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  • So after years of thinking about it, I've done a fair bit of research and I'm placing an order for one of these.
     
    http://uk.caterhamcars.com/cars/seven-360
     
    I'm going to get it in boxes and build it myself.  I've got more or less no mechanical experience, but it's something i've always been absolutely fascinated by and extremely excited about it.
     
    Anybody ever done it before?  Any tips or things I could possible be aware of?
     
    Probably the wrong forum for this, PistonHeads in the UK the ideal one, but thought I'd try the fern collective anyway.



  • Cool project , I had a client who built one with a 2 litre Toyota motor in it. I'm not sure what motor you're looking at but he went for that one for ease of getting parts and lots of bolt on stuff to make it go faster
    As far as advice goes all I can add is buy some of those magnetic dishes that auto parts stores sell. They are a huge help when it comes to not losing small parts .
    Can you weld ? I'm not sure if you have to do much welding on those but I did a night course s few years back which has come in handy . If you're like my client you'll finish it , swear you'll never do it again and a couple of years later start an ac cobra replica.



  • No welding experience apart from high school, but this project is purely a bolt-together thing.  I've built a few radio control cars in my time from scratch, so I'm estimating it's going to be like this, but much bigger.
     
    I'm torn a bit on what car to get. All the advice I'm getting is 50/50 split straight down the middle on getting the cheapest, basic light one, vs getting a more performance one.



  • 23k in pounds and you have to build it yourself ... it's like expensive Ikea.



  • I am in no way a car enthusiast, and have no interest in them beyond going from A to B.
    But... this looks like a great project.  Like big kids lego!
    Does is come with instructions?



  • I am in  i way a car enthusiast, and have no interest in them beyond going from A to B.
    But... this looks like a great project.  Like big kids lego!
    Does is come with instructions?

    If it doesn't, I am 100% completely and utterly fucked at the first hurdle.



  • 23k when you're not chasing all the rust and crap out of a car you're restoring is probably a much better way to go. I think the kits dynacorn are making are much better than buying something to restore.
    Myself, I'd go with the budget build and upgrade down the track. A car like that is always going to have little bits and pieces you want improve anyway .



  • this looks like a great project. Like big kids lego!
    Does is come with instructions?

    About the same price as Lego too!



  • I know plenty of people who have built cars, RX2s and 3's, Skylines, Silvias, old Falcons, Toranas etc and admire the work they have done...would like to think I could do it, but I think I'd be kidding myself.
     
    Cost of these projects always far outweigh any financial reward if you end up having to sell it, but then that aint why most do it anyway!



  • I'm torn a bit on what car to get. All the advice I'm getting is 50/50 split straight down the middle on getting the cheapest, basic light one, vs getting a more performance one.

    Depends on the price for each part. If the suspension and brakes are the same, you could worry about an engine swap down the line which is actually cheap considering. As someone who has spent spent more sums than a sane person on modifying cars, the adage do it once properly comes to mind - it ends up being cheaper.



  • Are these the newer version of the good old Lotus Seven?



  • Crucial - Yep.  I'll take you for a spin in it down the line, just remember though, this is a performance car that I built ...

    Depends on the price for each part. If the suspension and brakes are the same, you could worry about an engine swap down the line which is actually cheap considering. As someone who has spent spent more sums than a sane person on modifying cars, the adage do it once properly comes to mind - it ends up being cheaper.

    The seven-160 which is only 17k is a different setup to the 270/360/420.  So if you get that, I think you are sort of limited in what you can do to upgrade that.
     
    The 270/360/420 range is upgraded everything, as they are more performance cars.  
     
    This is where I get lost, as I really do think I should probably just get the 160, build it, enjoy it, drive it and have some fun.  But I know as soon as that's done I'll have one eye on the performance models.    All the advice I look up seems to be straight down the middle on what to do!



  • If it doesn't, I am 100% completely and utterly fucked at the first hurdle.

    The wheels go on the bottom.



  • The wheels go on the bottom.

    You would spend days looking for the solar panel.



  • Well, chances are I wouldn't buy a petrol car anyway. Electric drive train much simpler to construct.
     
     
    MR - looks like a hell of a lot of fun. Great project for an old bloke 😉
     
    A mate of mine was looking at the Caterham. Fucking fantastic power/weight ratio.
     
    But he has money, so he settled on an Elfin MS8 clubman. Open wheeler, with a Commodore V8 in it. Goes like a scalded cat.



  • Well, chances are I wouldn't buy a petrol car anyway. Electric drive train much simpler to construct.
     
     
    MR - looks like a hell of a lot of fun. Great project for an old bloke 😉
     
    A mate of mine was looking at the Caterham. Fucking fantastic power/weight ratio.
     
