Chiefs vs Wales, June 14



  • Chiefs have had a run of injuries and now they will be without their frontline ABs.
    Retallick, Cane, TKB and Cruden will definitely be out IMO.
    But will Harris, DMac, Tamanivalu be released?
    What will the status of Ngatai be?
    Chiefs will be calling on their WTG to fill in and step it up.
    Any predictions of a lineup?



  • Assuming no-one's released, I'd guess:
     
    Graham
    Elliot
    Yamashita
    Bird
    Allardice
    Seu
    Boshier
    Sanders
    Weber
    Donald
    Lowe
    Horrell
    ALB
    Pulu
    ???
     
    Marshall
    Hames
    Fisi'ihoi
    Tucker
    Vaipulu
    Hammington
    ???
    Vaka
     
    Most of the positions won't be too hard to figure out a replacement for (Elliot for Harris, Allardice for BBBR, etc) but cover does run pretty thin within the outside backs, what with Stevenson off with the U20s and McNicol and Fisiiahi injured. You'd hope at least McKenzie will be made available, as he probably won't get much game time in the tests, but if not then I guess Lowe at fullback, Vaeno on the left wing and then maybe Chase Tiatia called up from the development squad?



  • Not sure what the injury status is currently of a lot of players. But with a two week break we should see a few players come back into contention.
    You would hope that Harris, DMac and one of Seta or Charlie got released. Good opportunity to regain some pride against touring teams after the Crusaders got thumped by England a couple of years back.
     
      Mitchell Graham
      Nathan Harris / Hika Elliot (c) 
      Hiroshi Yamashita
      Dominic Bird 
      Taleni Seu 
      Johan Bardoul
      Tevita Koloamatangi / Maama Vaipulu
      Tom Sanders
      Brad Weber 
      Stephen Donald
      James Lowe 
      Anton Lienert-Brown 
      Seta Tamanivalu / Charlie Ngatai (c)
      Toni Pulu 
      Damian McKenzie / Glen Fisiiahi
     
      Hika Elliot / ?
      Kane Hames 
      Siegfried Fisi’ihoi / Atu Moli
      Michael Allardice / James Tucker
      Sam Henwood / Lachlan Boshier
      Kayne Hammington / TKB
      Andrew Horrell 
      Sam Vaka / Chase Tiatita / Glen Fisiiahi



  • I'm going to this game - really looking forward to it. (just hope we can field a decent line up and don't get thumped...)



  • Unco's team will be close to the mark although I think Vaipulu will start at 7.  Kolomatangi has a long-term injury and hasn't been sighted all year.  The likes of Moli should be back (not sure what's happening with Tokolahi either), and the outside back combo will depend on whether McNicol is also available. 
     
    Also, TKB is targeting this game or the Waikato-Thames Valley RS game on June 6 for his return.  So if it's the former, expect to see him in the 23.



  • It'll be a good old fashioned team of dirty dirties from Wales though won't it ? none of their test stars will front for this game I'm sure.



  • Unco's team will be close to the mark although I think Vaipulu will start at 7.  Kolomatangi has a long-term injury and hasn't been sighted all year.  The likes of Moli should be back (not sure what's happening with Tokolahi either), and the outside back combo will depend on whether McNicol is also available. 
     
    Also, TKB is targeting this game or the Waikato-Thames Valley RS game on June 6 for his return.  So if it's the former, expect to see him in the 23.

    Yeah, Tokolahi's a weird one. Either rested or dropped, I guess, and it's hard to tell which because they haven't mentioned him for a while.
     
    Great to hear about Moli and TKB though, McNicol too if he makes it back.



  • It'll be a good old fashioned team of dirty dirties from Wales though won't it ? none of their test stars will front for this game I'm sure.

    The Welsh have named a 35-man squad so 11 of their test 23 will need to play the Chiefs, i.e., some could be playing 3 games in 7 days.



  • Unco's team will be close to the mark although I think Vaipulu will start at 7.  Kolomatangi has a long-term injury and hasn't been sighted all year.  The likes of Moli should be back (not sure what's happening with Tokolahi either), and the outside back combo will depend on whether McNicol is also available. 
     
    Also, TKB is targeting this game or the Waikato-Thames Valley RS game on June 6 for his return.  So if it's the former, expect to see him in the 23.

    I'd start Horrell and 10, and move Donald to the bench



  • Chase Tiatia was on the injured list in the last team naming.



  • It'll be a good old fashioned team of dirty dirties from Wales though won't it ? none of their test stars will front for this game I'm sure.

    The Welsh have named a 35-man squad so 11 of their test 23 will need to play the Chiefs, i.e., some could be playing 3 games in 7 days.

    To take that a bit further, it would likely be that Wales' bench for the Chiefs game will be 8 of the 1st test team (and presumably 2nd test team) and they might play 20-30 minutes - or not at all - against the Chiefs. Only three guys will play 3 games in 7 days, and those 3 guys will probably not be in Wales' top XV (i.e. will be on the bench in the tests).  I'm not sure what the positional distribution of the 35 players is, but it seems very unlikely that any guy would start 3 times in 7 days.
     
