Hurricanes vs Highlanders



  • Canes Team is:

    1. Reggie Goodes
    2. Dane Coles
    3. Jeff Toomaga Allen
    4. Blade Thomson
    5. Michael Fatialofa
    6. Brad Shields
    7. Ardie Savea
    8. Victor Vito
    9. TJ Perenara
    10. Beauden Barrett
    11. Julian Savea
    12. Vince Tavae Aso
    13. Matt Proctor
    14. Cory Jane
    15. James Marshall
       
      Reserves:
    16. Motu Matu'u
    17. Chris Eves
    18. Loni Uhila
    19. Vaea Fifita
    20. Callum Gibbins
    21. Jamison Gibson Park
    22. Ngani Laumape
    23. Jason Woodward


  • How does Shields keep getting starts? For a guy who was talked up as a potential AB he has been seriously underwhelming for a long time now. Laumape has been a bit unlucky with gsmetime after a strong start to the season.



  • I 100% agree Pukunui. I would have Abbott starting instead of Shields. I would start Thomson at 6 and have Abbott at 4 with Fifita off the bench.
     
    I swear 90% of the time Abbott has started for us over the last two years we have won. I just don't get why Boyd keeps dropping the guy when he always performs so well for us.
     
    I also don't see why the coaches are so fixated with starting Marshall at 15. Surely Woodward has proved he is a much bigger threat than Marshall and if we are going to compete with the Highlanders we need a bit of firepower out-wide, especially considering Skudder is not there. 
     
    I'm sure the Highlanders will be shaking in there boots at the site of Marshall and Jane running at them.  :truce:



  • I'd be more concerned about the centres if I was a Canes fan. I'm not convinced they have found a pair that are any more than adequate. That's fine except they are coming up against a form combo being fed by the best pass in the game.



  • I'm happy with Proctor at centre. I think hes been bloody strong. 2nd Five remains the concern for me. Both Laumape and Aso have shown glimpses of their potential but their consistency remains the worry.
     
    It will be interesting to see if Faddes can back up his strong performance against the Crusaders. He is a player on the rise and i'm looking forward to that battle with him and Proctor. 
     
    If the Canes are going to win on Saturday night Perenara has to outplay Smith. If Smith can get his bullets away on a consistent basis then the Canes will be in for a bloody long night.



  • Heard BB on the radio trying to hype the game ( as he is no doubt contractually obliged to ) by going on about the "rematch" and "revenge" for last year.
     
    It's not the fucken final y'know Beauds......



  • The only area I can see the Hurricanes dominating is the front row. But even then we have held our own against stronger opposition than that. As always the Barrett factor is a bit of a concern. You never know when he will rip a team up. What's the forecast like? If it's a bit shit, then I can see it evening out a bit.



  • I hope they don't play like they did in last years final, especially Beauden. He had a shocker with the boot, mind you he's had shockers all year. Just hope he can turn those stats around.
     
    Weather forecast is for Showers so hopefully they miss the Tin.



  • I hope they don't play like they did in last years final, especially Beauden. He had a shocker with the boot, mind you he's had shockers all year. Just hope he can turn those stats around.
     
    Weather forecast is for Showers so hopefully they miss the Tin.

    Only if someone's built a roof since I was last there



  • If the Canes are going to win on Saturday night Perenara has to outplay Smith. If Smith can get his bullets away on a consistent basis then the Canes will be in for a bloody long night.

    If that happens Smith will have had a very poor night. TJs passing has been horrible.



  • Heard BB on the radio trying to hype the game ( as he is no doubt contractually obliged to ) by going on about the "rematch" and "revenge" for last year.
     
    It's not the fucken final y'know Beauds......

    I really hope that's the attitude of the Canes, firing up for a game that was played nearly a year ago and how no real relevance on the fixture ahead.
     
    I heard the Highlanders get asked something similar, and they came back with a response of heck no, different competition, different players and they just want to go up get the points and come home.



  • That's the problem with the Canes. They always worry about the past. The past has nothing to do with the now. Totally different players and a different year. 
     
    Focus Canes, Focus!!!



  • What the fuck is wrong with using their loss from last year for motivation?



  • What the fuck is wrong with using their loss from last year for motivation?

    my thoughts exactly 🙂
     
    Any motivation to play well is surely a good thing



  • What the fuck is wrong with using their loss from last year for motivation?

    Totally agree, Tim!



  • What the fuck is wrong with using their loss from last year for motivation?

    It's an empty trick. Best outcome is you win and then so what? You don't get the trophy. You don't get to kid anyone you're the deserving winner.
     
    How much easier to say "if we don't get the points from this game, it's much harder for us to secure a finals berth. We were outplayed last year and that's the motivation to do one better this year."



  • It's an empty trick. Best outcome is you win and then so what? You don't get the trophy. You don't get to kid anyone you're the deserving winner.
     
    How much easier to say "if we don't get the points from this game, it's much harder for us to secure a finals berth. We were outplayed last year and that's the motivation to do one better this year."

    Wow you would suck as a team motivator! As in Hurrell is good for the Warriors - suck!



