Naholo ... Yay or Nay?



  • Pretty straight forward.. time to pin your colours to the mast. 
    I am a fan.. and think he will only get betterer and betterist..



  • I'm a fan. I thought he was better in test 2. He drew and passed nicely to TJP I think it was instead of being a hungus.
     
    Yes there are still some rough areas (but I feel this is overblown) but his overall commitment is great and he has a ton of x factor.
     
    I thought the back 3 worked great together on the weekend and they all did well.



  • I'm not a fan at this moment, I don't think his upside is outstripping his downside.
     
    Happy for him to prove me wrong over the next few years.



  • fan, probably as you can see he is far form the finished article, and that is obviously a good thing.
     
    reckon over all he is about 50/50 in his 2 test matches for good vs bad



  • Unsure how to answer.
     
    Do i think he's a good test player at the moment? No, far too many rough edges, work ons, and weaknesses to be called that.
    Do i think he's a weapon worth persisting with? Yes, he's big, strong, and has mad wheels. He's also not shy about going looking for the ball.



  • I'm not a fan at this moment, I don't think his upside is outstripping his downside.
     
    Happy for him to prove me wrong over the next few years.

    Me three!
     
    I hope he gets better and I can once again be proved wrong by an AB but at the moment, it's a neigh from me which isn't as bad as a whinny



  • Unsure how to answer.
     
    Do i think he's a good test player at the moment? No, far too many rough edges, work ons, and weaknesses to be called that.
    Do i think he's a weapon worth persisting with? Yes, he's big, strong, and has mad wheels. He's also not shy about going looking for the ball.

    Your answer is yes then as you seem to be a fan of his potential. I think anyone claiming he is the finished product at test level is a bit deluded.



  • if that's the criteria, then it's a yes for me then. 
     
    But, it's not even finished product, i am not convinced he's even a good test player yet. But the big word there is yet, and he's showing enough of a threat to keep him in (especially given J Savea's current state, and NMS's injury, and the paucity behind them).



  • Unsure how to answer.
     
    Do i think he's a good test player at the moment? No, far too many rough edges, work ons, and weaknesses to be called that.
    Do i think he's a weapon worth persisting with? Yes, he's big, strong, and has mad wheels. He's also not shy about going looking for the ball.

    This plus I don't really think we have many better options. I'd like to see Lowe given a shot but he has a lot of the same rough edges.



  • He is a big fucker and he makes ground on every carry. Savea used to do this but now falls over as soon as theres contact. Naholo makes ground everytime, sure there a some densive frailties but hell get there.
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  • Pretty straight forward.. time to pin your colours to the mast. 
    I am a fan.. and think he will only get betterer and betterist..

    In the current squad or all time ?
     
    Put me down as a fan who thinks he has work ons.....



  • Not voting because I'm still on the fence.
     
    I just hope Savea gets back to his best (and NMS healthy), just long enough for the next group of wingers to come through. The likes of Shaun Stevenson, Mason Emerson & co if they continue to improve. Obviously, I'd like to see Waisake continue to improve as well. I hope he'll be a great winger at test level asap.



  • Jury still out for me , lots of upside ,
    But going back to last years WC , what I have seen this year confirms to me that selection was a mistake , he wasn't ready for a World Cup final , and piatau should have been selected .
    Lucky it didn't bite us on the arse , one injury away from having to play him .( maybe two if you played Slade ? )



  • Yes for me - his acceleration is deadly. We went to the game and he has this surge of speed just ahead of contact that really puts the defender on the back foot. The stuff he is raw on (positioning mainly) will get improved from his time in the AB's. A few more tests and work with the AB's coaching staff and he'll be well on his way.



  • But going back to last years WC , what I have seen this year conforms to me that selection was a mistake , he wasn't ready for a World Cup final , and piatau should have been selected .

    Pretty valid point, I think!
     
    You can see why they like him, but he needs some polish.



  • Not voting because I'm still on the fence.
     
    I just hope Savea gets back to his best (and NMS healthy), just long enough for the next group of wingers to come through. The likes of Shaun Stevenson, Mason Emerson & co if they continue to improve. Obviously, I'd like to see Waisake continue to improve as well. I hope he'll be a great winger at test level asap.

    Jury still out for me , lots of upside ,
    But going back to last years WC , what I have seen this year conforms to me that selection was a mistake , he wasn't ready for a World Cup final , and piatau should have been selected .
    Lucky it didn't bite us on the arse , one injury away from having to play him .( maybe two if you played Slade ? )

    Aww c'mon
     
     
    That is so weak sauce.



  • it would seem he has a HUGE upside, and is being selected on that, as the error rate isn't what you would expect from an AB...fortunate for him that Savea is woefully out of form and NMS is injured.



  • Unsure how to answer.
     
    Do i think he's a good test player at the moment? No, far too many rough edges, work ons, and weaknesses to be called that.
    Do i think he's a weapon worth persisting with? Yes, he's big, strong, and has mad wheels. He's also not shy about going looking for the ball.

