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  • @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @canefan Yes, but weren't these the same clowns getting stuck into National for special treatment for Jackson?

    posts like this always surprise me, especially from smart blokes. Do you expect anything different? Have you seen anything, from either party (or for that matter any two parties in any western democracy) that would suggest any sort of consistency? Or any self awareness?

    Politicians of all stripes will say and do what ever is politically advantageous at the time. To expect anything else is folly.

    I don't expect anything different, no. It's still worth pointing out self serving hypocrisy from people that present themselves as honest and transparent.



  • @Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @canefan Yes, but weren't these the same clowns getting stuck into National for special treatment for Jackson?

    posts like this always surprise me, especially from smart blokes. Do you expect anything different? Have you seen anything, from either party (or for that matter any two parties in any western democracy) that would suggest any sort of consistency? Or any self awareness?

    Politicians of all stripes will say and do what ever is politically advantageous at the time. To expect anything else is folly.

    I don't expect anything different, no. It's still worth pointing out self serving hypocrisy from people that present themselves as honest and transparent.

    i guess i am well past thinking anyone in politics is that.



  • I guess there is a bit of a difference in being in opposition and being oppositional for the sake of it



  • @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    I guess there is a bit of a difference in being in opposition and being oppositional for the sake of it

    there is?



  • @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @canefan Yes, but weren't these the same clowns getting stuck into National for special treatment for Jackson?

    posts like this always surprise me, especially from smart blokes. Do you expect anything different? Have you seen anything, from either party (or for that matter any two parties in any western democracy) that would suggest any sort of consistency? Or any self awareness?

    Politicians of all stripes will say and do what ever is politically advantageous at the time. To expect anything else is folly.

    I don't expect anything different, no. It's still worth pointing out self serving hypocrisy from people that present themselves as honest and transparent.

    i guess i am well past thinking anyone in politics is that.

    Cindy did campaign on it. She said they would be the most honest and transparent government. Another failed promise. But it was what people wanted to hear



  • @mariner4life I expect being oppositional for the sake of it is just being a fluffybunny, whereas you can be in opposition and see the merit in the Govt. approach and support them, given the end goal should be the same...

    Muller thinks there is a difference:

    "I'm not interested in opposition for opposition's sake. We're all tired of that kind of politics.



  • @Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @MN5 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

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    A friend of mine who is mixed race shared this on FB. Quite amusing watching her point out this fact to her friends and shooting them down.

    Dumb argument that misses the point of the saying entirely.

    BLM means 'Black lives matter AS ALL LIVES do' not ONLY.

    It isn't a race card, it is a slogan to draw attention to a problem.

    It's entirely a race card. The only determining factor is race. 30% of the message denotes race. The race card would have black lives matter emblazoned on it. It purposely alienates other races.

    Inclusivity:
    Poor lives matter
    Elderly lives matter
    Unemployed lives matter
    Fatherless lives matter
    Victims of crime lives matter
    Drug addicts lives matter

    Bollocks. How does it alienate others unless they are deliberately misinterpreting the message.
    It is focussed on 'black' because that is the singular message they are trying to point out. It isnt an all encompassing campaign any more than 'save the whales' isnt inclusive of elephants.

    As for 'race card', I think you need to look at the meaning of that idiom.



  • @taniwharugby Labour certainly acted like pricks over Pike River



  • @canefan as did Whiney



  • @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @canefan as did Whiney

    Yeah. Still waiting for him to step into the mine like he promised



  • @Crucial you've convinced me.
    Gotta go though, I have to donate half my white wages to tiger woods, kanye, oprah and Michelle Obama.
    Black lives matter don't you know🙂



  • @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @mariner4life I expect being oppositional for the sake of it is just being a fluffybunny, whereas you can be in opposition and see the merit in the Govt. approach and support them, given the end goal should be the same...

    Muller thinks there is a difference:

    "I'm not interested in opposition for opposition's sake. We're all tired of that kind of politics.

    To be fair I'm sure none of us would be surprised if that went the way of "honest and transparent".