  • Wow you would suck as a team motivator! As in Hurrell is good for the Warriors - suck!

    Perhaps not the phrase to use with Hurrell.... 😛





  • Whatever motivation is needed they need to find it fast. The form team in the comp is about to role into town and they will be relentless if the Canes do not get things right.
     
    Whether its revenge for last years final, wanting to make this years playoffs or simply wanting to take their game to the next level, the Canes have to find that special element that makes them tick.
     
    I want to see Fatialofa smash players like he did against the Chiefs, i want to see Barrett run at the line more often than not, I want our scrum to push those southerners backwards and I want to see those Savea bros play like men possessed. 
     
    If the Hurricanes can reach their peak then maybe, maybe we can send the Highlanders back down South with their tails between their legs, however something in my head suggests it won't be that easy.
     
    Bring on the Landers army!!!



  • Highlanders to win this on superior tactics and the Canes messy midfield defence.
     
    I can see the Highlanders employing the game they did against the Tahs last year for this one. Keep turning Fatialofa, Coles and Ardie around and putting decision pressure on the midfield.



  • Highlanders to win this on superior tactics and the Canes messy midfield defence.
     
    I can see the Highlanders employing the game they did against the Tahs last year for this one. Keep turning Fatialofa, Coles and Ardie around and putting decision pressure on the midfield.

    The Canes have implemented a rush defense in recent weeks, whether that works against Fekitoa and Faddes remains to be seen but whatever the case they will need to make their tackles. No excuses especially considering they just had the bye.
     
    If the Canes are going to get up in this one they will have to win it through the middle. They will have to emulate something similar to the Crusaders tactics in the first 10 minutes against them a few weeks ago and suck their outsides in, earning the right to go wide. 
     
    I believe the Canes chose to attack too early against the Highlanders in round 2 and instead of being more patient and waiting for the right time to strike they were trying to score off every opportunity.
     
    The game plan leading up to Julian Savea's botched try in last years final was the exact tactics the Canes need to employ. They were able to get in behind the Highlanders defense, something that they are more than capable of doing with players like Vito, Ardie, Thomson and Toomaga Allen in their ranks.



  • thehighlanders.co.nz
    Hurricanes v Pulse Energy Highlanders - Westpac Stadium, Dunedin, Friday 27th May 7.35pm
    Returning from their bye round Pulse Energy Highlanders Head Coach Jamie Joseph has made only two changes to his starting line-up that beat the Crusaders in round 12. Tom Franklin will start at lock for Joe Wheeler who drops out of the 23 for this week and Daniel Lienert-Brown, who was a late withdrawal for the Crusaders match, will start at loosehead.
    Luke Whitelock had a standout game against the Crusaders and again keeps the in-form Liam Squire on the bench, while Mark Reddish is included in the match day team for the first time since round 7. The game will be massive for both sides as they are separated by a single point on the table, both clubs will be desperate to head into the June break with a win.
    NZ rugby has designated round 13 as the “diversity round” . NZ Super Rugby teams will wear a range of brightly coloured laces to highlight diversity in rugby. It is a symbolic gesture to illustrate rugby is a game for everyone, no matter what size, shape, nationality, religion or gender. Joseph commented “our team is particularly diverse, I think we have at least six different nationalities in our squad, all with different backgrounds and cultures but it’s our love of the game that binds us together. That’s the beauty of rugby, it doesn’t discriminate, it’s come one, come all”

    1. Daniel Lienert-Brown
    2. Ash Dixon
    3. Josh Hohneck
    4. Alex Ainley
    5. Tom Franklin
    6. Elliot Dixon
    7. Dan Pryor
    8. Luke Whitelock
    9. Aaron Smith
    10. Lima Sopoaga
    11. Patrick Osborne
    12. Malakai Fekitoa
    13. Matt Faddes
    14. Waisake Naholo
    15. Ben Smith (c)
      Reserves
    16. Greg Pleasants-Tate
    17. Aki Seiuli
    18. Siosiua Halanukonuka
    19. Mark Reddish
    20. Liam Squire
    21. Fumiaki Tanaka
    22. Marty Banks
    23. Teihorangi Walden
      Unavailable due to injury: Liam Coltman (foot), Josh Renton (knee) Shane Christie (hamstring)
      Head Coach: Jamie Joseph Assistant Coaches: Tony Brown, Scott McLeod Manager: Paul McLaughlan



  • I'm happy with Proctor at centre. I think hes been bloody strong. 2nd Five remains the concern for me. Both Laumape and Aso have shown glimpses of their potential but their consistency remains the worry.
     
    It will be interesting to see if Faddes can back up his strong performance against the Crusaders. He is a player on the rise and i'm looking forward to that battle with him and Proctor. 
     
    If the Canes are going to win on Saturday night Perenara has to outplay Smith. If Smith can get his bullets away on a consistent basis then the Canes will be in for a bloody long night.

    So you're putting your money on the Landers then?
     
    With the June tests in just a couple of weeks, I'm going to be cringing at every collision the A and B Smith's take.



