Canes vs Chiefs



  • There will be match ups galore in Saturday nights blockbuster. The two i'm looking forward to the most are the battle between both A Savea v Cane and Barrett v Cruden.
     
    Ardie Savea vs Sam Cane: It's a real shame Ardie is heading to the sevens this year as these two would have likely taken this duel into the All Blacks. No doubt they will push one another in years to come but Saturday night will be a strong indication on who actually is the supreme open-side atm. Ardie has been the Hurricanes best for a while now with his strong, athletic, dynamic and energetic style of game while Cane who represents a hard nosed, old school snaffler,  has obviously been in line for King Richie's jersey for a long time now. I am a fan of both players and it will be an honor to watch them go toe to toe on Saturday night.
     
    Beauden Barrett vs Aaron Cruden: Carter has gone and now its time for one of these two to step into his shoes. Aaron Cruden is the favourite but Barrett has been dynamite in the last few weeks with his blistering pace on attack. What I want to see in this match-up is for both players to challenge the line. Cruden in my view is one of the best in the world at picking when to run and this could be crucial towards unlocking an improved Canes defensive unit. If he can test the Hurricanes inside shoulder then that will leave space out wide for their gas merchants to run riot. However if Barrett can keep the Chiefs on their toes by challenging the line himself then that will open up space for the likes of the "Bus" to work his magic on the left wing. 
     
    This is the game of the season so far and it will sure bring a few fireworks. Bring it on.
     
    Pick: Hurricanes by 2



  • Ardie Savea vs Sam Cane: It's a real shame Ardie is heading to the sevens this year as these two would have likely taken this duel into the All Blacks. No doubt they will push one another in years to come but Saturday night will be a strong indication on who actually is the supreme open-side atm. Ardie has been the Hurricanes best for a while now with his strong, athletic, dynamic and energetic style of game while Cane who represents a hard nosed, old school snaffler,  has obviously been in line for King Richie's jersey for a long time now. I am a fan of both players and it will be an honor to watch them go toe to toe on Saturday night.

    Nah.. you make it sound like a battle of equals. It is not. Cane is playing better, is captaining his team, is the incumbent AB and is in the AB leadership group.
    Ardie Savea is a super rugby player.
     
    That might all change in the future, but as of now, and reagrdless of one game in the round robin of Super rugby, it wont change this week, it wont even be a strong indication.



  • Yep Cane is a lock for the starting 7 jumper in the foreseeable future. Ardie looks like a player that could provide awesome impact off the bench.

    Beauden Barrett vs Aaron Cruden: Carter has gone and now its time for one of these two to step into his shoes
     
    ...and Sopoaga. Right now it's 1. Cruden 2. Sopoaga 3. Barrett. With daylight between them. 
     
    This game should provide a good indication of how far the Canes have come after the embarrassment against the Brumbies in the first round. Looking forward to it.



  • You obviously haven't been watching the Canes to make a statement like that. Yes Cane is the incumbent but Ardie is currently playing better. Like Ian Jones said on the Breakdown this week Ardie has the ability to take the All Black number 7 jersey to a whole new level. He just offers alot more than Cane and it wouldn't suprise me if he surpasses him in a few years.



  • ...and Sopoaga. Right now it's 1. Cruden 2. Sopoaga 3. Barrett. With daylight between them.

    As starters maybe, but I'd say BB is still a lock for the bench spot as 10/15 cover.



  • I probably haven't seen enough of Savea to understand but how is Savea playing better than Cane? and how does he offer a whole lot more?



  • As starters maybe, but I'd say BB is still a lock for the bench spot as 10/15 cover.

    100%. Barrett looks destined to go down in history as the ABs best ever sub.



  • You obviously haven't been watching the Canes to make a statement like that. Yes Cane is the incumbent but Ardie is currently playing better. Like Ian Jones said on the Breakdown this week Ardie has the ability to take the All Black number 7 jersey to a whole new level. He just offers alot more than Cane and it wouldn't suprise me if he surpasses him in a few years.

    Hang on though. You aren't comparing apples with apples. I wouldn't say that Ardie offers a lot more, he offers something different.
     
    I have no doubt that the ABs will be looking for what he can offer them in their setup but at the moment what BSG says is correct. Cane is playing well enough for the selectors to not be jumping at other options. The investment they have in him as a player and leader is ready to be harvested.
    Ardie as the bench player makes more sense.



