Guns and Strippers thread! Best ever!



  • For discussion of guns, violence, mass shootings etc.



  • Let's start with a good argument against:
     


     



  • The thing I find most fascinating about American gun nuts is that they have the sensitivity of the devoutly and publicly religious. They cannot brook any criticism, and must be politically placated. They even have their own persecution complex, and elaborate mythology of bullshit arguments and conspiracy theories.



  • How about banning the assault rifles and only allowing shotties and bolt action rifles?
     
    Nah, thought not...



  • You can buy a semi-automatic version of the M-249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) light machine gun which we know as the Minimi in these parts.
     
    https://warisboring.com/on-sale-now-a-civilian-squad-machine-gun-e1353d045b5c#.p7brot20w
     
    Only $8K for a 200-round belt-fed semi auto? Winning!



  • You can buy a semi-automatic version of the M-249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) light machine gun which we know as the Minimi in these parts.
     
    https://warisboring.com/on-sale-now-a-civilian-squad-machine-gun-e1353d045b5c#.p7brot20w
     
    Only $8K for a 200-round belt-fed semi auto? Winning!

    A toy compared to the M60.
     
    But as any decent home protection aficionado will attest, you're an amateur unless you have a MAG58 on a tripod with a C2 sight. That'll keep kids off the neighbours lawn 2km away!
     
    Also I miss days like this:
     



  • Those guys are waaay to serious. On behalf of the NRA who I suspect are seriously under-represented here I will post this.
     
    Don't watch it - and especially don't let your kids watch it.
     



  • A toy compared to the M60.

    I know which one I'd prefer to hump around the bush...



  • I'm aware it's a gross generalisation, but what a sorry bunch of losers those gun nerds all looked.
     
    Plus they all seemed more interested in their guns than the bazookas



  • This is a few year ago, but equally as relevant now.
     



  • Those guys are waaay to serious. On behalf of the NRA who I suspect are seriously under-represented here I will post this.
     
    Don't watch it - and especially don't let your kids watch it.
     

    Did the interviewer get lost on her way to zumba?



  • Did the interviewer get lost on her way to zumba?

    I think she's exercising her rights under the second amendment - the right to bare arms....and other skimpy clothes!



  • Everyone is welcoming to post dorky sword videos too.



  • I know which one I'd prefer to hump around the bush...

    I suspect it was all part of the plan to get women into the armed corps.



  • I would crawl through a desert on broken glass just to hear her fire that gun.



  • This is a few year ago, but equally as relevant now.
     

    Just nails it really. Always shits me when these nutbars talk about the second amendment and founding fathers. As this dude says:



  • Did the interviewer get lost on her way to zumba?

    She does some excellent & instructional yoga videos. If they are anything to go by thats WAY more clothes than she wars for zumba. And by WAY I mean all.
     
    Also Olivia Munn at the start there (now psyplops in Xmen), that was a great show.



  • She does some excellent & instructional yoga videos. If they are anything to go by thats WAY more clothes than she wars for zumba. And by WAY I mean all.
     
    Also Olivia Munn at the start there (now psyplops in Xmen), that was a great show.

    Oh, she's a playmate of the year...... :rolleyes:



  • She does some excellent & instructional yoga videos. If they are anything to go by thats WAY more clothes than she wars for zumba. And by WAY I mean all.
    Also Olivia Munn at the start there (now psyplops in Xmen), that was a great show.

    Not that I doubt you but I need to confirm all this for myself.



  • And now a British MP, Jo Cox was stabbed and shot overnight dying of her injuries. A local, some recluse who was heard shouting Britain First has been taken into custody.



  • Awful 😞  It'll be interesting to hear the motivation behind the attack. I've heard allegations of mental illness as well as multiple witness accounts of the shooter yelling Britain First.  Edit: Thomas Mair named as the individual arrested for this murderhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jo-cox-dead-thomas-mair-suspect-south-africa-apartheid-a7086426.html The man arrested over the killing of Labour MP Jo Cox is believed to have had long-term links with a hard-right group based in London which had been campaigning for many years for Britain to leave the European Union. Thomas Mair was named as a supporter in an online publication of the Springbok Club, an organisation which has defended the white supremacist apartheid regime in South Africa.Witnesses to the fatal attack on Ms Cox say they heard Mair shout “Britain First” as the MP was shot and then stabbed. The organisation Britain First, which was founded by former members of the British National Party, has denied that Mair was associated with it and say they condemn the killing.



  • Fucking whacko. Stabbing and shooting at the same time? Jeezus.



  • This is worth a read.  Sums up alot of points of view.
     
