Best League to Union convert



  • Have possibly done this topic before but I can't remember........
     
    Such a relief to hear SBW has signed for another 3 years, NZ Rugby can sleep so much more soundly tonight knowing that news.
     
    Anyway, was wondering where he stands in this esteemed lot.........definitely higher than Benji Marshall, Willie Carne, Willie Mason.......
     
    but is he ( yet ) up there with Brad Thorn and Jason Robinson ?
     
    If he has an awesome three years he might but I don't think he's there yet........



  • Tuqiri and Mat Rogers were both pretty good, as was Wendell.
     
    Obviously Aussie now have Folau too.
     
    BBBT is probably up there for me, in terms of position and longevity...I personally wasn't a big fan of Robinson, although he did good things for England.



  • Can't really look past Robinson and Thorn, who's the best that went the other way?



  • Thorn and Robinson as I said, SBW probably belongs in a group with Sailor, Rogers, Tuqiri, Folau, Burgess ( kidding )
     
    Ryan Cross did a reverse Benji Marshall, much better Union player than League ( never played SoO or for Kangaroos but played for Wallabies )
     
    Sure he has won a couple of WCs to BT and JRs one each but you have to judge players on non WC years as well and those two have done far more.
     
    jegga, cock that he might be but Ridgy was a fucken excellent leaguie, not sure how he would have gone in a longer AB career.



  • Can't really look past Robinson and Thorn, who's the best that went the other way?

    John Kirwan! 😉
     
    Edit - oh and Marc Ellis.
     
    Good old Warriors.



  • Can't really look past Robinson and Thorn, who's the best that went the other way?

    Matthew Ridge from NZ.
     
    There were a ton of Aussie league greats who played for OZ Union U21s.



  • Craig Innes was pretty good too, wasn't he?
     
    How was Mark Brooke-Cowden at league?
     
    Kurt Sherlock?
     
    Who was the halfback from Auckland circa 1987 who left?



  • Halligan forged a handy career in League too.



  • Hard to go past Jason Robinson at the moment. I suspect Israel Folau may take that spot though by the time he finishes his career.
     
    Thorn was a great player too, but he really was such a hybrid 6/lock that I find it tough to put him at the top tier of converts.
     
    Somebody who should have been, but couldn't hide from his troubles is Andrew Walker.  He's got to be up there the most natural looking athletes that I've ever seen.  Beautiful running game, huge punt and good defender.  Just didn't have the mental part right.



  • Hard to go past Jason Robinson at the moment. I suspect Israel Folau may take that spot though by the time he finishes his career.
     
    Thorn was a great player too, but he really was such a hybrid 6/lock that I find it tough to put him at the top tier of converts.
     
    Somebody who should have been, but couldn't hide from his troubles is Andrew Walker.  He's got to be up there the most natural looking athletes that I've ever seen.  Beautiful running game, huge punt and good defender.  Just didn't have the mental part right.

    Didn't Robinson play wing/FB?



  • Botica would be up there wouldn't he?



  • Matthew Ridge from NZ.
    There were a ton of Aussie league greats who played for OZ Union U21s.

    Ricky Stuart would probably be the best Aussie rugby to league convert.



  • Didn't Robinson play wing/FB?

    He was more fullback.  But he was a universally acclaimed player.
     
    Thorn had many detractors around the globe mainly because he was quite short for a lock.  He made up to for it though by being so tough, and with Kaino and Read being great lineout exponents, he worked well for our gameplan.



  • Hard to go past Jason Robinson at the moment. I suspect Israel Folau may take that spot though by the time he finishes his career.

    Folau is easily the best convert in Australia. Tuqiri, Sailor and Rogers had their moments, but haven't come close to achieving the dominance Folau has over multiple seasons.
     
    It's a shame he was injured through the RWC as he missed a chance to prove his greatness in front of a global audience. 
     
    He has now won back-to-back John Eales medals and for me it's between him, BBBT and Robinson as best convert.



  • Folau is easily the best convert in Australia. Tuqiri, Sailor and Rogers had their moments, but haven't come close to achieving the dominance Folau has over multiple seasons.
     
    It's a shame he was injured through the RWC as he missed a chance to prove his greatness in front of a global audience. 
     
    He has now won back-to-back John Eales medals and for me it's between him, BBBT and Robinson as best convert.

    Yep, Folau is way better than the others you mentioned. As for putting SBW in a group with them ...



  • who's the best that went the other way?

    Likely not better than Ridge, but Inga was pretty underrated just because he plied his trade in the UK. He was pretty lethal by all reports on the wing for Wigan for a good 4-5 year stretch.
     
    Probably achieved equal standing in both games in much the same way to Jason Robinson.
     
    John Timu was at a comparable level.



  • Henry Paul....



  • Ricky Stuart would probably be the best Aussie rugby to league convert.

    I haven't followed rubby loig since Super League / Super Greed days (c. 1996-97) but Wally Lewis was a crack junior union player. Michael O'Connor was another good 'un. Fuck I miss those Hunter Mariners.



  • Ricky Stuart would probably be the best Aussie rugby to league convert.

    Ray Price and Michael O'Connor would dispute that.



  • Ricky Stuart would probably be the best Aussie rugby to league convert.

    Yep hands down. He totally revolutionised that position in league. I remember reading that Simeon Poedevin was gutted that he left for league. Pretty smart choice when you consider he wasn't getting paid and had a guy called Nick Farr-Jones in front of him for NSW and Australia.
     
    Best league-union convert has to be Folau I reckon.