Best League to Union convert



  • Have possibly done this topic before but I can't remember........
     
    Such a relief to hear SBW has signed for another 3 years, NZ Rugby can sleep so much more soundly tonight knowing that news.
     
    Anyway, was wondering where he stands in this esteemed lot.........definitely higher than Benji Marshall, Willie Carne, Willie Mason.......
     
    but is he ( yet ) up there with Brad Thorn and Jason Robinson ?
     
    If he has an awesome three years he might but I don't think he's there yet........



  • Tuqiri and Mat Rogers were both pretty good, as was Wendell.
     
    Obviously Aussie now have Folau too.
     
    BBBT is probably up there for me, in terms of position and longevity...I personally wasn't a big fan of Robinson, although he did good things for England.



  • Can't really look past Robinson and Thorn, who's the best that went the other way?



  • Thorn and Robinson as I said, SBW probably belongs in a group with Sailor, Rogers, Tuqiri, Folau, Burgess ( kidding )
     
    Ryan Cross did a reverse Benji Marshall, much better Union player than League ( never played SoO or for Kangaroos but played for Wallabies )
     
    Sure he has won a couple of WCs to BT and JRs one each but you have to judge players on non WC years as well and those two have done far more.
     
    jegga, cock that he might be but Ridgy was a fucken excellent leaguie, not sure how he would have gone in a longer AB career.



  • Can't really look past Robinson and Thorn, who's the best that went the other way?

    John Kirwan! 😉
     
    Edit - oh and Marc Ellis.
     
    Good old Warriors.



  • Can't really look past Robinson and Thorn, who's the best that went the other way?

    Matthew Ridge from NZ.
     
    There were a ton of Aussie league greats who played for OZ Union U21s.



  • Craig Innes was pretty good too, wasn't he?
     
    How was Mark Brooke-Cowden at league?
     
    Kurt Sherlock?
     
    Who was the halfback from Auckland circa 1987 who left?



  • Halligan forged a handy career in League too.



  • Hard to go past Jason Robinson at the moment. I suspect Israel Folau may take that spot though by the time he finishes his career.
     
    Thorn was a great player too, but he really was such a hybrid 6/lock that I find it tough to put him at the top tier of converts.
     
    Somebody who should have been, but couldn't hide from his troubles is Andrew Walker.  He's got to be up there the most natural looking athletes that I've ever seen.  Beautiful running game, huge punt and good defender.  Just didn't have the mental part right.



  • Hard to go past Jason Robinson at the moment. I suspect Israel Folau may take that spot though by the time he finishes his career.
     
    Thorn was a great player too, but he really was such a hybrid 6/lock that I find it tough to put him at the top tier of converts.
     
    Somebody who should have been, but couldn't hide from his troubles is Andrew Walker.  He's got to be up there the most natural looking athletes that I've ever seen.  Beautiful running game, huge punt and good defender.  Just didn't have the mental part right.

    Didn't Robinson play wing/FB?



  • Botica would be up there wouldn't he?



  • Matthew Ridge from NZ.
    There were a ton of Aussie league greats who played for OZ Union U21s.

    Ricky Stuart would probably be the best Aussie rugby to league convert.



  • Didn't Robinson play wing/FB?

    He was more fullback.  But he was a universally acclaimed player.
     
    Thorn had many detractors around the globe mainly because he was quite short for a lock.  He made up to for it though by being so tough, and with Kaino and Read being great lineout exponents, he worked well for our gameplan.



  • Hard to go past Jason Robinson at the moment. I suspect Israel Folau may take that spot though by the time he finishes his career.

    Folau is easily the best convert in Australia. Tuqiri, Sailor and Rogers had their moments, but haven't come close to achieving the dominance Folau has over multiple seasons.
     
    It's a shame he was injured through the RWC as he missed a chance to prove his greatness in front of a global audience. 
     
    He has now won back-to-back John Eales medals and for me it's between him, BBBT and Robinson as best convert.



  • Folau is easily the best convert in Australia. Tuqiri, Sailor and Rogers had their moments, but haven't come close to achieving the dominance Folau has over multiple seasons.
     
    It's a shame he was injured through the RWC as he missed a chance to prove his greatness in front of a global audience. 
     
    He has now won back-to-back John Eales medals and for me it's between him, BBBT and Robinson as best convert.

    Yep, Folau is way better than the others you mentioned. As for putting SBW in a group with them ...



  • who's the best that went the other way?

    Likely not better than Ridge, but Inga was pretty underrated just because he plied his trade in the UK. He was pretty lethal by all reports on the wing for Wigan for a good 4-5 year stretch.
     
    Probably achieved equal standing in both games in much the same way to Jason Robinson.
     
    John Timu was at a comparable level.



  • Henry Paul....