    But the point remains that it's a crowded and particularly tough schedule.



  • I'd start Horrell and 10, and move Donald to the bench

    Or could DMac get a run at 10 with Donald on the bench?



  • I'd start Horrell and 10, and move Donald to the bench

    Who are you playing at 12 then? Vaka in his first start? Hansen didn't release any Saders players when they played England a couple years ago, so I wouldn't bet on Ngatai or Tamanivalu being available.



  • I don't like Horrell as a 1st 5.  Rennie used him last year in the playoffs with mixed success.  Horrell is much better suited to 2nd 5 so Donald has to play 10 and kick the goals.



  • I'm going to this game - really looking forward to it. (just hope we can field a decent line up and don't get thumped...)

    Yep Mokey I will be at game too, actually coming over from Aus with Welsh mate to follow the tour through country



  • There should be a good crowd despite being a midweek fixture and the early start.  I remember the 1988 clash between Waikato (featuring Gatland and Foster) and Wales  - a repeat of that result would be nice.  🙂



  • Today's news:
    Foster also confirmed no All Blacks would be released for the Chiefs match against Wales in Hamilton on June 14.
     
    So that means Weber and Beaver will get a start. 
     
    I went over to Paeroa yesterday to watch the Waikato-Thames Valley Ranfurly Shield game, paying particular interest in Moli.  He was a beast around the field so it would be safe to assume his shoulder injury is OK now and he will be involved in this game.



  • What's the story on revenue for this match? Is it being shared?
    I'm a believer in the NZRU scheduling one per tour for the ABs like v Munster a few years ago, as a revenue generating midweek game.
    But I concede the current generation at NZRU HQ seem to be quite competent so maybe it doesn't stack up.
    But you'd think a share of a Leicester gate or a Stade Francais gate would be worthwhile for both parties financially, plus get game time in hostile environment for some young guys, plus bring back a bit of the old days magic.



  • There should be a good crowd despite being a midweek fixture and the early start.  I remember the 1988 clash between Waikato (featuring Gatland and Foster) and Wales  - a repeat of that result would be nice.  🙂

    The Crusaders mid week game against England a couple of years ago was a great night out (despite the result obviously) glad they are doing it again



  • I like the idea of international teams playing midweek games too.  Gatland was the big driver of this fixture due to his Waikato/Chiefs connection.  To answer IR's question, I assume both teams will get a % of the gate takings.  The Chiefs are obviously confident enough in getting a large crowd, allowing them to give up a home game vs the Crusaders - historically one of the biggest crowds of the season.  One would also assume that the ticket prices are higher than normal too - it's part of my season ticket so I haven't looked at the price comparison.
     
    As to the game, expectations won't be too high for the Chiefs but it will be a great experience for the players and a valuable game for the coaches during the international break.



  • start kane haimes



  • Mitchell Graham
    Nathan Harris / Hika Elliot (c)
    Hiroshi Yamashita
    Dominic Bird
    Taleni Seu
    Johan Bardoul
    Tevita Koloamatangi / Maama Vaipulu
    Tom Sanders
    Brad Weber
    Stephen Donald
    James Lowe
    Anton Lienert-Brown
    Seta Tamanivalu / Charlie Ngatai (c)
    Toni Pulu
    Damian McKenzie / Glen Fisiiahi
    Hika Elliot / ?
    Kane Hames
    Siegfried Fisi’ihoi / Atu Moli
    Michael Allardice / James Tucker
    Sam Henwood / Lachlan Boshier
    Kayne Hammington / TKB
    Andrew Horrell
    Sam Vaka / Chase Tiatita / Glen Fisiiahi
    Using Don's team as as starting point ...
    Firstly is Bardoul available? He could also pkay lock. Could swap with Seu?
    Am assuming TKB is with the ABs so not released.
    Midfield looks to be an issue. Can Vaka play there?
    Anyways options as follows:

    1. Graham / Hames / Moli
    2. Elliot / Marshall
    3. Yamashita / Fisi'ihoi / Moli
      4.5. Bird / Allardice / Tucker / Seu / Bardoul
      6.7.8. Seu / Bardoul / Vaipulu / Sanders / Henwood / Boshier
    4. Weber / Hammington
    5. Donald
      12.13. Lienert-Brown / Horrell / Donald
      11.14. Lowe / Pulu / Vaka / Fisiiahi / Tiatita
    6. Horrell / Pulu / Fisiiahi


  • They should be able to cobble together a decent 23 out of that.





  • How stupid were the Chiefs to give Fisiiashi a contract? The guy has never gotten through a season of professional sport. Someone at the Chiefs must have known him as a schoolboy rugby player to rate him high enough for a Super 15 spot.



