The Artist Formerly Known As ... RIP
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Smudge" data-cid="575760" data-time="1461926687"><p>
Now I'm pretty sure this is much more deserving ''die in a fire idiot'' insult. Or maybe just the biggest cringe gif anyone can find (can't be bothered myself).</p></blockquote>
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<p>Be outraged Jegga, and Smudge, one man's 'worst' is another man's 'best'. :yes:</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="575770" data-time="1461930993"><p>Don't get the need to leave the tropical paradise you live in to go to holiday in another tropical paradise. <br>
It's hardly like you need a break away from the cold weather.<br>
Drive up the road to Port Douglas!</p></blockquote>
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<p>Be outraged Jegga, and Smudge, one man's 'worst' is another man's 'best'. :yes:</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="575770" data-time="1461930993"><p>
Don't get the need to leave the tropical paradise you live in to go to holiday in another tropical paradise. <br><br>
It's hardly like you need a break away from the cold weather.<br><br>
Drive up the road to Port Douglas!</p></blockquote>
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<p>Mn5, you're my boy, but you're a bit of a tool on these music threads. You make massive claims based on your own taste, use Willis terms like "axeman", and then fall back on the "internet tough guy" call when anyone calls you on it.<br><br>
Music is taste, there is no right answer.<br><br>
Knopfler is fucking amazing by the way</p>
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<p>I don't care that he disagrees, there's no basis to his disagreement that's all and I've always said it does irk me when people make bullshit threats that's all. As for massive claims based on own taste I'm not alone there, that's what every single post on every single movie/music thread is.....</p>
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<p>It's a bit rich you having a go at me on this after your little bitch fight with Rancid on of all things, Star Wars ????</p>
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<p>You reckon Knopfler is amazing.....cool. How exactly ? I don't, him and Clapton don't have that wow factor to me, they are rated as Guitar heroes but when I was learning the guitar I found their stuff quite easy to play. Shit from other guitarists of their era was technically far more difficult and as a result sounded better to me. Again, all taste but in my opinion The Breeze shouldn't play stuff by guitar "hero's".....Clapton and Dire Straits are all over it.</p>
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<p>Knopfler played sessions for Steely Dan and Bob Dylan. That's cred.</p>
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<p>Can I recommend Bryan Ferry's "Windswept" off Boys and Girls? Knopfler and Gilmour on the same track. With Tony Levin on bass.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="575812" data-time="1461974088"><p>I don't care that he disagrees, there's no basis to his disagreement that's all and I've always said it does irk me when people make bullshit threats that's all.</p></blockquote><br>An internet colloquialism to show disdain for people who say the stupidest shit is a serious and real threat to you? You certainly have a high opinion of yourself.<br> <br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><p>You reckon Knopfler is amazing.....cool. How exactly ? I don't, him and Clapton don't have that wow factor to me, they are rated as Guitar heroes but when I was learning the guitar I found their stuff quite easy to play.</p></blockquote><br>Even Anne Frank wouldn't have mistaken your playing for theirs. There's a smaller distance between Earth and Jupiter than a beginner who manages to hit the same notes as he reads the tab in front of him. There are some unbelievably technically brilliant guitarists in conservatoriums, but they aren't creating the music Knopfler and Clapton did. They aren't creating or redefining genres for other guitarists, nor does most of the guitar playing world recognise them for their contributions. Interstingly both Knopfler and Clapton are economical players, doing only what's necessary for the songs they play on to transcend. Perhaps they just aren't flashy enough for you to appreciate. Pity Chet Atkins died before you took up the guitar, he'd love to have played with someone who found their shit easy to play.
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Antipodean have you ever read Mick Walls Metallica biography exit light? There's a part in it where the producer of master of puppets finally snaps and asks Urlich if he has to start every song with a downbeat and he asks " what's s downbeat ?" This was when he was being touted as one of the worlds premier drummers, around the same time he was telling people Phil Rudd and Charlie Watts were the worst drummers ever. About 10 years later he was telling people the exact opposite . I think you're having the same conversion with MN5 .
