Exodus 2017



  • TH prop Charlie Faumuina (Blues) will join french club Toulouse on a 3-year deal after the 2017 Lions Series.
     
    http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2016/06/09/2361920-cotes-fermes-au-racing-92-92.html



  • He's signed on with the NZRU till the end of 2017 last I read but I guess he might have negotiated a release.
    Good news for Nepo Laulala.



  • TH prop Charlie Faumuina (Blues) will join french club Toulouse on a 3-year deal after the 2017 Lions Series.
     
    http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2016/06/09/2361920-cotes-fermes-au-racing-92-92.html

    Has this been confirmed officially by the club? Or is this still in the "rumour" phase?
     
    It's a bit premature to assume Faumuina will still be selected for the All Blacks if he's leaving the country straight after the Lions tour.



  • Ugh, not Charlie... Pretty much got the best hands and fastest feet of any prop going round I reckon.
     
    Well, by then he'll be 31ish and he's been a rock for Auckland/Blues. I wouldn't begrudge him a good payday.
     
    I had hoped he'd make it through to RWC 2019 though, he's such a good impact player.



  • This story has been around for a couple of weeks. Both Toulouse and Clermont would like to sign Charlie Fauminia:
    http://www.leclubrugby.fr/top14/charlie-faumuina-devrait-etre-en-france-en-2017



  • I was suprised he stayed on after the world cup so I'm not suprised by this. Good luck to him.



  • Has this been confirmed officially by the club? Or is this still in the "rumour" phase?
     
    It's a bit premature to assume Faumuina will still be selected for the All Blacks if he's leaving the country straight after the Lions tour.

    The club won't confirm anything "officially" before 2017 but the newspaper La Dépêche is very close to the club so the news come from somebody working for Stade Toulousain.



  • TH prop Charlie Faumuina (Blues) will join french club Toulouse on a 3-year deal after the 2017 Lions Series.
     
    http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2016/06/09/2361920-cotes-fermes-au-racing-92-92.html

    Is there a poster I "hate" more...
     
    At least mollycoddle us by saying "is rumoured to be joining" rather than "will join".
     
    I'm not the least surprised.  He just about left last time, but decided to stay to try and crack the starting 3 spot...which still hasn't happened.  He's not getting younger...and TH earn a mint in France...



  • TH prop Charlie Faumuina (Blues) will join french club Toulouse on a 3-year deal after the 2017 Lions Series.http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2016/06/09/2361920-cotes-fermes-au-racing-92-92.html

    Not happy with that.



  • Does seem odd so far out, especially with the Lions a big thing for most current ABs and opting to leave now if you are a bench AB may see you miss the Lions should say Laulala make good strides next year



  • Is there a poster I "hate" more...
     
    At least mollycoddle us by saying "is rumoured to be joining" rather than "will join".
     
    I'm not the least surprised.  He just about left last time, but decided to stay to try and crack the starting 3 spot...which still hasn't happened.  He's not getting younger...and TH earn a mint in France...

    yeah, it is some perverse pleeasure Jauzy gets out of this.  Menawhile - 3 great games were played on the world stage and France are an afterthought



  • No perverse pleasure for me, i just want to inform you. I'm bored of all those foreign players coming in France, there is no identity in our clubs and the level isn't better so now i watch only 1 or 2 games per week when i watched 4 or 5 before.
     
    I really hope rugby in NZ won't become as it is in France now.



  • Dave Rennie to become head coach of the Glasgow Warriors from the beginning of the 2017-2018 season.
     
    Media release Glasgow Warriors: http://www.glasgowwarriors.org/news/16/08/19/chiefs-coach-dave-rennie-be-new-head-coach
     
     
    [As we'll increasingly get news about players/coaches leaving in 2017, I'm bringing back this topic.]



  • It's interesting that both Blackadder and Rennie have contracts with clubs in the UK that end in 2019. All Blacks coaching role anyone?