    But he has money, so he settled on an Elfin MS8 clubman. Open wheeler, with a Commodore V8 in it. Goes like a scalded cat.

    Yeah, I had looked at this.  It's basically the same thing x2.  Twice the weight, twice the power..  Thus simliar performance.



  • A few years back I was thinking of a Lotus 7 kit-car - they manufacture these in Auckland
     
    http://www.fraser.co.nz/the-car/
     
    Problem is, with all the stupid high 4WD vehicles around today, I wouldn't want to drive one on the road - cars would just not see you and drive straight over you



  • I would love to do one of these,http://www.dynacorn.com/ they are 1mm galv steel and right hand drive is an option on some models.



  • Good luck with your build. For anyone interested the history of these comes from Lotus. Colin Chapman sold the 7's in Kit form to get around UK taxes at the time. Then Caterham bought the IP from Lotus and have been offering these in various engine formats for years - mostly factory built.
    They would be great in NZ - a real drivers car for our type of roads where people start thinking the world will end if you do over 150kph.
    I have a 2 litre Toyota race engine that pulls like a school boy, if you want a high performance engine. Located in the UK though so would cost you quite a bit to get to NZ.



  • Good luck with your build. For anyone interested the history of these comes from Lotus. Colin Chapman sold the 7's in Kit form to get around UK taxes at the time. Then Caterham bought the IP from Lotus and have been offering these in various engine formats for years - mostly factory built.
    They would be great in NZ - a real drivers car for our type of roads where people start thinking the world will end if you do over 150kph.
    I have a 2 litre Toyota race engine that pulls like a school boy, if you want a high performance engine. Located in the UK though so would cost you quite a bit to get to NZ.

    I'll be building it in Surrey so all good from that perspective!



  • If it doesn't, I am 100% completely and utterly fucked at the first hurdle.



  • Caterham 7s have an awesome power to weight ratio, obviously more so with the bigger engine models. I had a dice with a Caterham500 when I was driving a Merc 350SLK (no, I am not a hairdresser's apprentice). I knew the Caterham would have the edge over me, I just wasn't ready to see just how big that edge was. He was stuck behind me at the lights and I took off like the proverbial scalded cat and he did the same, keeping inches behind my rear bumper then just flicked his wheel and overtook me on the inside and lost me within about 100 yards. Just totally blew me away. Amazing for a car designed in the 1950s.
     
    Mind you, stick a radio and a heater in them and the power to weight ratio becomes somewhat more sane.



  • If you're making a Kit Car, make sure it has a cool red light in the grill, comes to collect you when you call it with your smart watch, and, most importantly, make sure the GPS is narrated by William Daniels.



  • And so it begins .... delivered yesterday ...

    Delivered the below, plus 4 wheels, and engine, a gearbox, and about 30-40 other significant parts. Oh, and also bout 900 bolts, washers, rivets etc etc.

    And a 285 page instruction manual. I'm 50% excited,and 50% feeling like Mike Catt at one point during 1995 ...

    Seriously, at the moment in my house, in the garage, there is a diff on a wooden shelf. How fucking masculine is that!!!

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  • @MajorRage have you watched the show where they build one? Its on the turbo channel over here, the host is a dry bastard but he knows his stuff.

    Ive been following these guys,



  • @MajorRage said in Home Mechanics / Kit Car:

    And a 285 page instruction manual. I'm 50% excited,and 50% feeling like Mike Catt at one point during 1995 ...

    You'll be fine - it's only 6 steps:
    http://uk.caterhamcars.com/cars/self-assembly

    and you've already done 3 of them...Expect you'll have it finished by the time I type this.

    So exactly which model did you go for? Couldn't see the 2.0 toyota engine option on the website? Not one of their usual ones? Did notice the seven620R starts at 50,490 pounds (gulp) but 0-60mph in 2.79 so must be worth it. They are all pretty damn fun though.

    Oh, and build it in the kitchen, your wife will love it.



  • Going to post photos here?



  • Can if wanted - Haven't started as yet, as finishing the house renovation then away for a couple of weeks - so hopefully around the end of August I'll be able to get cracking



  • It would be great to see a timeline photo collection MR. Good luck with the project mate.



  • @Catogrande said in Home Mechanics / Kit Car:

    It would be great to see a timeline photo collection MR. Good luck with the project mate.

    Likety Like Like!

    Do it!



  • @Hooroo said in Home Mechanics / Kit Car:

    @Catogrande said in Home Mechanics / Kit Car:

    It would be great to see a timeline photo collection MR. Good luck with the project mate.

    Likety Like Like!

    Do it!