  • I probably haven't seen enough of Savea to understand but how is Savea playing better than Cane? and how does he offer a whole lot more?

    Hes faster, Id say pound for pound hes the strongest player in Super Rugby and if you watch his work rate he is unbelievable. A mate and I were watching the game against the Rebels and were just gobsmacked at how good he is for a 21 year old. Mark my words he will be the best Canes player ever by the end of his career.



  • I probably haven't seen enough of Savea to understand but how is Savea playing better than Cane? and how does he offer a whole lot more?

    flashy bullshit that rarely transfers to test rugby. Look at his muscles!



  • Both Ardie and BB will see starts in black as well. Simply from the nature of the game and injuries etc.



  • You obviously haven't been watching the Canes to make a statement like that. Yes Cane is the incumbent but Ardie is currently playing better. Like Ian Jones said on the Breakdown this week Ardie has the ability to take the All Black number 7 jersey to a whole new level. He just offers alot more than Cane and it wouldn't suprise me if he surpasses him in a few years.

    hang on.... you seem yo be contradicting yourself. In your first post you said this match would be a  'strong indication on who actually is the supreme open-side atm' .... now you are saying that he might surpass him in a few years. Which is just speculation,. but nothing wrong with that. Very different to your opening statement.
     
    My son also has the ability to take AB 7 play to a whole new level.. just ahve to wait and see if he dodges the curse of his genetics (his mum cannot tackle).
     
    And yes I have watched the Canes.. he looks good. But not as good as Cane. And more importantly Canes game transfers to test.. do we know that about Savea yet?



  • I don't think Cane was this good at 20. 
     



  • I probably haven't seen enough of Savea to understand but how is Savea playing better than Cane? and how does he offer a whole lot more?

    Savea looks shit hot against crap defense as he has the extra pace. Which is why I see him as a great bench option against tired defense.



  • Cane's work this year is fucking outstanding. Especially given the pack in front of him, and his loose forward mates. Perhaps he's just not pretty enough for Caners?



  • well shit, a youtube highlight reel, now I'm convinced!



  • Hes faster, Id say pound for pound hes the strongest player in Super Rugby and if you watch his work rate he is unbelievable. A mate and I were watching the game against the Rebels and were just gobsmacked at how good he is for a 21 year old. Mark my words he will be the best Canes player ever by the end of his career.

    I'd say you are wrong. 
     
    Some of those little fellas might beat him on pound for pound calcs.



  • hang on.... you seem yo be contradicting yourself. In your first post you said this match would be a  'strong indication on who actually is the supreme open-side atm' .... now you are saying that he might surpass him in a few years. Which is just speculation,. but nothing wrong with that. Very different to your opening statement.
     
    My son also has the ability to take AB 7 play to a whole new level.. just ahve to wait and see if he dodges the curse of his genetics (his mum cannot tackle).
     
    And yes I have watched the Canes.. he looks good. But not as good as Cane.

    Don't get me wrong Cane is an awesome player and deserves to be number 1 but there is something special in Ardie. He has the ability to put considerable pressure on Cane when he comes into the All Blacks frame and he has the ability to be a international star. I think its a positive. Wouldn't you rather two amazing open-sides in NZ over one, it certainly creates depth and healthy competition.



  • Didn't Sam Cane make his AB debut at 20, so someone thought he was outstanding then too?
     
    These conversations are always good (often amusing) and highlights the good problems to have.



  • I don't think Cane was this good at 20.

    Wasn't Cane an All Black at 20?
     
    EDIT: What TR said



  • I'd say you are wrong. 
     
    Some of those little fellas might beat him on pound for pound calcs.

    Pfft yeah right. With an older brother like Julian no wonder he throws players off him with ease.



  • I don't think Cane was this good at 20.

    Nah because he was wearing a black jersey and Ardie is only in yellow



  • I don't think Cane was this good at 20. 
     

    Well I will concede that Cane had nowhere near as developed an ability to stand in the backline between the 12 and winger that Savea displayed in that video. 
     
    yes Savea might turn out to be a very good AB, but you seem to forget that most people are taking issue with your initial claims... not your subsequent back track... that maybe one day Savea might be better than cane



  • Hahaha I love winding some of you Ferners up. Tbh I thinks its great to see two outstanding opensides in NZ atm. Both offer quality differences in their style of play and maybe your right, Savea might be more suited to the bench. Whatever the case he is going to be an excitement machine when he finally pulls on the black jersey.