  • Gee, couldn't Rennie get a bigger and better coaching gig in Europe? Coaching the Glasgow Warriors will be a step down from coaching the Chiefs.



  • Gee, couldn't Rennie get a bigger and better coaching gig in Europe? Coaching the Glasgow Warriors will be a step down from coaching the Chiefs.

    Wouldn't everything be a step down?
    Must be good coin.



  • Gee, couldn't Rennie get a bigger and better coaching gig in Europe? Coaching the Glasgow Warriors will be a step down from coaching the Chiefs.

    I mentioned it in another thread but perhaps he wanted a specific type of contract with out clauses and many of the bigger clubs weren't interested in that?
     
    I'm more surprised the Townsend got the Scotland job seemingly without interviews/applications? Surely Rennie is a guy you look at for something like that?



  • You Chiefs boys should be hoping for Keane to take over.
    If he can get them humming in attack like the makos a couple of seasons ago combined with your inherent filthy niggling, smiley, you'll be in great shape
    Might even make the semi finals....



  • I mentioned it in another thread but perhaps he wanted a specific type of contract with out clauses and many of the bigger clubs weren't interested in that?
     
    I'm more surprised the Townsend got the Scotland job seemingly without interviews/applications? Surely Rennie is a guy you look at for something like that?

    Not at all.

    1. He's Scottish
    2. He has done a damn fine job with Glasgow
    3. Rennie IMO has signed a 2 year contract with Glasgow and will return to NZ in 2019 as part of the assistant coaching panel for the 2019 RWC.  I mean who can take over from Hansen?  None of the current panel have any credentials as head coach, so that leaves IMO Rennie, Joseph, and probably Schmidt.  I don't think the NZRFU would touch Gatland with a barge poll (rightly so IMO), Cotter has little real success on his CV, ditto for most other NZ coaches.  I suppose if the Hurricanes lads can back-up next season, they will be in the mix too.


  • Not at all.

    1. He's Scottish
    2. He has done a damn fine job with Glasgow
    3. Rennie IMO has signed a 2 year contract with Glasgow and will return to NZ in 2019 as part of the assistant coaching panel for the 2019 RWC.  I mean who can take over from Hansen?  None of the current panel have any credentials as head coach, so that leaves IMO Rennie, Joseph, and probably Schmidt.  I don't think the NZRFU would touch Gatland with a barge poll (rightly so IMO), Cotter has little real success on his CV, ditto for most other NZ coaches.  I suppose if the Hurricanes lads can back-up next season, they will be in the mix too.

    Not surprised by the appointment. Surprised by the timing and lack of a comprehensive search. To appoint someone this far out and without seeing what else is out there is unusual - especially for a team that needs all the help it can get to overperform.
     
    Think you are spot on with 3.



  • You Chiefs boys should be hoping for Keane to take over.

    Keane would be my choice.
     
    The official media release on the Chiefs website:

    Following his huge success with the Chiefs, Dave Rennie has been appointed Head Coach for the Glasgow Warriors in Scotland and will take up his new role at the completion of the 2017 Investec Super Rugby season. 
    Dave said it is with mixed emotions that he leaves the Chiefs. 
    “I have loved my time here and leave with a heavy heart. I’ve been fortunate to work with fantastic people and I am exceptionally proud of the men who represent us and what we have achieved over the past 5 years.” 
    Dave, who formerly coached Wellington, Manawatu and the New Zealand Under-20s, joined the Chiefs in 2012 and proceeded to take the Club to its maiden title in his first year. In 2013 he led the team to win a back to back championship and has since steered the team into the Super Rugby playoffs every year. 
    “Steph and I are really looking forward to a new phase in our lives. We are really impressed with what we have seen in Glasgow, the history, the people, the lifestyle. The Warriors are really aspirational, have good people, and have created a great culture under Gregor. But there’s a big job to be done here in 2017 before we pack our bags,” Dave said. 
    Chiefs Rugby Club CEO Andrew Flexman said while he has known about Dave’s intention to coach abroad for some time, he will be missed by the entire organisation. 
    “I wish Dave every success with the next chapter in his distinguished coaching career. We at the Chiefs are clearly disappointed to lose the services of such a talented coach.” 
    Dave will lead the Chiefs through his 6th Investec Super Rugby campaign for the 2017 season before taking up his new position for the beginning of the Northern 2017/18 season. 
    “We have a very exciting playing roster for 2017 and I know Dave will be determined to go out on a high note. The squad will not lack for motivation either given the contribution Dave has made to the success of this Club,” Flexman said. 
    Flexman says they are well advanced in discussions around a replacement. 
    “We hope to be in a position to confirm a new Head Coach for the Chiefs over the next few months.”