  • @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @mariner4life I expect being oppositional for the sake of it is just being a fluffybunny, whereas you can be in opposition and see the merit in the Govt. approach and support them, given the end goal should be the same...

    Muller thinks there is a difference:

    "I'm not interested in opposition for opposition's sake. We're all tired of that kind of politics.

    just because he said it, doesn't mean he'l live it

    see the "open and transparent"



  • @mariner4life all I was saying is there is a difference, whether politicians live it is obviously different, I only used his comment to say others say there is a difference as you had asked if there was, not any other reason.



  • @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @mariner4life all I was saying is there is a difference, whether politicians live it is obviously different, I only used his comment to say others say there is a difference as you had asked if there was, not any other reason.

    I thought that comment was probably directed more at Soimon than at the govt?

    Eek, I've been tricked on to a political thread.



  • @Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    I don’t understand why protests like that, with no social distancing, were allowed to continue. I’d be pissed if my business was shut down because crowds weren’t allowed but this was allowed.

    I wonder how many kiwis got fined in the last 6 weeks for breaking social distancing laws and then had to watch the protests?
    New Zealand tanked it's economy for that virus and 6 weeks later the hypocrisy for virtue signalling overrides all the urgency that necessitated multiple years of future recession.
    I can only guess the no warrants searches will be used to retrospectively prosecute those violating our social distancing laws.
    As mentioned, we've put an ineffectual protest ahead of public health and the economy.
    Incredible priorities!



  • @Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    I don’t understand why protests like that, with no social distancing, were allowed to continue. I’d be pissed if my business was shut down because crowds weren’t allowed but this was allowed.

    I wonder how many kiwis got fined in the last 6 weeks for breaking social distancing laws and then had to watch the protests?
    New Zealand tanked it's economy for that virus and 6 weeks later the hypocrisy for virtue signalling overrides all the urgency that necessitated multiple years of future recession.
    I can only guess the no warrants searches will be used to retrospectively prosecute those violating our social distancing laws.
    As mentioned, we've put an ineffectual protest ahead of public health and the economy.
    Incredible priorities!

    Come on now, be positive. I'm sure the US will see the protest on the news and immediately change their ways.



  • @barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    Bit of a rock and a hard place situation though. How do you go about breaking up a protest like that, considering there would be a (not insignificant) minority who might be spoiling for a fight with a copper?

    So on the one hand you risk an outbreak, but on the other you risk a potentially violent, messy clash between police and protesters, which could trigger further protests and backlash in other places.

    True but those messy backlashes won't last as long or cause as much suffering as the economic ramifications of seeing a plan through to it's conclusion.
    Something about making your bed and lying in it...



  • @Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    Bit of a rock and a hard place situation though. How do you go about breaking up a protest like that, considering there would be a (not insignificant) minority who might be spoiling for a fight with a copper?

    So on the one hand you risk an outbreak, but on the other you risk a potentially violent, messy clash between police and protesters, which could trigger further protests and backlash in other places.

    True but those messy backlashes won't last as long or cause as much suffering as the economic ramifications of seeing a plan through to it's conclusion.
    Something about making your bed and lying in it...

    His point is it would cause both.

    Triggering more protests causing more chance of spread.



  • @Rapido yes it was a good point.

    As of yesterday though, the prime minister's tepid response to breaking COVID protocol demonstrates that it's become less vital to New Zealanders so perhaps we should shift focus to the impending economic and employment pandemic, after we clean up America of course.

    Patently the spread is less important than it was 2 days ago.



  • Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.

    What will they do, say no again?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/121703621/mushroom-and-film-workers-allowed-in-while-expecting-dad-barred



  • @taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:

    Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.

    What will they do, say no again?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/121703621/mushroom-and-film-workers-allowed-in-while-expecting-dad-barred

    Bureaucrats following the rules as writ.

    It is worth reading through to the end of the article though as this kind of puts a different perspective on what is implied in the headline by 'expecting dad'

    “She's in the second half of pregnancy and I haven't even seen her since becoming pregnant. Me being there to support her will allow her to stay employed and continue being a contributing member to New Zealand’s recovery.”