  • Pfft yeah right. With an older brother like Julian no wonder he throws players off him with ease.

    So back it up? What is the criteria?
     
    I've seen Cruden bust through some big tackles and DMac has smashed Nadolo.
     
    Are you talking gym numbers or what?



  • Bingo!
     
    Over the top statement.
    Goal post shift
    "it was only a wind up"
     
    In less than a page too



  • You obviously haven't been watching the Canes to make a statement like that. Yes Cane is the incumbent but Ardie is currently playing better. Like Ian Jones said on the Breakdown this week Ardie has the ability to take the All Black number 7 jersey to a whole new level. He just offers alot more than Cane and it wouldn't suprise me if he surpasses him in a few years.

    Reminds me of when Canes fans were proclaiming Hosea Gear as "the best winger in the world." Looked great at Super level but completely ineffective at test level when facing quality defences.

    Didn't Sam Cane make his AB debut at 20, so someone thought he was outstanding then too?
     
    These conversations are always good (often amusing) and highlights the good problems to have.

    Yep. 20 when Cane debuted, 21 when he was added to the leadership group.
     
    Ardie, on the other hand, was called into the AB squad as a non-playing member at 20 and hasn't been seen in there since. Even Todd was higher up in the pecking order than Ardie.



  • I'd pick Cane every day of the week. Canes4life, how do their stats compare?



  • Classic. All these Chiefs fans getting all defensive. I bet you won't be disagreeing with me when hes in Black and tearing other international sides a new one.



  • We're not defensive. We're right.



  • and us Chiefs fans are used to being defensive as Cane doesn't miss at tackle....



  • Ardie vs Cane stats 2016. Enough said. Ardie is dominating in all facets.
     
    Minutes: A - 539 C - 521
    Tries: A - 3  C - 3
    Carries: A- 72  C - 57
    Metres: A-273 C-116
    Clean Breaks: A - 9 C- 2
    Defenders Beaten: A - 14 C - 5
    Tackles: A- 80 C- 72
    Missed Tackles: A - 8 C - 10
    Tackle Success: A - 90.9% C- 87.8%



  • Classic. All these Chiefs fans getting all defensive. I bet you won't be disagreeing with me when hes in Black and tearing other international sides a new one.

    I'm not a Chiefs fan (well actually, I support the Chiefs as much as all the NZ sides) I'm ABs fan....Ardie is a talent, of that there is no doubt, but he is behind Cane, by some distance I expect, however as we know a number of players might only be an injury away from becoming a legend.



  • I'm a Blues fan and Cane is superior to Ardie at this stage. As has been stated Cane has delivered at test level, is the clear first choice AB 7 and playing extremely well.
     
    Ardie is having a great season in his own right, better than expected i'd say given that he has been away with the 7s. With the 7s it will look like Ardie will have to wait til the EOYT at the earliest to get his shot in the AB jersey.



  • and us Chiefs fans are used to being defensive as Cane doesn't miss at tackle....

    By the stats above he misses more than Ardie.  :good1:



  • We're not defensive. We're right.

    Okay Mariner because you've contributed so much to this discussion.



  • By the stats above he misses more than Ardie.  :good1:

    Touche



  • I'm out people. Let the battle commence on Saturday. Chahoooo  :hi:



  • Geez Canes4life you may well live in the best city in NZ but your over the top hyperbole gets a bit much.



  • Ardie vs Cane stats 2016. Enough said. Ardie is dominating in all facets.
     
    Minutes: A - 539 C - 521
    Tries: A - 3  C - 3
    Carries: A- 72  C - 57
    Metres: A-273 C-116
    Clean Breaks: A - 9 C- 2
    Defenders Beaten: A - 14 C - 5
    Tackles: A- 80 C- 72
    Missed Tackles: A - 8 C - 10
    Tackle Success: A - 90.9% C- 87.8%

    Would need:
     
    Errors
    Penalties Conceded
    Turnovers won
    Cleanouts
     
    To get the full picture.
     
    I'm happy that they're both playing so well though.
     
    I honestly don't think the All Blacks this year will skip a beat. Many pundits (mostly overseas) have suggested that the departure of so much experience would hit them hard, but it looks like instead we will get a rejuvenated squad that will be able to stamp a fresh mark.
     
    Losing McCaw is always going to be a blow, but there is now room for a guy like Savea in the squad to offer something new. Fantastic!


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