Canes v Reds



  • With a big thank you to Ardie. Finally, we get to see Tony Lamborn on the bench again. Hopefully, he'll get more than 5 minutes on the field this time.
     
    Canes are lucky it's only the Reds for their experiment with newbie Goosen.



  • This side should still get the job done. Probably asking too much for a bonus point victory but we should get the 4. Reds however will see this as the perfect opportunity to pounce on a weakened Canes side.





  • I'm quietly chuffed that Coles behaved!
     
    Is Julean Savea become the Tamiefuna of Backs?  Wasting his talent and getting fat?!?



  • Goosen has been in hot form for his club so hopefully he can bring that confidence into this game.
     
    Annoying that those players broke protocol, not a good look. Wonder if Coles was more pissed about not being invited or that it was his experienced guys goofing off  :whistle:
     
    Not a good look in particular for the Savea's - Ardie has chosen an interesting way to show his commitment to the Canes (rather than 7's) and his big bro still seems to be cruising along. Maybe the latter needs a bigger boot to the ass? 
     
    Victor is leaving end of season so this could give someone else a sniff and who knows what was going through CJ's mind... 
     
    Not the biggest deal in the world but ffs is it that hard to operate within the team rules?



  • Julian doesn't deserve a Black jersey in June from the way hes been carrying on. 
     
    First he starts the season fat and lazy, secondly once he got fit he has done pretty much f all and now this. He is going the right way about throwing his jersey away.
     
    Personally I wouldn't pick him just to give him a wake up call. That may sound harsh but I think it's the right thing to do to get him switched on again.
     
    We have too much talent in NZ for him to be pissing around.



  • Goosen has been in hot form for his club so hopefully he can bring that confidence into this game.
     
    Annoying that those players broke protocol, not a good look. Wonder if Coles was more pissed about not being invited or that it was his experienced guys goofing off  :whistle:
     
    Not a good look in particular for the Savea's - Ardie has chosen an interesting way to show his commitment to the Canes (rather than 7's) and his big bro still seems to be cruising along. Maybe the latter needs a bigger boot to the ass? 
     
    Victor is leaving end of season so this could give someone else a sniff and who knows what was going through CJ's mind... 
     
    Not the biggest deal in the world but ffs is it that hard to operate within the team rules?

    I was at the pre season game against the Blues in Eke and id have to say Goosen was our best back on the park. He has some real gas. He kind of reminds me of Jordaan from the Sharks. Not the biggest but he has a big ticker.



  • Goosen looked tidy in ITM Cup last year. Definitely worthy of his shot i'd say.



  • I'm quietly chuffed that Coles behaved!
     
    Is Julean Savea become the Tamiefuna of Backs?  Wasting his talent and getting fat?!?

    wait what? wasting his talent? A guy with 41 caps and 38 tries? World Cup winner (as a starting player) Julian Savea?



  • Julian doesn't deserve a Black jersey in June from the way hes been carrying on. 
     
    First he starts the season fat and lazy, secondly once he got fit he has done pretty much f all and now this. He is going the right way about throwing his jersey away.
     
    Personally I wouldn't pick him just to give him a wake up call. That may sound harsh but I think it's the right thing to do to get him switched on again.
     
    We have too much talent in NZ for him to be pissing around.

    I'm not actually convinced we do, on the wings at least. Especially to slot in as a starting player in a months time



  • Gee, and Ardie was all lined up to knock Cane out of the 7 jersey too.



  • I thought that was a done deal?



  • wait what? wasting his talent? A guy with 41 caps and 38 tries? World Cup winner (as a starting player) Julian Savea?

    I knew someone would say that and not see what I meant! 🙂
     
    I meant now he seems to be rather than over-all. (I'm also not comparing acheivements between the two fatties)



  • I'm not actually convinced we do, on the wings at least. Especially to slot in as a starting player in a months time

    I'm pretty sure that Ngatai and Moala, although no real outside backs, would do fine against Wales on the left wing.



