England to whitewash Australia



  • OK, so maybe England could whitewash Aus would be a better title.
     
    This from Noddy (I can only imagine the level of foaming at the mouth if an ex-England player had dared say the same - mind you, after getting tonked in the pool stages of RWC it is a big leap):-
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/36134237



  • They have to travel to Australia with the attitude of 'we are going to win three nil', otherwise they will get spanked by the Aussies. I think its the right attitude for a touring team to have. It may not pan out that way but they have to believe they will.



  • Not a chance



  • I personally can't see England whitewashing Australia. They will need to give the scrubs a run in Melbourne after locking it up 2-0 and Aussie can win the dead rubber.



  • I agree Mike. Not a chance. Mind you I wouldn't put money on any side beating Aus 3-0 in Aus. Even the All Blacks.



  • Be hard too with Ford kicking the goals
     



  • Not having Farrell might help bring Ford out of his slump



  • I agree Mike. Not a chance. Mind you I wouldn't put money on any side beating Aus 3-0 in Aus. Even the All Blacks.

    yes, when we play Australia in Sydney , we dont get it all our own way , 
     
    So its hard to imagine why England will



  • This is a huge call, especially from such a calm, measured, mature analyst such as Lynagh.
     
    He must have stock options on Eddie Jones or something.



  • pandering to his audience like Fitzy was often accused of?



  • Calling it now: Poms are unbackable faves for the whitewash
     
    :whistle:



  • England are certainly on the improve and they've got some talent - particularly in their locks. I still see this as the most competitive of the June Tours. Wales aren't playing well and have injury concerns, so they're fucked. Ireland look poorly one dimensional and even with a new coach, winning in South Africa is beyond them at this point.
     
    England should win at least one Test.



  • Cant we swap and give the welsh to Australia, rather see us play the Poms as they will be tougher than Wales



  • Cant we swap and give the welsh to Australia, rather see us play the Poms as they will be tougher than Wales

    I'm in the opposite camp.  Looking forward to the welsh challenge, they don't get down our way often enough.



  • Was 2003 the last time they were in NZ? Remember a very young Dan Carter and Joe Rok playing in that game.



  • Was 2003 the last time they were in NZ? Remember a very young Dan Carter and Joe Rok playing in that game.



  • Was 2003 the last time they were in NZ? Remember a very young Dan Carter and Joe Rok playing in that game.

    The test where Jerry Collins knocked a guy out in a tackle and put him in the recovery position in the same movement.



  • Not a chance

    I have to disagree Mike. There's always a chance.
    There's also a vanishingly small chance that I could become Pope, but I think it's possibly the safer bet.



  • The test where Jerry Collins knocked a guy out in a tackle clotheslined Colin Charvis and Tana Umaga put him in the recovery position in the same movement.

    Fixed it for you :hi:
     



  • Fixed it for you :hi:


    Clothesline? Looks more like a coconut tackle to me...



  • Shoulder on jaw, then straight into the choke hold 😉



  • Who will Australia not have from last year's RWC squad?
     
    AAC? Mitchell? Giteau? Presumably all eligible to play if they want to?



  • Who will Australia not have from last year's RWC squad?
     
    AAC? Mitchell? Giteau? Presumably all eligible to play if they want to?

    The lack of players in the RWC squad is less interesting for me than the lack of the RWC.
     
    An RWC always seems to focus the mind of the Australian Rugby fraternity - without it however they are all over the shop. I fancy they will struggle this season - odd selections and underperformance are very likely.



  • Who will Australia not have from last year's RWC squad?
     
    AAC? Mitchell? Giteau? Presumably all eligible to play if they want to?

    Cheika just confirmed yesterday that the NH players won't be selected for the England series.
    They will be available for selection in the RC though however.
     
    So that's also Sekope Kepu and Will Genia out.
    Kane Douglas is injured.
     
     
    That's not too bad but there isn't exactly a plethora of in-form candidates putting their hand up to fill these gaps.