    So she is 6 and a half months gone and still working. He doesn't 'need' to be here, just wants to be.

    The reverse situation to Oz is just the same.

    The whole things smacks of wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Is an Oz citizen that left his wife in NZ to work in the US, came back to father a child then left again and got caught out by border closures.

    That's the risk you chose to take mate.



  • @Crucial said in NZ Politics:

    @taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:

    Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.

    What will they do, say no again?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/121703621/mushroom-and-film-workers-allowed-in-while-expecting-dad-barred

    Bureaucrats following the rules as writ.

    It is worth reading through to the end of the article though as this kind of puts a different perspective on what is implied in the headline by 'expecting dad'

    “She's in the second half of pregnancy and I haven't even seen her since becoming pregnant. Me being there to support her will allow her to stay employed and continue being a contributing member to New Zealand’s recovery.”

    So she is 6 and a half months gone and still working. He doesn't 'need' to be here, just wants to be.

    The reverse situation to Oz is just the same.

    The whole things smacks of wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Is an Oz citizen that left his wife in NZ to work in the US, came back to father a child then left again and got caught out by border closures.

    That's the risk you chose to take mate.

    Yeah, what an arsehole travelling for work!

    No reason he can't come in and go for a two week quarantine, as has been demonstrated by the many exceptions they have already made. As usual, no empathy from the authoritarian types.



  • @Kirwan said in NZ Politics:

    @Crucial said in NZ Politics:

    @taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:

    Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.

    What will they do, say no again?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/121703621/mushroom-and-film-workers-allowed-in-while-expecting-dad-barred

    Bureaucrats following the rules as writ.

    It is worth reading through to the end of the article though as this kind of puts a different perspective on what is implied in the headline by 'expecting dad'

    “She's in the second half of pregnancy and I haven't even seen her since becoming pregnant. Me being there to support her will allow her to stay employed and continue being a contributing member to New Zealand’s recovery.”

    So she is 6 and a half months gone and still working. He doesn't 'need' to be here, just wants to be.

    The reverse situation to Oz is just the same.

    The whole things smacks of wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Is an Oz citizen that left his wife in NZ to work in the US, came back to father a child then left again and got caught out by border closures.

    That's the risk you chose to take mate.

    Yeah, what an arsehole travelling for work!

    No reason he can't come in and go for a two week quarantine, as has been demonstrated by the many exceptions they have already made. As usual, no empathy from the authoritarian types.

    Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal? If so they have hundreds, if not thousands, trying to use partners to enter the country when they never sorted out their own status before this hit to protect the risk of separation.
    People have strange expectations around countries that they aren't citizens of.

    He isn't an arsehole for travelling for work but NZ is not his place of residence, he is not a citizen. He works overseas and is an Australian citizen. What rights does that give him? Just the ones he assumes? When travelling or working overseas there is a risk involved. It has turned int an issue for him.



  • @Crucial said in NZ Politics:

    Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal?

    Do you think he could reasonably expect to be with his wife for the birth of their child? Because at 7 months, you're getting into the drop zone.

    Personally, I'd be opening the borders providing people are prepared to quarantine and pay. Much fairer than trying to decide who does and who doesn't get to come in by fiat



  • @nzzp said in NZ Politics:

    @Crucial said in NZ Politics:

    Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal?

    Do you think he could reasonably expect to be with his wife for the birth of their child? Because at 7 months, you're getting into the drop zone.

    Personally, I'd be opening the borders providing people are prepared to quarantine and pay. Much fairer than trying to decide who does and who doesn't get to come in by fiat

    I'm not keen for open borders yet until we see more control in other countries.



  • @Hooroo said in NZ Politics:

    @nzzp said in NZ Politics:

    @Crucial said in NZ Politics:

    Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal?

    Do you think he could reasonably expect to be with his wife for the birth of their child? Because at 7 months, you're getting into the drop zone.

    Personally, I'd be opening the borders providing people are prepared to quarantine and pay. Much fairer than trying to decide who does and who doesn't get to come in by fiat

    I'm not keen for open borders yet until we see more control in other countries.