  • I knew someone would say that and not see what I meant! 🙂
     
    I meant now he seems to be rather than over-all. (I'm also not comparing acheivements between the two fatties)

    He's a professional athlete in a professional team being picked every week. And an established member of the national side in an environment where every resource is aimed at ensuring the national team remains at the pinnacle. I think if his skin folds weren't at acceptable levels, and his on-field output wasn't up to scratch, he would know about it from every level. I would be astounded if his spot was in jeopardy for June that he didn't already know about it.



  • I'm pretty sure that Ngatai and Moala, although no real outside backs, would do fine against Wales on the left wing.

    James Lowe isn't half bad, either.



  • I'm pretty sure that Ngatai and Moala, although no real outside backs, would do fine against Wales on the left wing.

    yea, this is the All Blacks, i expect a little more than "do fine". And if that is the bar, then i am even more sure J Savea would "do fine".
     
     
    That aside, i think Moala would be more than fine, i think he would do a good job, and if he gets picked, i expect it as a wing/centre utility. I would also be happy with Dagg coming back in, Smith going back to wing, and Naholo moving. But my point is, you would want to be bloody sure of yourself before you cut an established, and proven All Black. You don't do it "to send a message" if you don't have anyone that's noticeably better. This applies especially for the ABs, who seem to ignore Super Rugby form for established players.



  • James Lowe isn't half bad, either.

    decent level Super rugby player, not sure he's any more than that. And there are a couple around in that basket.



  • decent level Super rugby player, not sure he's any more than that. And there are a couple around in that basket.

    You don't know until he gets a chance. He has been one of the best attacking players in the competition the last couple of years.



  • You don't know until he gets a chance. He has been one of the best attacking players in the competition the last couple of years.

    And a terrible 1 on 1 tackler 🙂



  • decision making can be ropey as well



  • Statistically he is doing better on defense than Savea is (as well as Ngatai and Moala). Is it a case of missing the player completely?



  • And a terrible 1 on 1 tackler 🙂

    There goes Dagg's chances of an AB recall.  :mocking:



  • Statistically he is doing better on defense than Savea is (as well as Ngatai and Moala). Is it a case of missing the player completely?

    He misses a lot of tackles, it's an observation (I don't know how the stats treat clear misses)
     
    Savea, Ngatai and Mo'ala are hardly known for their defense anyway.



  • There goes Dagg's chances of an AB recall.  :mocking:

    I've been his biggest critic about this in the last few years.... has been very reluctant to put his body on the line while playing for the crusaders in both attack and defense.
     
    But has shown a considerable change in attitude this year
     
    (I haven't checked the stats on this either)  🙂



  • Osborne was part of a training camp....



  • You don't know until he gets a chance. He has been one of the best attacking players in the competition the last couple of years.

    If he goes into the tackle with the ball it is effectively a turn over to the other team



  • Fair enough, perhaps not Lowe then 🙂
     
    I am a fan of statistics either way, but recently I've had to rely  solely on them as I've had little chance to actually watch most the games (particularly the ones Lowe has been a part of this season). Either way, I think we have people that can come in and do a reasonable job while Savea (hopefully) gets his act together before the Rugby Championship.



  • Julian doesn't deserve a Black jersey in June from the way hes been carrying on. 
     
    First he starts the season fat and lazy, secondly once he got fit he has done pretty much f all and now this. He is going the right way about throwing his jersey away.
     
    Personally I wouldn't pick him just to give him a wake up call. That may sound harsh but I think it's the right thing to do to get him switched on again.
     
    We have too much talent in NZ for him to be pissing around.

    On one hand I agree with you but I am not sure having one rule for some players and another rule for others is a good look. The AB selectors have been tolerant with ABs in the past who have had poor Super campaigns.



  • Statistically he is doing better on defense than Savea is (as well as Ngatai and Moala). Is it a case of missing the player completely?

