Missing EgyptAir plane - Paris to Cairo



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    Airline EgyptAir is reporting a plane heading to Cairo from Paris has disappeared. Details remain sketchy.
    3:37pm: CNN correspondent Mary Schiavo said the flight was not on a high air traffic flight path at the time. There did not appear to have been severe weather in the area, and the route did not go over conflict areas.
    3:20pm: The plane was at 37,000 ft and disappeared 16km within Egyptian airspace.
    "An informed source at EGYPTAIR stated that Flight no MS804,which departed Paris at 23:09 (CEST), heading to Cairo has disappeared from radar," the airline has tweeted.
     
     
    Search and rescue teams are being assembled.
    EgyptAir's website has crashed since the news broke.
    The flight is carrying 59 passengers and 10 crew members
    The flight time is normally around 3 hours and 45 minutes - the plane departed Paris around six hours ago.



  • Terrorist attack? France is pretty high on the terrorism list at the moment and flights into and out of Egypt have also been targeted. 
     
    If not a terrorist attack, the whole 'plane falling out of midair' thing puts the shits up me. I'm not scared of flying, but I always hate the thought that at any time, any plane I'm on could just drop out of the sky through some unfortunate sequence of events (weather, mechanical failure etc) with no real discrimination.



  • 4:23pm: Ehab Mohy el-Deen, head of Egypt's air navigation authority said Greek air traffic controllers reached out to say they had lost contact with the plane.
    "They did not radio for help or lose altitude. They just vanished."
    4:18pm: Ahmed Abdel, the vice-chairman of EgyptAir has told CNN there was no distress call from the plane.
    "Search and rescue has been dispatched and are now at the scene... Daylight has just broken around an hour ago, so we should get some information within the next hour."
    4:16pm: Rescue efforts in Egypt are being coordinated with the Greek authorities.

    4:12pm: CNN is reporting weather conditions were fine when the plane went missing.
    4:07pm: Although the flight was in Egyptian airspace and ten minutes from landing, it may not have been overland - Egyptian airspace extends far into the Mediterranean sea.
    4:04pm: The flight was in the air for 3 hours and 40 minutes before it disappeared from radar. The flight time to Cairo is normally 4 hours and 30 minutes - the flight left Paris roughly six hours ago.
    3:53pm: Egypt's civil aviation ministry has confirmed they have search and rescue teams looking for the plane.



  • Surface to air missile?  Isn't that what the US were searching to try and locate and stop from getting into the wild after Libya collapsed?



  • maybe I watch too many movies, but wouldn't they (Egypt Air) have a radar alert for something like that and then the Pilot should have a chance to notify Air Traffic Control?



  • maybe I watch too many movies, but wouldn't they (Egypt Air) have a radar alert for something like that and then the Pilot should have a chance to notify Air Traffic Control?

    I don't think a commercial plane could detect a launch.  Normally it comes out after when government radar data comes out showing a launch track?  Isn't that wht happened over Ukraine, data from government radar?



  • 4:23pm: Ehab Mohy el-Deen, head of Egypt's air navigation authority said Greek air traffic controllers reached out to say they had lost contact with the plane.
    "They did not radio for help or lose altitude. They just vanished."
    4:18pm: Ahmed Abdel, the vice-chairman of EgyptAir has told CNN there was no distress call from the plane.

    That is NEVER good. But surely if the plane exploded someone would have seen/heard it?



  • http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/may/19/egyptair-plane-cairo-paris-live-updates
     
    EgyptAir says that the plane’s emergency devices (possibly an emergency locator transmitter or beacon) sent a distress signal that was received at 4.26am, some two hours after the previously stated last radar contact.



  • Just once I would like one of these stories to end with a headline
    "Lost plane found! Everything fine! Pilot just accidentally bumped a switch"



  • http://avherald.com/h?article=4987fb09&opt=0
    A couple of maps on that link.



  • Just once I would like one of these stories to end with a headline
    "Lost plane found! Everything fine! Pilot just accidentally bumped a switch"

    A very small version of that: http://avherald.com/h?article=497af81c&opt=0 (EDIT - right link this time!)
    'I thought you were checking the radio?' 🙂



  • Terrorist attack? France is pretty high on the terrorism list at the moment and flights into and out of Egypt have also been targeted. 
     
    If not a terrorist attack, the whole 'plane falling out of midair' thing puts the shits up me. I'm not scared of flying, but I always hate the thought that at any time, any plane I'm on could just drop out of the sky through some unfortunate sequence of events (weather, mechanical failure etc) with no real discrimination.

    and I thought cops were tough :fishing:  :whistle:
     
    I heard an aviation expert on the radio say that from how it moved in the radar it has definitely exploded somewhere.



  • surely if it was  terrorist act, it'd be claimed already?
     
    So more likely a lone wolf fighting for the cause?



  • Sucks how we're already getting the 'wreckage found' 'oh crap, no we haven't' announcements. And differences from the airline and the authorities. Just puts the families through more hell.
     
    Surely the Malaysian Airlines debacle was enough for eternity.



  • yeah we were discussing that this morning - lessons learnt from the MH370 debacle - none!



  • Yep, that would seriously fuck with the families. I know they are making an effort to keep everyone as up to date as possible but accuracy of information has to be paramount.



  • The worst thing for the families is that they would be hearing everything through the media and have to go through all that speculation.



  • Sucks how we're already getting the 'wreckage found' 'oh crap, no we haven't' announcements. And differences from the airline and the authorities. Just puts the families through more hell.
     
    Surely the Malaysian Airlines debacle was enough for eternity.

    The media's thirst for any information, correct or not must make things really difficult.  But you would like to think the airline and the authorities could get on the page.  There is nowhere to hide so they might as well lay what they know out there



  • And even if the plane has 'exploded', there are a number of potential causes of that. Media experts, officials, etc jumping to the terrorism conclusion are really making giant guesses until the wreckage itself is found and examined.



  • The fact they haven't found it as yet I guess means its at the bottom of the ocean.
     
    I still find the fact they can't find planes almost immediately very surprising.  I have technology on my mobile phone that if somebody nicks it, I can pinpoint it to within a metre. Why isn't the same available with aviation?


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