  • This is the most settled our team will be coming into the first test in recent memory. Basically there are only a few spots free. 99% locked are:

    1. Scott Sio
    2. Stephen Moore
    3. Greg Holmes
    4. Rob Simmons
    5. Scott Fardy
    6. Michael Hoopah
    7. David Pocock
    8. Nick Phipps
    9. Bernard Foley
    10. Tevita Kuridrani
    11. Israel Folau
       
      Joe Tomane would have had a wing spot locked down but he is unlikely due to injury. 12 is between Beale and Toomua. The other lock spot is fairly open, as are the wingers - though Rob Horne has the inside running for one spot.
       
      But really there will be very little controversy when the team is picked. That won't stop some from whinging though, I'm sure.


  • This is the most settled our team will be coming into the first test in recent memory.

    Fair point. Four spots up for grabs is very settled in the greater scheme of things.
     
    What would your 23 look like?



  • No other number eights to have Pocock at 7 Barb?
     
    Or maybe that's his best spot anyway?



  • Would love to see Holloway get a crack at some point.



  • Would love to see Holloway get a crack at some point.

    Sorry Nick, I'm too lazy to look it up, number 8? Which team?



  • Sorry Nick, I'm too lazy to look it up, number 8? Which team?
    Think it's the waratahs bloke? Damaging runner, like Thomas Waldrom but slightly slimmer.



  • The way we mullered the Aussie line out in the RWC final, and given that the poms have a pretty good line out (new black fellow looks the goods), it might be prudent for the Wallabies to have 4 options instead of their current 3. 
     
    Pocock can do Hoopahs job if they have a jumping number eight option



  • Who do the non-Aussies and non-English want to win the series?
     
    Ockers for me
     
    A bit like choosing between gonorrhea and herpes I'll grant you but, gonorrhea doesn't linger for your lifetime 🙂



  • Who do the non-Aussies and non-English want to win the series?
     
    Ockers for me
     
    A bit like choosing between gonorrhea and herpes I'll grant you but, gonorrhea doesn't linger for your lifetime 🙂

    Convicts every time



  • Who do the non-Aussies and non-English want to win the series?
     
    Ockers for me
     
    A bit like choosing between gonorrhea and herpes I'll grant you but, gonorrhea doesn't linger for your lifetime 🙂

    England, for all his eccentricities I do quite like Eddie Jones. He isn't exceptional, but he does run a very efficient ship and there aren't too many objectionable players these days. The media (at least what I've read) haven't been too OTT about the team so far.
     
    Australia winning would be nice though just to have the media/coach/team crowing going into another Bledisloe spanking. How many false dawns can that country have since 2003?



  • Convicts every time

    So much for love thy neighbour. C'mon you Kiwis!!!!  :yes:



  • Aussies to win - keep those wounds open!



  • Australia, can you imagine listening to the poms and Jones tossing off about how great they are and that they are now the favorites to win the RWC and that they are number 1 now



  • Think it's the waratahs bloke? Damaging runner, like Thomas Waldrom but slightly slimmer.

    Yep. Has been with the Tahs for a few years but in Palu's shadow.
    Lineout ability, good pace, around that good size frame for an eighth man. Starting to play 80 minutes this season after a few 50-60 slots. Only 24 so plenty of improvement left.
    Depends how the coach wants to play it. McCalman the other option for me, if The Pooper isn't in play.



  • Fair point. Four spots up for grabs is very settled in the greater scheme of things.
     
    What would your 23 look like?

    That's pretty settled as well:
     
    16. TPN
    17. Slipper
    18. Ben Alexander
    19. Rory Arnold/Sam Carter/Adam Coleman
    20. Ben McCalman
    21. Nick Stirzacker
    22. Christian Lealiifano maybe
    23. Beale/Toomua
     
    The short version is there won't be too many bolters or debutants.



  • Tomane will be a big loss - he's been in some special form for the Brumbies.
     
    TIL - England didn't tour Australia until 1975 when they played in Sydney and then Brisbane. This will be the first three Test tour.


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