    I wouldn't mind Lowe getting a shot (way better than Osborne and I think they might be able to help sand down some of his rough edges) but there's no comparing wingers tackling stats to midfielders. Silly.
     
    Anyway, I fuckin knew Jane was going to be one of the dipshits. Didn't think of him at first and would've expected more from a senior player, but then I remembered 2011 when even then, he wasn't exactly a starry eyed youngster. Not surprised by the Savea's or Eves but I am surprised to see Vito there. Dumb.
     
    Respect to Boyd for putting his foot down though. Even if the Reds are shit, it makes an all but certain win into a bit of a question mark.



  • Moala's defense has come a heck of a long way in the last couple of years - his passing for me is a bigger problem - which wouldnt be as much of an issue on the wing.



  • He's a professional athlete in a professional team being picked every week. And an established member of the national side in an environment where every resource is aimed at ensuring the national team remains at the pinnacle. I think if his skin folds weren't at acceptable levels, and his on-field output wasn't up to scratch, he would know about it from every level. I would be astounded if his spot was in jeopardy for June that he didn't already know about it.

    Pick Julian and pick Matt Todd. Then tell Julian, "we would have picked Ardie except we think having one Savea in the team is enough to deal with at present - so stop testing our no dick heads policy".
     
    Tell Ardie the the same. 🙂



  • Machiavellian!



  • On one hand I agree with you but I am not sure having one rule for some players and another rule for others is a good look. The AB selectors have been tolerant with ABs in the past who have had poor Super campaigns.

    I'm not expecting perfection from the big fella every week because that is unrealistic. All I ask is for him to put in 100% effort . At the moment it looks like he barely gives a toss about the Canes jersey and it is reflecting on the team. The Canes always play better when Julian plows into the opposition at full steam because everyone knows full well that when he does, it must be a big game. I just wish it didn't take the big games for him to switch on but I guess that is what fuels his fire. 
     
    Dont forget Julian Savea was dropped from All Black selection last year because he didn't turn up conditioned. Id say if he does that again old Shag and the rest of the coaching staff will be a little pissed and I wouldn't blame them.



  • :ireful: Also someone tell Ardie to stop hanging out with big brother Julian. Hes too smart to be pissing away his talents.



  • Osborne was part of a training camp....

    Osborne is no longer available for All Blacks selection: http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/41765-super-rugby-news-injuries/?p=578996



  • technically he still would be, although many a cynic would come out now if he were to offered a NZ cap now....



  • :ireful: Also someone tell Ardie to stop hanging out with big brother Julian. Hes too smart to be pissing away his talents.

    Obviously not as smart as you think.



  • wait what? wasting his talent? A guy with 41 caps and 38 tries? World Cup winner (as a starting player) Julian Savea?

    Homer calculates the date of the christian rapture. Which turns out correct and he ascends to Heaven While in heaven,he see and tells Dean Martin he squandered his gift. Martin says "Squandered my gift? I made 68 albums



  • Isn't this pathetic. 18 minutes late and all the articles about it. Boyd must be a complete fool to make such a big issue of it. Just have a quiet word and move on. Not treat them like naughty children. No wonder the team was flat against the Sharks. The players must have lost their respect for him and the team management
     
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/79906281/Hurricanes-stand-down-errant-All-Blacks-for-Super-Rugby-match-v-Reds
    The Hurricanes are calling their decision to stand five players down from selection as a "one-out-of-10 offence with a 10-out-of-10 punishment."
    Star players Julian and Ardie Savea, Cory Jane and Victor Vito, along with reserve prop Chris Eves, will watch Saturday's Super Rugby clash with the Reds from the Westpac Stadium stands after breaking a team-imposed curfew last week.
    The five players are understood to have missed a prescribed curfew by 18 minutes, in Durban last Tuesday. Neither Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd nor captain Dane Coles would say what the curfew was, although Boyd noted that the quintet were back at the team hotel before midnight.


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