  • The Canes are favourites at the TAB but on form you would have to be a brave man to bet against the Highlanders with the way they destroyed the Crusaders. I am a brave man though and I will still back my Canes to get the job done!! 😃



  • The Chiefs were the favourites to beat the Highlanders, as were the Crusaders. Both teams by a significantly bigger amount than the slender margin the Canes have in terms of favourtism. The Highlanders will be going in with plenty of confidence. I suspect they will target Barrett's kicking game, TJ at the base of the ruck, the midfield defence and of course bombs away to Marshall at fullback. On attack, I also suspect it will be a big night for Fekitoa running hard lines at Barrett, and wouldn't be surprised if there's a number of inside balls for the wingers, against running at Barrett.



  • Barrett has improved his defense. He is not a soft target anymore.



  • The Chiefs were the favourites to beat the Highlanders, as were the Crusaders. Both teams by a significantly bigger amount than the slender margin the Canes have in terms of favourtism.

    Not sure that is accurate relating to the Crusaders game. Weren't the Highlanders paying shorter odds in the Crusaders game at kickoff time?



  • Barrett is a solid defender. He wouldn't be the player id be targeting. Id have my set plays targeting Aso if I was apart of the Highlanders coaching staff.



  • I don't think it's about finding holes through Barrett, more making him tired and less effective on attack. A tired play maker isn't going to terrorize you on attack. 
    As for the odds for the Highlanders Crusaders, pretty sure the Highlanders started off at $2.25 and only shortened to about $2.1



  • I don't think it's about finding holes through Barrett, more making him tired and less effective on attack. A tired play maker isn't going to terrorize you on attack.
    As for the odds for the Highlanders Crusaders, pretty sure the Highlanders started off at $2.25 and only shortened to about $2.1

    Nah highlanders were favourites at kickoff. I remember because I bet on the saders at $1.95
    Just looked back through my texts to a mate and highlanders were $1.80.



  • Start of the week it was crusaders $1.80 and highlanders $1.95



  • The Highlanders did start off at $2.20. Absolutely positive on it, I found a tweet I made about it telling people to jump onto it (sadly I didn't, as I liked gambling a bit too much, so don't do it anymore).
    But that's the last I'll say on two week old odds.



  • You may be right, but from the texts I've sent I know my odds are accurate, had quite a detailed discussion over text with my mate (professional gambler) about it.
    He was surprised as it never happens that way to the crusaders.



  • Lads, any news on why Wheeler is out of the 23? He will be missed from a Landers point of view.
     
    Does his replacement franklin do well in the set piece?
     
    Reddish apparently returning to the bench could be a useful half time replacement.



  • Can't see the Canes getting within 14 let alone winning this even with them playing at home.
    Hilghlanders would need a big slump in form to drop this one but with NZ derbys anything could happen. Looking at the table a draw would be the ideal result



  • If the Canes are going to get up in this one they will have to win it through the middle. They will have to emulate something similar to the Crusaders tactics in the first 10 minutes against them a few weeks ago and suck their outsides in, earning the right to go wide.

    I give this quote 5 TSF stars....
     
    Me and my mate have been brainstorming all week actual tactics that can compete with Joseph's game plan which right now seems unstoppable.
     
    Finally we landed on what you have written. Win it by going up the guts.
     
    None of this spin it wide and beat them down the flanks with fancy foot work. 
     
    Just honest hard toil, hard yards, hard nosed metres, the whole pack just running it up over and past the advantage line. Rinse and repeat.
     
    If the Canes want to win this will be won up front and through simple power running.
     
    That might not be exactly what you are saying as you want them to take a leaf out of the Saders book which was to switch back to the inside runner - but I agree with the general principle of not going wide too quickly.



  • Lads, any news on why Wheeler is out of the 23? He will be missed from a Landers point of view.
     
    Does his replacement franklin do well in the set piece?
     
    Reddish apparently returning to the bench could be a useful half time replacement.

    Franklin is the Highlanders premier lock. Big engine, great in the lineout and keeps going all day.
    Joey has been out and out dropped, his discipline has been a bit rubbish recently and deserves a kick up the arse.



  • Can't see the Canes getting within 14 let alone winning this even with them playing at home.
    Hilghlanders would need a big slump in form to drop this one but with NZ derbys anything could happen. Looking at the table a draw would be the ideal result

    So your saying the Highlanders are going to win by 14 or more. That's a bit insane wouldn't you think. Canes at home at nearly full strength bar Broadhurst and Skudder are not going to go down without a fight. They have a fair chance of winning this game. You only have to go back to Napier last year where the Canes put 56 points on the Highlanders pretty comfortably. If they get it right it could be 14 or more the other way.



  • If saying the Highlanders are 14 points better is absurd, then bring up the Napier game is ridiculous. That game was a complete anomaly. Let's look at the two teams this Hurricanes team is with out Ben Franks, James Broadhurst, Ma's Nonu, Conrad Smith and Nehe Milner Skudder. This team is a shadow of the side that took the paddock in Napier that night. Plus they were riding on the emotion of Jerry Collins' death. While the Highlanders rested Ben Smith, Aaron Smith and Mala Fekitoa. They had already decided they would lose before running out on the paddock.


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