  • Ricky Stuart would probably be the best Aussie rugby to league convert.

    I haven't followed rubby loig since Super League / Super Greed days (c. 1996-97) but Wally Lewis was a crack junior union player. Michael O'Connor was another good 'un. Fuck I miss those Hunter Mariners.



  • Ricky Stuart would probably be the best Aussie rugby to league convert.

    Ray Price and Michael O'Connor would dispute that.



  • Ricky Stuart would probably be the best Aussie rugby to league convert.

    Yep hands down. He totally revolutionised that position in league. I remember reading that Simeon Poedevin was gutted that he left for league. Pretty smart choice when you consider he wasn't getting paid and had a guy called Nick Farr-Jones in front of him for NSW and Australia.
     
    Best league-union convert has to be Folau I reckon.



  • George Nepia.
     
    He was so good at league, we let him play for Canterbury!
     
    In 1935 Nepia went to England to play rugby league professionally being signed initially by Streatham and Mitcham Rugby League Club in London for £500. His family remained in New Zealand. Because rugby union was a strictly amateur game at the time, Nepia was cast out from rugby union. Nepia later transferred to Halifax. In 1937 he returned to New Zealand and played league forManukau and played for the New Zealand Māori and New Zealand rugby league team.[4] During July and August 1937 Nepia traveled to the South Island, representing both Hornby and Canterbury.
     
    Someone should adopt that bolded bit as a tagline!  🙂



  • Pfft, that was only 90 years ago. Try Charlie "Bronco'' Seeling!

    "Bronco" Seeling was an outstanding forward in the Original All Blacks of 1905 and renowned for his tackling and his strength. Seeling played 39 matches for New Zealand, including 11 tests, before signing for the Wigan league club in 1910. He scored 54 tries for Wigan from 1910 to 1913 and played in three successive championship finals. He made more than 200 first grade appearances for Wigan over 13 years and had three years as captain. His name remains revered in British league, perhaps better known there than it is in New Zealand rugby. Yet Seeling was described by a noted British rugby writer, E H D Sewell, as a splendid specimen of manhood“Search where one may,” Sewell wrote, “a better forward than Seeling does not exist.

    http://www.nzhalloffame.co.nz/Inductees/S/Charlie-Seeling.aspx



  • Bert Cooke read one pundit said he was the Cully of his day...all 61.6kg of him!
     
    Rugby union career[edit]
    Cooke joined the Grafton rugby union club in 1919 and graduated to senior club rugby in 1923. In that same year he made his Auckland debut and was a reserve for New Zealand against New South Wales. He was then part of the 1924–1925 "Invincibles" side that toured Great Britain. He again played for the All Blacks in 1925 and 1926 but withdrew from the 1928 tour of South Africa for business reasons.[2] He did play twice in 1928 for New Zealand against New South Wales before making his last Test appearances in 1930 against Great Britain.
    Cooke played for the North Island in 1931 and spent 1932 with Hawke's Bay, before switching codes. Cooke also represented Wairarapa and Wellington while playing rugby union.[3] He finished his rugby union career with 121 tries in 131 first class matches.[2]
    Rugby league career[edit]
    Cooke joined the Richmond Rovers club in the Auckland Rugby League competition in 1932 and made an immediate impact, racing away for three tries in the inter-island game only weeks later.[4] He was selected for New Zealand that year against the Great Britain Lions. Cooke also represented Auckland and captained New Zealand in two Test matches against Australia in 1935.[5][6]
    He coached Auckland in 1936.[4]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Cooke_(rugby)



  • League to Union: Brad Thorn
    Union to League: Brad Thorn
     
    There....done.



  • Currently playing:
     
    League to Union: Nehe Milner-Skudder
    Union to League: Tohu Harris



  • SBW is the best for me.
    Plus has  he bought a skill set with him that was a true step up.
    Miles ahead of Robinson, and slightly ahead of BBBT



  • Can't really look past Robinson and Thorn, who's the best that went the other way?

    Dally Messenger.



  • SBW is the best for me.
    Plus has  he bought a skill set with him that was a true step up.
    Miles ahead of Robinson, and slightly ahead of BBBT

    Well Robinson was a better stepper and much faster. Thorn was better at every single facet of forward play.
     
    But of course, that means nothing up against SBW. You win.