  • The Gallagher Chiefs team to play Wales is:

    1. Mitchell Graham (23)
    2. Rhys Marshall (30)
    3. Hiroshi Yamashita (7)
    4. Dominic Bird (5)
    5. Michael Allardice (17)
    6. Mitchell Brown*
    7. Lachlan Boshier (2)
    8. Tom Sanders (9)
    9. Brad Weber (36)10. Stephen Donald (87) Captain
    10. Sam Vaka (3)
    11. Andrew Horrell (53)
    12. Anton Lienert-Brown (18)
    13. Toni Pulu (7)
    14. James Lowe (31)
      RESERVES:
    15. Hika Elliot (98)
    16. Siegfried Fisi’ihoi (5)
    17. Atu Moli (5)
    18. Taleni Seu (12)
    19. Tevita Koloamatangi (7)
    20. Kayne Hammington (6)
    21. Sam McNicol (6)
    22. Latu Vaeno (2)
       
      Not considered for selection: Nepo Laulala, Mitchell Karpik, Johan Bardoul, Pauliasi Manu, Sam Henwood, Glen Fisiiahi, Chase Tiatia, Michael Leitch, Maama Vaipulu, James Tucker, Augustine Pulu (All Blacks Sevens) and Shaun Stevenson (New Zealand U20s).
      All Blacks: Charlie Ngatai, Brodie Rettalick, Sam Cane, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Seta Tamanivalu, Nathan Harris, Aaron Cruden and Damian McKenzie
       
      A few surprises here.  Who is Mitchell Brown?


  • I don't really see why we expect Welsh test players to back up and then we don't even release fringe All Blacks. I don't know. I can understand it but it is kind of disappointing .



  • A bit disappointed that no Chiefs players have been released. I think it would have made sense for Codie Taylor to be the bench hooker and Nathan Harris to get game time. Additionally, it doesn't look like Damian McKenzie will be getting game time any time soon, so why not let him get a chance against some reasonable opposition?



  • Not a bad side. Should be at the very least competitive.
    Surprised they've gone for a debutante over Seu.
    And yeah ... what Bovidae said ... what's Brown's background?



  • Mitchell Brown played No.8 for NZ Schools in 2011, I think. He was a No.8, but has had trouble breaking into the Taranaki team as a loose forward, so has been playing at lock. At 194cm, he is probably a bit too short for lock at this level, but a reasonable size for blindside. He is reasonably good at the lineout, has a good workrate, but is nothing special on attack.



  • Mitchell Brown
     
    16 first-class matches for Taranaki, 2012-2015
    1 first-class game for Hurricanes Dev team, 2013



  • Chiefs hooker sounds like he should be in the Wales XV, great Welsh name Rhys !
    I'd imagine the Welsh side in this game will be pretty poor.



  • Chiefs hooker sounds like he should be in the Wales XV, great Welsh name Rhys !
    I'd imagine the Welsh side in this game will be pretty poor.

    15 changes.
     
    Mike the Snow will be happy. Matthew Morgan gets a start.
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/36510160



  • 15 changes.
     
    Mike the Snow will be happy. Matthew Morgan gets a start.
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/36510160

    Very happy. About time.
     
    Good mix of youthful exuberance and experience.
     
    Matthew Morgan, Scott Williams, Tom James, Rob Evans, Scott Baldwin and Luke Charteris playing for a possible 2nd Test place.
     
    Hopefully will have too much for The Chiefs and come away with one victory this summer.



  • Hope a few of them play well enough to force themselves into next weekends test side Mike.
    Looking like a shootout between James & Walker for George North's spot. Maybe a chance for them both as Amos was a little timid yesterday.
    Hope Scott Williams plays himself in, we'd be a stronger attacking threat with him over Roberts.



  • nice to see Beaver getting some recognition. Captain Beaver!



  • Hope a few of them play well enough to force themselves into next weekends test side Mike.
    Looking like a shootout between James & Walker for George North's spot. Maybe a chance for them both as Amos was a little timid yesterday.
    Hope Scott Williams plays himself in, we'd be a stronger attacking threat with him over Roberts.

    100%



  • no haimes



  • A bit disappointed that no Chiefs players have been released. I think it would have made sense for Codie Taylor to be the bench hooker and Nathan Harris to get game time. Additionally, it doesn't look like Damian McKenzie will be getting game time any time soon, so why not let him get a chance against some reasonable opposition?
    I have no issues with players not being released. They were selected into the AB camp so the coaches could work with them for the current and upcoming test campaign.
    What are they going to achieve by having D Mac leaving the ABs and spending time back with the Chiefs to play a second string Wales side?



  • I know what you mean, but wouldn't think he'd need to spend a huge amount of time out of the AB setup - just a couple of days (and likely days where not too much would be happening, anyway - I'd say they'd largely be about recovery and review), given he already knows how the Chiefs play. It would mean he has an opportunity to put some of what he has learned into practice in an actual game situation, rather than learning lots of little things that he can't actually put to use, and are likely quickly forgotten. Also, testing yourself against some decent opposition is never a bad idea, either. I think that, in and of itself, is also a good learning experience.


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