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<p>An internet colloquialism to show disdain for people who say the stupidest shit is a serious and real threat to you? You certainly have a high opinion of yourself.<br>
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Even Anne Frank wouldn't have mistaken your playing for theirs. There's a smaller distance between Earth and Jupiter than a beginner who manages to hit the same notes as he reads the tab in front of him. There are some unbelievably technically brilliant guitarists in conservatoriums, but they aren't creating the music Knopfler and Clapton did. They aren't creating or redefining genres for other guitarists, nor does most of the guitar playing world recognise them for their contributions. Interstingly both Knopfler and Clapton are economical players, doing only what's necessary for the songs they play on to transcend. Perhaps they just aren't flashy enough for you to appreciate. Pity Chet Atkins died before you took up the guitar, he'd love to have played with someone who found their shit easy to play.</p>
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<p>I said irked, not threatened.</p>
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<p>I said I thought they were overrated and mentioned others I preferred all of whom are undeniable hall of famers themselves. You wanna try and sing their praises and go on about the influences Clapton and Knopfler had then fill your fucken boots, I don't rate them in that echelon and no words will change that. For players of that "type" ie economical I reckon Dave Gilmour is a much better example of someone who knew what to play or not. </p> -
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<p>Antipodean have you ever read Mick Walls Metallica biography exit light? There's a part in it where the producer of master of puppets finally snaps and asks Urlich if he has to start every song with a downbeat and he asks " what's s downbeat ?" This was when he was being touted as one of the worlds premier drummers, around the same time he was telling people Phil Rudd and Charlie Watts were the worst drummers ever. About 10 years later he was telling people the exact opposite . I think you're having the same conversion with MN5 .</p>
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<p>In one sense you can't have too many "genius's" in a band or else it will implode as Cream did.</p>
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<p>Deep Purples bass player and producer Roger Glover said something along the lines of he was definitely the least prodigious talent in the band by far compared to Blackmore/Lord/Paice and Gillan but was happy to play second fiddle and "make them look good" and those four were definitely the kind of talents everyone on their respective instruments wanted to emulate. Having seen them live 10 years ago I can confirm that he clearly still loves what he does and from interviews I've seen appears to have little to no ego for a rock star and member of a band as iconic as Purple is.....</p>
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<p>Some call Ringo Starr a revolutionary figure on the drums but John Lennon famously mentioned that he wasn't even the best drummer in the beatles let alone the world. It's all subjective.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="576094" data-time="1462069779"><p>Antipodean have you ever read Mick Walls Metallica biography exit light? There's a part in it where the producer of master of puppets finally snaps and asks Urlich if he has to start every song with a downbeat and he asks " what's s downbeat ?" This was when he was being touted as one of the worlds premier drummers, around the same time he was telling people Phil Rudd and Charlie Watts were the worst drummers ever. About 10 years later he was telling people the exact opposite . I think you're having the same conversion with MN5 .</p></blockquote><br>Enter Light, yes I own it.<br><br>The only people who considered Lars a brilliant drummer were high-school kids. Even then plenty of people were saying he was a shit drummer. I distinctly recall these arguments because I was at school listening to Puppets and Justice. But these were the same kids who thought Kirk was the best ever guitarist, or Tommy Lee the best drummer in the world because he played upside down in a spinning cage. The big difference is critical acclaim doesn't come from kids, it comes from peers. Something Mark and Eric have in abundance.<br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="576095" data-time="1462069795"><p>I said irked, not threatened.</p></blockquote><br>You said threat, I quoted you.
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<p>Enter Light, yes I own it.<br><br>
The only people who considered Lars a brilliant drummer were high-school kids. Even then plenty of people were saying he was a shit drummer. I distinctly recall these arguments because I was at school listening to Puppets and Justice. But these were the same kids who thought Kirk was the best ever guitarist, or Tommy Lee the best drummer in the world because he played upside down in a spinning cage. The big difference is critical acclaim doesn't come from kids, i<strong>t comes from peers. Something Mark and Eric have in abundance.</strong><br><br><br>
You said threat, I quoted you.</p>
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<p>True but public opinion kinda matters too and peers disagree over certain artists merits. It's hilarious reading Ginger Baker ripping apart other famous musos and mentioning how shit such and such is. That doco "Beware Mr Baker" was brilliant, what a cantankerous old arsehole he is, but what a player he is too ( I'm not a world famous rock drummer but am I allowed to have an opinion on his playing ? )</p> -
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<p>Wyld Stallyns!</p>
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<p>Wyld Stallyns!</p>
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<p>That movie may or may not have been a major influence in me picking up the guitar on summer holiday in 1990 and whilst being frustrated I wasn't quite a master I took solace in the fact I was a) better than them and b ) able to bust out sweet versions of both "Sunshine of your love" AND "Smoke on the Water" both on the bottom E string. Clapton and Blackmore combined didn't have shit on me......</p> -
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True but public opinion kinda matters too and peers disagree over certain artists merits. It's hilarious reading Ginger Baker ripping apart other famous musos and mentioning how shit such and such is. That doco "Beware Mr Baker" was brilliant, what a cantankerous old arsehole he is, but what a player he is too ( I'm not a world famous rock drummer but am I allowed to have an opinion on his playing ? )</p></blockquote>
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Isnt Ginger Baker supposed to an appalling person to be around ? What do suppose they were on when they wrote the lyrics to anyone for tennis?