George Smith



  • Wins the uk players player of the year.  At 35.
     
    That's outstanding. 
     
    I do find it amazing that he was only once nominated for the IRB player of the year, and a shame he retired from international rugby much earlier than he needed to.



  • He's been giving a weekly masterclass in reading the game, timing your involvement and making good decisions under pressure. He's been an absolute steal for Wasps. Great player. You sort of think that if it hadn't have been for McCaw then people would be talking about Smith a lot more as the outstanding 7 of his generation.



  • He's been giving a weekly masterclass in reading the game, timing your involvement and making good decisions under pressure. He's been an absolute steal for Wasps. Great player. You sort of think that if it hadn't have been for McCaw then people would be talking about Smith a lot more as the outstanding 7 of his generation.

    I agree but that is also another feather in Richie's cap in that he saw off such and amazing challenger.



  • He's been giving a weekly masterclass in reading the game, timing your involvement and making good decisions under pressure. He's been an absolute steal for Wasps. Great player. You sort of think that if it hadn't have been for McCaw then people would be talking about Smith a lot more as the outstanding 7 of his generation.

    Pocock had a part to play in that, too. If he wasn't so good then George would have received a few more 'SOS' calls like he did against the Lions, and probably would have slotted straight back in once the 60 cap rule was passed.
     
    His career was probably cut 3-4 years short simply because we didn't really need him.



  • Pocock had a part to play in that, too. If he wasn't so good then George would have received a few more 'SOS' calls like he did against the Lions, and probably would have slotted straight back in once the 60 cap rule was passed.
     
    His career was probably cut 3-4 years short simply because we didn't really need him.

    You're right Barbarian, no disputing but it does look wrong writing or saying that about Smith
     
    Christ he was good for the Wallabies, a mighty player. Every time yellow beat black, that bugger had a huge hand in it.
     
    Certainly open side in the unsung greatest XV



  • I agree but that is also another feather in Richie's cap in that he saw off such and amazing challenger.

    When you think about it , during Richie's career , Australia have had 3 very good 7s , in Smith , Waugh and Pocock



  • When you think about it , during Richie's career , Australia have had 3 very good 7s , in Smith , Waugh and Pocock

    Well, 2 1/2 anyway ... one was a midget.



  • Back to Smith though - an outstanding player.  Just an incredible 7, well rounded and read the game so well.  Had it all I think - better than the Pooper for me.  If he'd hung around, he'd have been neck and neck with McAwe for legends in the international game.
     
    Why did he leave, anyway?  Got the pip with politics?



  • Certainly open side in the unsung greatest XV

    Not sure that he was so unsung. He certainly received his fair share of plaudits. I wouldn't be measuring his popularity or the fact other teams feared his ability on IRB awards or nominations.
    He was a phenomenal player and still doing the business. He was a cheat though 🙂



  • Back to Smith though - an outstanding player. Just an incredible 7, well rounded and read the game so well. Had it all I think - better than the Pooper for me. If he'd hung around, he'd have been neck and neck with McAwe for legends in the international game.
    Why did he leave, anyway? Got the pip with politics?
    Deans wanted to start Pocock



  • Waugh looked like Rocky Dennis from the movie " mask ". Not a bad player though. Any relation to the cricketers?



  • No



  • Smith >Pocock IMO
    Pocock is a good fetcher but Smith was as good and his game reading much better. Pocock is a one trick pony.



  • Its a pretty good trick...



  • Waugh looked like Rocky Dennis from the movie " mask ". Not a bad player though. Any relation to the cricketers?

    Someone on here once said "Waugh has a face like a smashed crab". This has stayed with me for many years and I don't think will ever go away.



  • Not sure that he was so unsung. He certainly received his fair share of plaudits. I wouldn't be measuring his popularity or the fact other teams feared his ability on IRB awards or nominations.
    He was a phenomenal player and still doing the business. He was a cheat No7  though 🙂

    Semantics I know but...



  • If there was one player and one player only that I (being the guru of rugby talent judging that I am) felt even for a brief moment could be in consideration for being momentarily everso slightly as good and maybe not worse than Richie McCaw it was George Smith.
    I think he suffered from the NSW obsession with Phil Waugh who was a much lesser player and the need for the Wobs to pander to the NSW media to include him. They were IMO (refer guru statement above) not as good playing Smith and Waugh together and should have just picked the better player (much the same as Pooper).



  • In their youth, they were probably more equal. But once Waugh starting packing on muscle he lost a lot of his effectiveness.
     
    Never rated him as captain material either.



  • George Smith is the most talented openside flanker Australia has ever produced. Pocock looks like a fucking donkey in comparison to this bloke.
     
    He encapsulated the hard work of Poidevin, the speed over the ball of Pocock and the running game of Hooper.



  • Back to Smith though - an outstanding player.  Just an incredible 7, well rounded and read the game so well.  Had it all I think - better than the Pooper for me.  If he'd hung around, he'd have been neck and neck with McAwe for legends in the international game.
     
    Why did he leave, anyway?  Got the pip with politics?

    I remember Smith coming back from an injury in around 2007 (?) and really looking old and skinny.
     
    I think his body just needed a break and Japan was very good for that.



  • He's not skinny now.



  • He's not skinny now.

    He was unit back in the day.  Ended up in the same bar as the Brumbies squad in 2004 or 2005.  Recognised some of the frontrankers and they were tiny but Smith was seriously big, a little taller than you would expect (i'm 6'2" and he has an inch or two on me) and broad as a shit house.



  • If there was one player and one player only that I (being the guru of rugby talent judging that I am) felt even for a brief moment could be in consideration for being momentarily everso slightly as good and maybe not worse than Richie McCaw it was George Smith.
    I think he suffered from the NSW obsession with Phil Waugh who was a much lesser player and the need for the Wobs to pander to the NSW media to include him. They were IMO (refer guru statement above) not as good playing Smith and Waugh together and should have just picked the better player (much the same as Pooper).

