional league?

    and it's for competition points



  • Yes, just like us this fixture is tying into the massive Australian diaspora playing against the best, most known rugby playing nation on Earth in a market struggling to put together a professional league?

    Yes, well, Argentina needs money. As you say they can't play a game in the USA. No one would watch it. So they choose to play a game in one of the most famous rugby grounds in the world, which they know they can get a good crowd to.



  • Yes, just like us this fixture is tying into the massive Australian diaspora playing against the best, most known rugby playing nation on Earth in a market struggling to put together a professional league?

    Ah yes, this is just a cynical money grab by the ARU - unlike those noble, selfless All Blacks venturing into barbaric non-rugby territory to spread the good word and give the local Irish some love.



  • A quick look at some stats shows that the Aussie games haven't sold out in the RC in Argentina.  Last year they got 25k into a 43k seater.
     
    So the Argentina fans didn't show up, and hence, they've given the game to a 82,000 seater, which I believe will sell out.  With probably more expensive tickets too.
     
    Looking at it like that, makes a compelling argument.



  • Ah yes, this is just a cynical money grab by the ARU - unlike those noble, selfless All Blacks venturing into barbaric non-rugby territory to spread the good word and give the local Irish some love.Good point - I'd forgotten we'd revenue shared with the Irish instead of playing them at home during the Rugby Championship. Nice of them to give up home advantage during the competition to grow the game in Ireland... So they choose to play a game in one of the most famous rugby grounds in the world, which they know they can get a good crowd to.A quick look at some stats shows that the Aussie games haven't sold out in the RC in Argentina.  Last year they got 25k into a 43k seater. So the Argentina fans didn't show up, and hence, they've given the game to a 82,000 seater, which I believe will sell out.I'm not so sure. Certainly won't be English fans who will be waiting a few weeks until they can see England play Australia.



  • Yes, no English fans will go.



  • The Barbarians don't sell out, so I'm clearly not as confident that Twickenham will be full to watch Argentina.



  • Of course, it's a money grab. Just like us playing Ireland in the USA.At least we have the guise of "growing the game", which in fairness is a reasonably valid reason for playing in a huge un-tapped market.
    Also, we aren't impacting the integrety of the RC where traditionally the home/away games have been hugely important in deciding the comp. Argentina now have one less home game, hurting their chances of winning the comp.
    But really I was just highligting the stupidity of the reasons given for playing the game at Twickers, which are beyond taking the piss.



  • The Barbarians don't sell out, so I'm clearly not as confident that Twickenham will be full to watch Argentina.

    Hmmm....not sold out equals no English fans?



  • Hmmm....not sold out equals no English fans?I didn't say no English fans would be attending. I implied they couldn't be relied on to fill the empty seats.



  • Avatar wager?  I think it will sell out.



  • Avatar wager?  I think it will sell out.

    I'll take you on that! I think it's a good idea and probably at least as popular as a Baabaa's game if not more so. Heck the crowd for the Crusaders/Sharks game was decent enough. I'd be tempted to go if I still lived out west.
     
    Edit: But I don't think it'll sell out.



  • This makes absolutely no sense to me.
     
     
    That seems pretty bloody condescending to English rugby and in fact the entire 6 Nations tournament which has a big following and a shit load of history behind it. Do fans up there really think "ooohhh I wish I could watch a Southern Hemisphere team, any Southern Hemisphere team, instead of my country!!" ???
     
     
    Sorry if the interest in rugby is growing in Argentina why the fuck are you taking one of your home matches to England? How does that help "grow" the game in Argentina again? Am I missing something?
     
     
    Sky Sports.... ohh right it's just a money grab. Cool.

    Ummmm, yes. That's exactly what a shitload of my UK-rugby watching mates said after the RWC / during this year's 6N, being heartily sick of the tripe served up to them.
    I went the Crusaders-Sharks 5 years ago and it was awesome. I might go to this. I reckon it'll sell out. Sign me up to any Avatar bet.



  • It will sell out and if I can get a ticket I will go. So what if Argentina are sharing the gate with Aussie, its probably how they got them to agree to go to the UK and they will probably come away with more money than playing it in Argentina. You can not compare the Barbaa's game after a world cup to this game.



  • With the number of Aussie ex-pats in the UK, plus a fair sprinkling of Argies around western Europe I'd say there's a fair chance of a sell out or close to, though much will depend on ticket prices. I doubt the next one (if sanctioned) would be as popular and then on diminishing returns. If so, as a one off it makes financial sense but not much else.



  • Ummmm, yes. That's exactly what a shitload of my UK-rugby watching mates said after the RWC / during this year's 6N, being heartily sick of the tripe served up to them.
    I went the Crusaders-Sharks 5 years ago and it was awesome. I might go to this. I reckon it'll sell out. Sign me up to any Avatar bet.

    That would be heartily sick of the tripe that sells out four times over and gains huge TV audiences?
     
    Whilst anyone with a brain could see the gulf between playing styles and success shown at the RWC, you still have to be invested in your team. Otherwise why not watch the Harlem Globetrotters 24/7?



  • That would be heartily sick of the tripe that sells out four times over and gains huge TV audiences?
     
    Whilst anyone with a brain could see the gulf between playing styles and success shown at the RWC, you still have to be invested in your team. Otherwise why not watch the Harlem Globetrotters 24/7?

    Totally agree, its massively popular due to history/passion (and the cynic in me says due to scarcity value, in terms of international rugby). And I love watching it, even though some of the play makes you want to pull your hair out. Was just pointing out that all my UK mates who watch it religiously feel the same way (the two aren't mutually exclusive) and are all over this Arg/Aus game.
    In fact, as I type this an English based Chilean born mate who has debenture seats has asked me to go along with him. Result.



  • Avatar wager?  I think it will sell out. Sure.You can not compare the Barbaa's game after a world cup to this game.What about the year before then?



  • The only positive is that unlike BaaBaas games on EOYT or neutral site games played in London this is happening a week before the Premiership kicks off - so there likely will be less rugby fatigue than if this fixture happened in late November etc.
     
    On the negative side after the RWC last year and regular EOYT games England has seen Australia a lot recently so the bloom is certainly off the rose there. With a Lions tour looming at the end of their season I can see why it would be hard for the neutral to get excited about a 3rd v 4th playoff?
     
    Whatever that Crusaders v Sharks game did is about what I'll guess? Perhaps a touch more.



  • To be fair the Crusaders v Sharks game was in aid of the ChCh earthquake which was the main reason I went and paid £65 for the ticket.



  • It will sell out and if I can get a ticket I will go. So what if Argentina are sharing the gate with Aussie, its probably how they got them to agree to go to the UK and they will probably come away with more money than playing it in Argentina. You can not compare the Barbaa's game after a world cup to this game.

    I was curious how many they got to that carnival game at a point where it was probably at saturation point following the RWC so an actual meaningful test is likely to attract a much better crowd.



  • I get that the money will be good, bit it doesn't sit well with me that this is part of the RC and being played in London. Any other time sure, but this is supposed to be a home-away comp that will grow the game in Argentina. This is a game the Argies would have a good chance of winning and shit, could even decide the champion. Imagine Scotland playing England in a 6N game in Sydney.



  • I get that the money will be good, bit it doesn't sit well with me that this is part of the RC and being played in London. Any other time sure, but this is supposed to be a home-away comp that will grow the game in Argentina. This is a game the Argies would have a good chance of winning and shit, could even decide the champion. Imagine Scotland playing England in a 6N game in Sydney.

    This is a fair point. It is a decent advantage for Australia over New Zealand and South Africa.


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