    I agree - a bit hard to answer.
     
    I voted no to even things out 🙂
     
    Actually, I voted no because I think that he isn't quite ready for 4 nations rugby, where I think we might get punished because of his shitty decisions. Hope I'm wrong.
     
    On the other hand, as we all know, he's a massive weapon.
     
    Right now, I'd probably have him on the Dmac path, but I assume that playing him is what the cartel think is best way to develop him. Plus, Savea is shit and NMS is out.



  • Too many upsides to ignore, a few rough edges to sort out.  Performance also suffering from being outside a midfield that is sputtering a bit right now.



  • Lots of upside as others have stated.  Other than Smith what other wingers in NZ (non injured), have his pace, size and matching winning potential.  Has work ons but I can live with that.



  • most of what he's been doing wrong (eg the handling and timing errors) he generally doesn't do wrong for the highlanders, so i think/hope a fair bit of his ups and downs are just down to confidence that will come with time being in the team. i wouldn't want to have to try and tackle him, i know that much.



  • I'm a fan. I'm sure after more time in the black jersey the rough edges in his game will be sorted out.



  • His potential is enormous, but he does too much stupid shit, the type of stupid shit that loses games. I really hope they can bang some smarts into him because he could be a legend.



  • I chose yes because I think he has potential to be awesome.  But he has to at least get his per game brainfart average down well below Wayne Barnes' for me to not worry about him costing us in a game



  • Would prefer he was playing for Fiji like Patrick Osborne. Rate him as a player though.



  • Im keen to see him in the team , if only because he shows Savea he's not indispensable . He's got plenty to work on though.



  • A big fan of his upside. Strong at super rugby level, esp. 2015, in a team that developed a very successful attacking game plan around his attributes. Gives me confidence that he is very coachable and malleable. A bit nervous about how he'll go in Sydney in about 2 months so needs 80 this week to get him closer.



  • Yep stick with him
     
    Too much upside in what he's naturally capable of
     
    If you want to go for error free wingers invariably you get stuck with Rob Horne, Dane HP, Caleb Ralph etc - no thanks!!



  • When NMS gets back he's probably fighting for a place with Dagg and Smith as the hybrid wing/15s, Savea and Naholo will fight it out for the power wing spot



  • I think there is definate upside with him. But I also think he won't be a long term AB wing. He'll switch places back & fowards with Savea as the AB power wing without ever really nailing it. We'll be having this debate again next year.



  • That in its self is a positive , Savea doesnt have a mortgage on the 11 jersey anymore through lack of competition



  • That in its self is a positive , Savea doesnt have a mortgage on the 11 jersey anymore through lack of competition

    Yeah, he's had competition in the past few years but its been pretty shithouse by AB standards - Osbourne, Gear, Ranger. The plus now is we can actually drop him & not have the quality of our wing fall off a cliff



  • I actually thought Piutau looked pretty good on the left last year  , but that wasnt to be



  • I actually thought Piutau looked pretty good on the left last year  , but that wasnt to be

    If he'd stayed we wouldn't need to have these debates.  Way too early to give up on Naholo.  I recall how long it took for Ma'a to get widespread acceptance in black



  • If he'd stayed we wouldn't need to have these debates.  Way too early to give up on Naholo.  I recall how long it took for Ma'a to get widespread acceptance in black

    Yep, Piatau stays we'd be discussing about whether it'd be worth giving Naholo a second cap sometime this year & if Savea will ever get his shirt back. One of the only players to go overseas & be a huge loss



  • He makes me remind of the young Nonu : lots of potential but brainfarts from time to time. He will work, improve and become a great weapon for the AB.



  • I cut him a little slack on his error rate if it comes from constantly looking for work. I think Hansen said in the first test Savea touched the ball 4 times v Naholo's 17. Considering the high velocity those touches occur with a player like Naholo (hitting the line at speed, contestable kicks, etc), the error rate will always be on the high side. Hopefully he can tighten it up more though.
     
    I've seen enough in his tests so far to suggest that he could reach a similar level of comfort/impact as he does at Super Rugby, and if he does that he'll be amazing.



  • I cut him a little slack on his error rate if it comes from constantly looking for work. I think Hansen said in the first test Savea touched the ball 4 times v Naholo's 17. Considering the high velocity those touches occur with a player like Naholo (hitting the line at speed, contestable kicks, etc), the error rate will always be on the high side. Hopefully he can tighten it up more though.
     
    I've seen enough in his tests so far to suggest that he could reach a similar level of comfort/impact as he does at Super Rugby, and if he does that he'll be amazing.

    Yeah I do like how he gets in behind the ruck and has a go Sivi styles - although he probably doesn't need to do that quite so much.



  • I thought it was a disaster taking him to the World Cup and there was no way he could have been trusted in the knockout phases. However he still has a lot of upside so a fan for now.



  • A fan, but far from the finished product.
     
    The plot could thicken going forward as Hansen has said on a couple of occasions he could see him playing centre. If that happens we undoubtedly would have a Toeava part 2 situation on our hands.


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