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/



  • https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/suspect-in-mp-killing-described-as-quiet-polite-and-reserved
    Given the character statements from those that lived near him, it seems more likely that the Thomas Mair named in the Springbok Club is not the same person.
    This case sounds more like a mental illness sufferer having an episode with tragic consequences.
    Who knows why he was yelling "Britain First"; I wouldn't be surprised if he can't explain it either.
    EDIT: Seems like I was wrong
    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/06/16/alleged-killer-british-mp-was-longtime-supporter-neo-nazi-national-alliance



  • Fucking whacko. Stabbing and shooting at the same time? Jeezus.

    And they say men can't multi task.



  • And they say men can't multi task.



  • And they say men can't multi task.



  • This is worth a read.  Sums up alot of points of view.
     
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/

    That's a good read MR, ta
     
    One excerpt I thought poignant:
     
    So, no, Nigel Farage isn’t responsible for Jo Cox’s murder. And nor is the Leave campaign. But they are responsible for the manner in which they have pressed their argument. They weren’t to know something like this was going to happen, of course, and they will be just as shocked and horrified by it as anyone else.
    But, still. Look. When you encourage rage you cannot then feign surprise when people become enraged. You cannot turn around and say, ‘Mate, you weren’t supposed to take it so seriously. It’s just a game, just a ploy, a strategy for winning votes.’
    When you shout BREAKING POINT over and over again, you don’t get to be surprised when someone breaks. When you present politics as a matter of life and death, as a question of national survival, don’t be surprised if someone takes you at your word. You didn’t make them do it, no, but you didn’t do much to stop it either.
    Sometimes rhetoric has consequences. If you spend days, weeks, months, years telling people they are under threat, that their country has been stolen from them, that they have been betrayed and sold down the river, that their birthright has been pilfered, that their problem is they’re too slow to realise any of this is happening, that their problem is they’re not sufficiently mad as hell, then at some point, in some place, something or someone is going to snap. And then something terrible is going to happen.



  • Siam I thought something similar might happen during the lead up to the signup to the tppa the lies and misinformation bring spread by bits opponents was something to behold .



  • Siam I thought something similar might happen during the lead up to the signup to the tppa the lies and misinformation bring spread by bits opponents was something to behold .

    It's worth noting that this rhetoric can easily be taken to extremes by people predisposed to getting a bit antsy.
     
    In our lives we've all come across characters that were a bit highly strung and what with some of the reality TV garbage and repetitive crap in the media, it's not inconceivable that people feel threatened by things that aren't actually a threat. 
     
    Looking back on my time in Asia, because I never listened to talkback radio or watched any mainstream TV (the language barrier) it was quite amazing how generally relaxed and unperturbed life is without the constant bashing of mainstream media. Ignorance really is bliss



  • Looking back on my time in Asia, because I never listened to talkback radio or watched any mainstream TV (the language barrier) it was quite amazing how generally relaxed and unperturbed life is without the constant bashing of mainstream media. Ignorance really is bliss

    Well, yes that and you are living in a country with beautiful woman, a warm climate and cheap beer.



  • Well, yes that and you are living in a country with beautiful woman, a warm climate and cheap beer.

    True rage. 
     
    However Thailand is a significant topic in this thread as their gun homocide rate ain't too far from the yanks. Also this place is on a steady decline which will only get worse when the monarch passes on. Gun crime is huge here too and it all stems from unenforced regulations and a proliferation of guns. Definitely everyday multiple people are killed by guns here, not even mentioning the terrorism in the south that would have the western world in apoplexy if they got daily coverage of that carnage - from 2004-2015, 6500 dead, 12000 injured (civilians, kids, schools being bombed, teachers gunned down in classrooms) in that cluster fuck.



  • yeah, it doesn't get anything like the coverage that it probably should.  I guess it's because they aren't bringing their trouble to the west.
     
    I barely even read past the headline about a bomb, shooting, massive event with loss of life when I see it was in the middle east/ africa /pakistan etc.  It's not that I don't care about the loss of life, it's just that it shouldn't really affect me.  Where as these sorts of things in Western countries could.
     
    Given the high percentage of people who do travel to Thailand though, it really should be made more in your face, although I've never met anybody who has spent a significant amount (re - any, really) of time down in the affected areas.