  • Players off contract in 2017:

    Kieran Read, Sam Whitelock, Owen Franks, Cory Jane, Israel Dagg, Aaron Cruden, Ben Smith, Charlie Faumuina, Sam Cane, Steven Luatua, Malakai Fekitoa, Hikawera Elliot, Nepo Laulala, Codie Taylor, James Broadhurst, Tawera Kerr Barlow, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Waisake Naholo, Brad Weber, Charlie Ngatai and Ryan Crotty

    Who do we really not want to lose, thinking ahead to 2019...?



  • @Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:

    Players off contract in 2017:

    Kieran Read, Sam Whitelock, Owen Franks, Cory Jane, Israel Dagg, Aaron Cruden, Ben Smith, Charlie Faumuina, Sam Cane, Steven Luatua, Malakai Fekitoa, Hikawera Elliot, Nepo Laulala, Codie Taylor, James Broadhurst, Tawera Kerr Barlow, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Waisake Naholo, Brad Weber, Charlie Ngatai and Ryan Crotty

    Who do we really not want to lose, thinking ahead to 2019...?

    All of them. But Whitelock the most because he and BBBR are light years ahead of the chasing pack.



  • If we're lucky Jauzy wont find his way here .... 🙂





  • @Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:

    Players off contract in 2017:

    Kieran Read, Sam Whitelock, Owen Franks, Cory Jane, Israel Dagg, Aaron Cruden, Ben Smith, Charlie Faumuina, Sam Cane, Steven Luatua, Malakai Fekitoa, Hikawera Elliot, Nepo Laulala, Codie Taylor, James Broadhurst, Tawera Kerr Barlow, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Waisake Naholo, Brad Weber, Charlie Ngatai and Ryan Crotty

    Who do we really not want to lose, thinking ahead to 2019...?

    I think it's likely that Jane, Elliot and Broadhurst will cash in elsewhere.

    Of those that I think we could lose without too much angst I would nominate Dagg, Luatua, Fekitoa, Ngatai (only because we are doing without him already). Weber wouldn't be a massive loss either.



  • Kalolo Tuiloma the big prop from Counties has gone to play top 14 rugby for FC Grenoble as a medical joker for seven months.





  • Where's the dislike button?

    Machine translation:

    Lolagi Visinia has signed for two seasons with the FCG

    Lolagi Visinia will join Grenoble next season for two years. International U20 and 7, Lolagi Visinia can play with the wing, the middle and the rear. Powerful (1.92m, 101kg), the 23-year-old New Zealander played for Auckland in Miter 10 Cup and for the Blues in Super Rugby and will experience in Isère his first experience in Europe.

    Bernard Jackman presents it as "one of the brightest utility backs of New Zealand. He has been playing for Auckland and the Auckland Blues since he was 18 years old. And despite his young age he already has a lot of experience. It can play the wing and the rear but also second center with a big power at the impact. His game at the foot is also very interesting. He refused an offer from the Crusaders to come to the FCG and discover the Top14, so it's a real pleasure for us to welcome him. "



  • @Tim Maybe I'm reading too much in it, but if he has signed with Grenoble for next season, then the Crusaders wanted him for more than a year, or not at all. If they would have agreed to a one year contract, he could have accepted that and then after the season leave for Grenoble? Unless they offered only a WTG spot.