    I tend to agree with all of that. The only games where you could actually entertain a debate about if McCaw was outplayed by his opposite was Smith - and perhaps Brussow in those 2009 match ups, although it was a very different stylistic match up and a unique period.
     
    Smith was certainly a more complete loosie, and to be honest he probably eclipses Greegan/Larkham to be the best Brumbie for me. He is probably underrated by the Aussie media because during a majority of a his tenure he was unflattering compared to Waugh, when the conversation should have been comparing him to McCaw, at least in the early days.
     
    Not sure what it says about the competition where a 35 year old is MVP though.



  • Do you have the right smith - George would just be 6 foot in boots let alone 6'3"or 6'4" - maybe he wears high heals when he goes out



  • Do you have the right smith - George would just be 6 foot in boots let alone 6'3"or 6'4" - maybe he wears high heals when he goes out



  • Do you have the right smith - George would just be 6 foot in boots let alone 6'3"or 6'4" - maybe he wears high heals when he goes out

    McCaw is what? 6 foot 2? He clearly has a few inches on him - you seem on the money.



  • Wins the uk players player of the year.  At 35.
     
    That's outstanding. 
     
    I do find it amazing that he was only once nominated for the IRB player of the year, and a shame he retired from international rugby much earlier than he needed to.

    Richie McCaw, who clearly knows a thing or two about playing Openside Flanker to say the least, said that George Smith was the best Test 7 he played against.
     
    I've never got the hype about Pocock at all. Pocock is the most over-hyped Rugby player of all time in my opinion. George Smith was the only Wallaby 7 who I wish had chosen to play for New Zealand.



  • Does anyone remember seeing this guy play? My old man said he was outstanding the few times he saw him play http://www2.rugby.com.au/wallabies/TheTeam/WallabyHallofFame/GregDavis.aspx



  • Deans wanted to start Pocock

    Deans didn't take Giteau to a world cup either, and helped to drop Cullen for Blair.
     
    I'll hold me a grudge if I have to.



  • He was unit back in the day.  Ended up in the same bar as the Brumbies squad in 2004 or 2005.  Recognised some of the frontrankers and they were tiny but Smith was seriously big, a little taller than you would expect (i'm 6'2" and he has an inch or two on me) and broad as a shit house.

    Everyone looks tall when you're lying flat on your back pissed....either that or you and Canes4life need to go and learn the metric system properly....or in actual fact Eales/Harrison/Sharpe etc were all over 7 foot tall.....
     
    I don't think anyone who gets 111 caps for his country can be anything close to "unsung" though, Richie was a bit better that's all.



  • I'm wondering if he was confusing Smith with Ogre Finnegan (who was still around back then), although you'd think the lack of dreads would have given it away.



  • I'm wondering if he was confusing Smith with Ogre Finnegan (who was still around back then), although you'd think the lack of dreads would have given it away.

    .....and the complexion and the fact they look nothing alike and the moons that would have surrounded Finegans giant Melon......



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    Not sure what it says about the competition where a 35 year old is MVP though.

    And yet, and yet, if Brad Thorn had won the S15/16/whatever MVP at age 39 there would be plenty on here frapping themselves over it.



  • .....and the complexion and the fact they look nothing alike and the moons that would have surrounded Finegans giant Melon......

    Fark, I love Owen Finegan.  Thinking of a quality player like that reminds you just how deadly the Wobbles were back then, and how they don't seem to have produced the forwards since.



  • Fark, I love Owen Finegan.  Thinking of a quality player like that reminds you just how deadly the Wobbles were back then, and how they don't seem to have produced the forwards since.

    Yeah him, Smith and Kefu were some trio weren't they ? I remember thinking Flavell, Randell ( there was the problem, no real 7 ) and Cribb would be more than a match for them.
     
    I was wrong.
     
    The Brumbies were always compulsory viewing back in those days too and Finegan and Smith played a huge part in that.



  • He was unit back in the day.  Ended up in the same bar as the Brumbies squad in 2004 or 2005.  Recognised some of the frontrankers and they were tiny but Smith was seriously big, a little taller than you would expect (i'm 6'2" and he has an inch or two on me) and broad as a shit house.

    i think you had too much to drink. I too had beers with him and a few other Brumbies once in Wellington, i'm also 6'2, and he was considerably shorter than me. Wiki has him at 1.8 which might even be a bit generous.
     
    Phenomenal player. I remember watching he debut for the Brumbies and thinking "shit, they've got a good one here". Great over the ball, great instincts, great running game, and all-round rugby skill (his passing was excellent, and i remember a few very good little grubber kicks for Brumbies tries as well).



  • Since the dawn of time Rugby programs have always made skinny guys more bulky ( Ian Jones, Norm Maxwell ), short guys more tall ( George Smith, Ardie Savea ) and fat guys lighter ( Sione Lauaki, Bill Cavubati ). There's also people who jump on forums to further spread this propaganda. It's not like boxing, they don't have weigh ins before the match.



  • I don't even know if I'd call McCaw a better player than him.  If you take out McCaw's leadership of the All Blacks, I'm not convinced I can honestly say that he was a better out and out 7 than George Smith.



  • I don't even know if I'd call McCaw a better player than him.  If you take out McCaw's leadership of the All Blacks, I'm not convinced I can honestly say that he was a better out and out 7 than George Smith.

    He's probably a better pilot than McCaw too.



  • I recall hearing that Junior Tonu'u was listed as being about 10kg lighter than he actually was.
     
    Is an odd thing, some players who look huge/small on TV and then you stand close to them and they look huger/smaller than you expected.


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