  • 	Gun shop sells 30,000 AR-15 assault rifles in just one week
    By Matt Young
    8:42 PM Tuesday Jun 21, 2016
     
    

    An AR-15 semi-automatic gun for sale at Action Target Springville, Utah. Photo / Getty
    Just when you thought you couldn't be any more dismayed by America's gun crisis, comes this depressing nugget of information.
    Despite the fight for gun control making waves across the world in the week since a terrorist attack in an Orlando nightclub that left 49 dead and 53 wounded, one online gun shop has sold a whopping 30,000 AR-15 rifles.
    Let me repeat that: 30,000 guns sold in ONE WEEK.
    Hunter's Warehouse owner Tom Engle told Fox Business' Stuart Varney that weapons in his online shop, with an inventory of 300,000 to 400,000 guns, have in fact flown off the shelves in the week since the massacre.
    "In particular the AR-15 has been selling very, very well," Mr Engle said from Pennsylvania.
    223 ammunition and a 30 round clip for an AR-15 semi-automatic gun for sale at Action Target. Photo / Getty

    Overnight, the Republican-controlled US Senate rejected four competing gun control measures just days after the Orlando club massacre, highlighting the stalling feud over an issue that refuses to die down during a heated presidential election year.
    Even as they sought to appear keen to take action following the deadliest shooting in US history, Republicans and Democrats voted down four amendments - two from each party - that would have limited some gun purchases, including those by suspected terrorists.
    It comes as shocking figures reveal that FIVE MILLION Americans own an AR-15, according to the National Shooting Sports Federation.
    The sad fact? Assault-style weapons were outlawed in 1994 but were reintroduced into American culture after the ban expired in 2004 when Congress failed to renew it.

     A gun shop owner has described the AR-15 as basically a giant Lego kit for grown-ups. Photo / GettyAnd they're not just your typical hand guns. The 30,000 guns sold to trigger-happy Americans across the country are from one particular type of rifle, the AR-15. And the AR-15 is no ordinary gun.
    

    With prices ranging from $350-$8000 a pop, the AR-15, an evolution of the US military's M-16 rifle, is manufactured by dozens of gun makers, including Smith & Wesson and Sturm Ruger.
    Unlike its military relative, the AR-15, developed in 1958, is semiautomatic, but it's enough to do a whole lot of damage. Its advantage includes firing multiple rounds quickly, and its ability to reload ammunition at a speedy pace.
    And it doesn't help when shooting AR-15s are as sexualised as this.
    Julia shooting an AR-15 for the first time
    Assault-style rifles have been used in 14 public mass shootings in the last decade alone. An incredible half of those shootings have occurred since June 2015.
    It was a Bushmaster XM-15 (a variant of the AR-15) that gunman Adam Lanza "largely relied on" to kill 26 people, mainly children, at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012 - the deadliest mass shooting at a high school or primary school in US history and the third-deadliest mass shooting by a single person in US history.
    A version of same rifle was used to kill nine people at Umpqua Community College in Oregon in October. So were the 14 who were killed in San Bernardino.
    It was also the weapon used in the murders of 12 people - including Jessi Ghawi - at a Colorado movie theatre in 2012.
    "America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms," American-born al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn said in 2011.
    "You can go down to a gun show at the local convention centre and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?"
    Even those on terrorist watch lists aren't prohibited from purchasing a gun.
    But Mr Engle believes it's not the overwhelming amount of massacres prompting Americans to buy guns, it's the government's fault.
    "Shootings don't push up gun sales, he said.
    "It's when the government starts talking about banning particular guns and up go gun sales.
    "When people lose their right to buy a particular gun or a particular type of gun, they go after them and they want them then."
    Three variations of the AR-15 assault rifle are displayed at the California Department of Justice in Sacramento, California. Photo / APCould this be true? Why is this type of gun so popular with your average American?
    "With the AR platform, a person with absolutely no gunsmithing expertise can buy one gun and a bunch of accessories, and optimise that gun for the application at hand. You can even make an AR-15 into a pistol," Texan gun owner Jon Stokes wrote on Vox.
    "Cops and civilians buy AR-15s because that one gun can be adapted to an infinite variety of sporting, hunting, and use-of-force scenarios by an amateur with a few simple tools.
    "In this respect, the AR-15 is basically a giant Lego kit for grown-ups."
    "The rifle's popularity is almost certainly the main reason why mass shooters increasingly reach for it when they go on a rampage. Think about it: If you're planning to shoot up a room full of people, are you going to reach for a rare, exotic weapon that you have little experience with, or will you select the familiar option that's easy to train with and that you have plenty of practice time behind?
    "The answer, for anybody who shoots, is the latter."
    Even the NRA has brashly stated that AR-15s are "virtually never misused", claiming "many are kept for home protection, particularly now that carbine versions are available in many configurations suited for defence in the close spaces of a home, often in low light conditions."
    Overnight in the Senate, the two Democratic texts sought to bar those on FBI watchlists or no-fly lists from buying firearms, and to strengthen criminal and mental health background checks for those seeking to purchase firearms at gun shows and on the internet.
    Republicans are opposed to those measures - in general, they oppose any effort to limit gun rights, saying they are protected by the US Constitution's Second Amendment.
    David Barker test fires an AR-15 semi-automatic gun. Semi-automatics are in the news again after the Orlando nightclub shooting. Photo / GettyThey proposed a 72-hour waiting period for those on FBI watchlists seeking to buy weapons, so that the government has time to seek a court order to block the sale if need be.
    The second Republican proposal aimed to improve the background check system. Democrats rejected both GOP measures.
    Such efforts often struggle to pass the Senate, where 60 of 100 votes are needed for legislation to advance.
    The Senate voted on similar measures in the wake of the December 2012 Connecticut school massacre and the San Bernardino attacks last year, but to no avail.
    "Every single senator wants to deny terrorists access to guns they use to harm innocent civilians, but there's a right way to do things and a wrong way," said Republican Senator John Cornyn of Texas.
    Senate Democrat Dick Durbin was livid at the failure of politicians to come together on such a pressing issue after yet another shooting.
    "Tonight, the Senate turned its back on victims of gun violence from Orlando to San Bernardino, from Newtown to the streets of Chicago," Durbin said in a statement.
    Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton has spoken out at length about the need to curb gun violence in the week since the Orlando tragedy, but she had a shorter message Monday.
    "Enough," she said in a one-word statement.