  • Not a major loss. Never really reached the heights clearly overtaken by Nanai.



  • Leinster targetting Dagg apparently.



  • @Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:

    Leinster targetting Dagg apparently.

    Hmmm, the way he's going now, having worked so hard to get back in that black jersey, I can't see Dagg leaving after the 2017 season. It would be different if he had a crystal ball saying he won't make the squad for the Lions tour, but lacking that ...



  • @Billy-Tell Thats surprising. As he's one of the ones being slandered for a high tackle which should have been red-carded etc ...

    Thought that sort of stuff wasn't condoned.



  • According to the latest edition of Midi-Olympique (Midol), both Dagg and Fekitoa have met with Toulon owner Boudjellal. Midol claims that Toulon has already made an offer to Dagg, but faces competition from Bordeaux and Toulouse. No offer has been made to Fekitoa, as they will first consider the future of Nonu (Bristol is - according to Midol - interested in signing Nonu) and Maxime Mermoz at the club.

    The same paper says that Montpellier has used the presence of Cruden in Paris to finalise his contract. La Rochelle is also interested in Cruden, but doesn't have the finances to match Montpellier's offer. The paper says the value of the contract is between 700,000 and 1 million Euro per season.

    Finally, Section Paloise (Pau) is interested in Ben Smith, but only initial contacts have been made, nothing more.

    An anonymous Top 14 chairman told Midol he refused to start talks with players just to enter a game of "overbidding", suggesting that with one exception, he's convinced that all of them will eventually re-sign with NZR.

    It's all rumours of course, but if there's any truth in what Midol writes, who is the exception? Cruden?



  • The Cruden thing doesn't quite ring true. I think Cruds is an honest enough bloke that he would have given Shag a heads up instead of playing silly buggers (unless he honestly told him no decision had been made and the offer was made after the game and was too big to refuse).

    I can see Fekitoa taking the money. Way too much movement in the AB midfield to come. Also has a likely desire to go for as much money as he can to repay his family. Wouldn't blame him at all.



  • @Crucial said in Exodus 2017:

    The Cruden thing doesn't quite ring true. I think Cruds is an honest enough bloke that he would have given Shag a heads up instead of playing silly buggers (unless he honestly told him no decision had been made and the offer was made after the game and was too big to refuse).

    I can see Fekitoa taking the money. Way too much movement in the AB midfield to come. Also has a likely desire to go for as much money as he can to repay his family. Wouldn't blame him at all.

    Disagree. Reckon Cruden much more likely to go than Fekitoa. Cruden is late 20s, stuck behind Barrett, with Sopoaga and Mounga hot on his heels. Does he really think he'll be starting 10 in 2019??

    Fekitoa is a baby All Black, I'd be genuinely surprised to see him go unless offered ridiculous money.



  • @Billy-Tell Mounga hot on his heels? Seriously? He has had one good season of second tier competition.
    He may get there but I'd hardly think Cruden is waking in a cold sweat thinking about him.
    A lot will depend on what Shag and Co have spoken to Cruden about how he fits into their plans. Remember he probably has unfinished goals after his injuries. One injury to BB and he is back at first choice.



  • @Crucial said in Exodus 2017:

    @Billy-Tell Mounga hot on his heels? Seriously? He has had one good season of second tier competition.
    He may get there but I'd hardly think Cruden is waking in a cold sweat thinking about him.
    A lot will depend on what Shag and Co have spoken to Cruden about how he fits into their plans. Remember he probably has unfinished goals after his injuries. One injury to BB and he is back at first choice.

    You're making a lot of assumptions there about the way players think and feel. Unless you know Cruden or Fekitoa personally, I'm not sure where you are plucking these ideas from.



  • Damn, and the NZ Herald hasn't even printed a rumour about Cruden signing for the Blues.


Log in to reply