    Absolutely. I am in no hurry to re-enter lockdown because we let some germ bag into the country to kick off another wave



  • @Hooroo @canefan you guys realise that 'quarantine' bit is what we're doing at the moment though right?

    If we quarantine people, don't we keep C19 out?



  • @nzzp said in NZ Politics:

    @Hooroo @canefan you guys realise that 'quarantine' bit is what we're doing at the moment though right?

    If we quarantine people, don't we keep C19 out?

    I don't think you can fully open borders at the moment and manage it in quarantine



  • @nzzp said in NZ Politics:

    @Hooroo @canefan you guys realise that 'quarantine' bit is what we're doing at the moment though right?

    If we quarantine people, don't we keep C19 out?

    Hopefully. Open borders means no quarantine, so yeah nah



  • surely if people want to come here, have to self-quarantine in an approved facility (at own expense?) why not?

    The article about the Avatar staff said they were footing the bill for quarantine, but Taxpayers were paying for the security side of things??

    I dont want this back in NZ, but surely in cases such as the above, circumstances dictate a bit of common sense?



  • @taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:

    surely if people want to come here, have to self-quarantine in an approved facility (at own expense?) why not?

    The article about the Avatar staff said they were footing the bill for quarantine, but Taxpayers were paying for the security side of things??

    I dont want this back in NZ, but surely in cases such as the above, circumstances dictate a bit of common sense?

    I'm okay with people coming in and quarantining for 14 days. That means that only returning citizens and people coming for a specific purpose like the movie crew. Tourists aren't going to accept 14 days quarantine so they won't be coming yet and anyone suspected of trying to sneak in should be sent back



  • @canefan this is total hearsay (sauce bottle could be iffy) but I overhead a PT talking to his client at the gym today. The client reckoned that some of the film crew were cruising around Wellington city. No idea if that is legit - but I'd bloody hope not. Irrespective of whatever quarantine the crew may have done elsewhere that 14 days at the NZ end is non-negotiable. Wellies is a small city so no doubt we'll hear more if there is any truth to this.



  • @Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:

    @canefan this is total hearsay (sauce bottle could be iffy) but I overhead a PT talking to his client at the gym today. The client reckoned that some of the film crew were cruising around Wellington city. No idea if that is legit - but I'd bloody hope not. Irrespective of whatever quarantine the crew may have done elsewhere that 14 days at the NZ end is non-negotiable. Wellies is a small city so no doubt we'll hear more if there is any truth to this.

    That's what I'm afraid of



  • @canefan me also. And if that is actually true then they should be fucking slammed. I know there are still a lot of folks coming back but managing that well is mission critical.





  • @Toddy said in NZ Politics:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2020/06/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-on-whether-she-s-offended-by-aunty-cindy-nickname.html

    Seems Prime Minister Cindy doesn't mind the nick name at all.

    Well how about she stops being a right wing misogynist?



  • @Toddy said in NZ Politics:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2020/06/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-on-whether-she-s-offended-by-aunty-cindy-nickname.html

    Seems Prime Minister Cindy doesn't mind the nick name at all.

    So @Stargazer are we all cool calling her Cindy and you not getting all twisted by it?



  • Not sure where else to put this. While I think markets are a great way to distribute resources, having 20 health boards for 5million people always seemed a bit nuts. And elections for them always felt like a sham - like who are you electing, and why?

    So, generally on board with most of this.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300035515/halve-number-of-dhbs-drop-elected-boards-sweeping-health-system-reform-plan-accepted-by-govt



  • https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/419095/labour-party-tight-lipped-on-ayesha-verrall-s-future

    Infectious diseases specialist Dr Ayesha Verrall is ranked 18th - well above many of the party's sitting MPs - meaning she is almost certain to make into Parliament after September's election.

    Verrall was vocal in her criticism of the government's contact tracing programme before being brought in by the Ministry of Health to review its work. Later, she said the contact tracing system had improved.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said there was no conflict of interest.


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