    The government are surely in the pay of the NRA.
     
    The article below suggests 71% of respondents in a reuters poll support at least moderate gun control measures
     
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/81297784/us-senate-rejects-guncontrol-measures-after-orlando-shooting



  • The government are surely in the pay of the NRA.

    http://www.theonion.com/article/concerned-nra-official-rushes-out-purchase-congres-53084
     
    WASHINGTON—Admitting he felt “scared and nervous” after the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history at an Orlando, FL nightclub, NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre reportedly rushed out of his home early Monday to buy a congressman. “When I saw what happened in Orlando, I wanted to make sure that I was able to properly defend myself,” LaPierre told reporters after driving to the nearest congressional office to buy the most reliable and powerful legislator he could find. “I already have some others, but I figured getting one more couldn’t hurt, especially after something like this. It gives me peace of mind knowing that if I ever feel threatened or come under attack, I can always use my senators or representatives to fight back.” LaPierre added that he is simply glad to live in a country where he can freely and legally own as many elected officials as he wants in order to protect what he values most.
     
    And non Onion -
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/nra-donations/
     
    Click on Florida. The NRA has directly contributed to 16 Florida current congressmen. All Republicans. So yes. They are very much in the pay of the NRA. Its not even hidden. and thats just the NRA
     
    https://www.opensecrets.org/news/issues/guns/
     
    Here's all gun related payments. Thats the beauty of America. If you want to own a senator or a Congressman you can, and you don't even have to hide it. And the senators who are owned by the NRA are almost all Republican. The Dems tend to be owned by Lawyers, Unions & Phama.



  • True rage. 
     
    However Thailand is a significant topic in this thread as their gun homocide rate ain't too far from the yanks. Also this place is on a steady decline which will only get worse when the monarch passes on. Gun crime is huge here too and it all stems from unenforced regulations and a proliferation of guns. Definitely everyday multiple people are killed by guns here, not even mentioning the terrorism in the south that would have the western world in apoplexy if they got daily coverage of that carnage - from 2004-2015, 6500 dead, 12000 injured (civilians, kids, schools being bombed, teachers gunned down in classrooms) in that cluster fuck.

    Yeah, the Indonesian military has been butchering local Melanesian people in West Papua (the western half of the Island shared with Papua New Guinea) for the past 50 - 60 years so that international mining companies can have free reign to exploit the place as much as they want. The place shouldn't even be under Indonesian control, they took it illegally in the 50s. Something like 500,000 native West Papuan's slaughtered right on Australia's doorstep. So pretty much genocide. But does it get any coverage at all? Nup, basically nothing. Most people don't have a clue it's even happening. It's pretty shitty, but western media will only focus on (and be outraged about) things that affect western countries.



  • West Papua is a stain on every Pacific government. That shit is disgusting, and it's ignored.



  • Thats the beauty of America. If you want to own a senator or a Congressman you can, and you don't even have to hide it. And the senators who are owned by the NRA are almost all Republican. The Dems tend to be owned by Lawyers, Unions & Phama.

    Closest thing to pure capitalism we have. Amazing.
    Love that onion article



  • How about that pink AR-15 for the woman in your life that has everything.  If that isn't love I don't know what is



  • They make the carbine (short) version for kids as well - nothing more special than Daddy-Daughter gun day.


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