  • Bert Cooke read one pundit said he was the Cully of his day...all 61.6kg of him!
    Rugby union career[edit]
    Cooke joined the Grafton rugby union club in 1919 and graduated to senior club rugby in 1923. In that same year he made his Auckland debut and was a reserve for New Zealand against New South Wales. He was then part of the 1924–1925 "Invincibles" side that toured Great Britain. He again played for the All Blacks in 1925 and 1926 but withdrew from the 1928 tour of South Africa for business reasons.[2] He did play twice in 1928 for New Zealand against New South Wales before making his last Test appearances in 1930 against Great Britain.
    Cooke played for the North Island in 1931 and spent 1932 with Hawke's Bay, before switching codes. Cooke also represented Wairarapa and Wellington while playing rugby union.[3] He finished his rugby union career with 121 tries in 131 first class matches.[2]
    Rugby league career[edit]
    Cooke joined the Richmond Rovers club in the Auckland Rugby League competition in 1932 and made an immediate impact, racing away for three tries in the inter-island game only weeks later.[4] He was selected for New Zealand that year against the Great Britain Lions. Cooke also represented Auckland and captained New Zealand in two Test matches against Australia in 1935.[5][6]
    He coached Auckland in 1936.[4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Cooke_(rugby)

    Where the old centre point building was in masterton there used to be a menswear shop, my old man said the Wairarapa rugby union paid to set Cooke up in the shop to get him to come and play for them .



  • That schoolboy "superstar" that Canesforlife was hyping a couple of months back will be the best of all  🙂
     
    Nelson someone?



  • Muntz?



  • Muntz?

    Ha Ha



  • Muntz?

    Well he was springfields star quarterback until Homer dropped him for Bart 🙂



  • Tana was a leagie wasn't he? When did he first play union?



  • Well Robinson was a better stepper and much faster. Thorn was better at every single facet of forward play.
     
    But of course, that means nothing up against SBW. You win.

    Are you being intentionally dim?
     
    The skill step he bought was the off load, that whilst used in rugby before was a truly a leap above what union had seen before.
    People had stepped like Robinson before. And BBBT bought what skill that rugby had never seen before? BBBT was a excellent AB with many fine characteristics.
     
    You can disagree as much as you like, but at least try and follow other peoples points before making dumb comments.



  • Are you being intentionally dim?
     
    The skill step  set he bought brought was the off load, that whilst used in rugby before was a truly a leap above what union had seen before.
    People had stepped like Robinson before. And BBBT bought what skill that rugby had never seen before? BBBT was a excellent AB with many fine characteristics.
     
    You can disagree as much as you like, but at least try and follow other peoples points before making dumb comments.

    No, I'm disagreeing with you and you're going on the offensive and being insulting. What a massive surprise.
     
    Until SBW achieves what those two did year upon year I might save the jizz fest for you if that's ok. I'm sure I remember Jonah being a terrific offloader when he wasn't trampling or running around guys but I guess I imagined that.
     
    I corrected your post for you as well. Hope you don't mind.



  • Michael O'Connor had a very good league career for a rugby convert



  • No, I'm disagreeing with you and you're going on the offensive and being insulting. What a massive surprise.
     
    Until SBW achieves what those two did year upon year I might save the jizz fest for you if that's ok. I'm sure I remember Jonah being a terrific offloader when he wasn't trampling or running around guys but I guess I imagined that.
     
    I corrected your post for you as well. Hope you don't mind.

    Achieve what they did? Well that is a different argument entirely. Way to move the goal posts and argue about something I never said. BBBT has arguably achieved more, but I dont think so as winning 2 world cups trumps all IMO. As for Robinson... I would be fascinated to see what argument could be made that he achieved more.
     
    And your 'jizz' comment is pathetic. I simply said  that I think SBW was a better convert to union because his a particular  skill set he bought across is at a new level...  
     
    And good luck convincing anyone that Lomu was as good at off loading as SBW. Lomu had many incredible traits, and he could off load, but not at the level of SBW.
     
    Just because I think SBW was a better convert than Robinson and BBBT does not mean I think they were rubbish or that I think SBW is the best rugby player. 
     
    But least I know you were not intentionally being dim.



  • It's really hard to rate SBW in relation to the others because he hasn't been with the ABs for very long at any one time and has never been first choice. His only full seasons were in 2011 and 2015 and he was always a bench option. Now we get to see what he can achieve with 3 straight seasons of just union. I think we'll get a much better indication after that.



  • Achieve what they did? Well that is a different argument entirely. Way to move the goal posts and argue about something I never said. BBBT has arguably achieved more, but I dont think so as winning 2 world cups trumps all IMO. As for Robinson... I would be fascinated to see what argument could be made that he achieved more.
     
    And your 'jizz' comment is pathetic. I simply said  that I think SBW was a better convert to union because his a particular  skill set he bought across is at a new level...  
     
    And good luck convincing anyone that Lomu was as good at off loading as SBW. Lomu had many incredible traits, and he could off load, but not at the level of SBW.
     
    Just because I think SBW was a better convert than Robinson and BBBT does not mean I think they were rubbish or that I think SBW is the best rugby player. 
     
    But least I know you were not intentionally being dim.

    Well yeah, that was the whole point in the thread. If SBW has a great few years perhaps he'll get there.


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