    I'd love to see that too. I have just got my TVR back after a 6 year rebuild. It had some corrosion in the chassis outrigger and then...new clutch, shocks, brakes, etc, etc,. While it is pulled apart might as well do this, and this, and this, right? I didn't do all that much of the work myself but do understand what @MajorRage is undertaking. It's big, but should be really good fun.

    The seven is a similar concept to the TVR I think? Seriously overpowered, lightweight deathtrap designed and built by a bunch of insane Brits. I have just amused hundreds of people sitting at a busy intersection by completely running out of talent. I was out in the car for the second time since getting it back and it rained. Steering one of these things with your right foot is one thing but if you haven't done it for a while...end result was fishtailing and over correcting for about a km to actual applause from onlookers. I can only assume that they thought that the whole show was deliberate. It's hard to make your fuck ups inconspicuous when a 4 lt v8 is shouting "look at me" to all and sundry.

    Anyway. I shat myself. Be warned MR.

    (Is there some way that I can stop TR from reading that? He insured it).



  • @Snowy Aaah! The good old TVR. Great beasts. I saw a road test by some motoring magazine years ago who had been told this Tuscan did 0-30 in 3.9 seconds (early 1970s so seriously quick). The test driver couldn't beat 4,2 seconds, so the owner went out with him. "Oh, I see what you're doing wrong. You're changing up into second..."

    I had heard that the name TVR came from one of the original owners, a Mr T Wilkinson. First name TreVoR. They lost some of their allure immediately.

    Which model have you got @Snowy ?



  • @Catogrande said in Home Mechanics / Kit Car:

    "Oh, I see what you're doing wrong. You're changing up into second..."

    "Oh, I see what you're doing wrong. You're changing up into second..."
    Rookie mistake - even finding second takes time.

    I have a Chimaera. 4.0 HC. It is basically just a fun way to die and yes my car is named Trevor - agreed that it isn't very sexy as a name. The car has a bit about it though - shape, curves, and just flat out noise. Not always a thing that one would want in a woman but great in a grossly overpowered car it is a bit of a giggle.



  • @Snowy said in Home Mechanics / Kit Car:

    @Catogrande said in Home Mechanics / Kit Car:

    "Oh, I see what you're doing wrong. You're changing up into second..."

    "Oh, I see what you're doing wrong. You're changing up into second..."
    Rookie mistake - even finding second takes time.

    I have a Chimaera. 4.0 HC. It is basically just a fun way to die and yes my car is named Trevor - agreed that it isn't very sexy as a name. The car has a bit about it though - shape, curves, and just flat out noise. Not always a thing that one would want in a woman but great in a grossly overpowered car it is a bit of a giggle.

    Massive understatement! I am already feeling a pang of jealousy.



  • @Catogrande said in Home Mechanics / Kit Car:

    I am already feeling a pang of jealousy.

    Don't. I am driving a plastic coffin and it rained again today with similar results to earlier post.
    Funny how cars reflect the stereotypes I have of nationalities. The TVR is batshit crazy like my Brit friends and rellies .The RS4 is so refined but kind of lacking in personality. They both have their place - as does the hilux which really has nothing Japanese about it other than a faint smell of wasabi after lunch the other day.

    MR has gone very quiet. Assume that he is still reading a "how to" manual.



  • I'm still here! Abeilt not very often.

    As per the Bucket list thread, I've been away for a bit, but now that I'm back and the kids start school tomorrow, time should free up!

    If I can work out how to post photos from the iPhone, then I'll dump some on here.

    So far, have done front suspension, as well as some other prep work ... slow going!

    For the TVR vs Caterham debate ... they are similar but completely different! TVR have big fookin engines, essentially on a light space frame - although they have much more creature comforts than the 7. Caterhams are skeleton cars which weigh basically nothing, and subsequently only come with 1.6-2.0 engines. Both are easy enough to end up facing the other way, and should not really be driven in the wet by amateurs!



  • @MajorRage said in Home Mechanics / Kit Car:

    should not really be driven in the wet by amateurs

    Ahh - there's my problem! I should turn pro. Yes!

    My teen age racing rally cars background has lead me to believe that I can drive fast in cars for talented people. I was wrong then and I still am. Enjoy it though, it is exhilarating, as well as frightening.

    Good points about the TVR and Caterham. Simalar concept (light weight / huge power) different machines / engines.

    Trev is a very comfortable car /coffin. Can drive it for hours and still want to push harder into a corner.

    Please post photos. Would love to see a car in a box - so to speak.



  • Progress report 1 ... most of the work has simply been faffing around with the front suspension. Which his almost done.

    Slow progress I know ...

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  • Looks like it is about to come to life as a creature in a Speilberg movie.



  • I see you have gone for THE colour scheme. Good man!


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