NSW Bans Greyhound Racing



  • Look, I'm not much of a racing person in general, not for horses, or the dishlickers. The dogs always look a bit sleazy to me.
     
    But this seems to be a pretty extreme move to police a practice (it isn't a sport IMHO) which obviously has a raft of issues to deal with.
     
    Obviously, animal welfare groups are thrilled, the racing industry is in uproar, particularly following the Baird government's moves on lockout laws etc.
     
    Some are saying its a land grab by the Baird government for Wentworth Park dog track just outside the CBD.
     
    Others are saying it'll chase gamblers from the dogs into the casino that Packer is building on the edge of the CBD.
     
    In any case, I don't quite know what to make of it. I'm against anyone hurting animals in general, but what happens to all the hounds currently on the scene? Do they just get put down or what? Move to the ACT where its not currently banned? Interstate?
     
    http://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/concerned-reaction-over-nsws-ban-of-greyhound-racing/news-story/705d5724c06561a956c5debfa16366c1



  • Some are saying its a land grab by the Baird government for Wentworth Park dog track

    He's ruled that out, and said it will be used for public space or sports facilities. Smart money is on a multi-purpose rectangular indoor stadium for netball, basketball, tennis etc.

    Others are saying it'll chase gamblers from the dogs into the casino that Packer is building on the edge of the CBD.

    Pet peeve of mine - it's not a casino. It's a six star hotel (something Sydney really needs), with a huge shopping precinct. About 1% of the building is a casino, which can only be accessed by invitation.

    In any case, I don't quite know what to make of it. I'm against anyone hurting animals in general, but what happens to all the hounds currently on the scene? Do they just get put down or what? Move to the ACT where its not currently banned? Interstate?

    ACT have just announced they are banning too.
     
    I'm very pro this decision. 10k dogs are being killed each year in NSW alone, for no good reason. I'm not an animal rights nut by any stretch, but I honestly can't condone an industry that relies that much on cruelty.
     
    I love a bet on the dogs, but some of the stuff in the report is chilling, and the 7:30 report footage... very hard to watch.



  • He's ruled that out, and said it will be used for public space or sports facilities. Smart money is on a multi-purpose rectangular indoor stadium for netball, basketball, tennis etc.
     
     
     
    Pet peeve of mine - it's not a casino. It's a six star hotel (something Sydney really needs), with a huge shopping precinct. About 1% of the building is a casino, which can only be accessed by invitation.
     
     
     
    ACT have just announced they are banning too.
     
    I'm very pro this decision. 10k dogs are being killed each year in NSW alone, for no good reason. I'm not an animal rights nut by any stretch, but I honestly can't condone an industry that relies that much on cruelty.
     
    I love a bet on the dogs, but some of the stuff in the report is chilling, and the 7:30 report footage... very hard to watch.

    It was only a matter of time before one of the of the jurisdictions stepped in and made the decision. The cruelty and disregard for any regulation has been going on for years.



  • Did you see some of the tweets? Claiming 1000 jobs could be lost, 6000 owners affected.
     
    Its a shame that lowest common denominator has pissed all over the people who genuinely looked after their dogs, but unfortunately that's the way laws work: something fucks up badly or often enough, and you have to step in.
     
     


     
     

     
     

     
     

     
     



  • I dont suppose we will ever see this Aussie classic music video again , thats about as close as I got to Greyhound Racing 
     



  • Good. This is an excellent outcome. Greyhound racing is a "sport" that relies on immense cruelty. I've been to the dogs once and it was awful. Filthy fat poorly dressed bogans everywhere. The members bar appeared to be a couple of eskies in a canteen staffed by toothless harridan. The catering looked to be a dead cat.
     
    Apparently it's shit for the dogs too.



  • Hmmm. I'm a bit indifferent on this. I haven't had a chance to read about it but if the case is that 10,000 dogs die a year, so fucking what? Count how many dairy cows are culled each year due to performance issues.



  • Point taken Hooroo - doesn't make either one right, but yeah they're not about to ban dairy farming.
     
    I guess when people hear "dog" they see "pet". Cows, less so.



  • Hmmm. I'm a bit indifferent on this. I haven't had a chance to read about it but if the case is that 10,000 dogs die a year, so fucking what? Count how many dairy cows are culled each year due to performance issues.

    I drink milk.



  • Yeah I suppose the argument is the animals in farming serve a broader purpose for humanity - we consume them or their produce.
     
    Greyhound racing is, more or less, for shits and giggles when you break it all down. The dogs are just disposable, and it's not like they bring any broad benefits to society like farm animals do.


  • Banned

    Hmmm shouldn't they be given a chance to reform the sport rather than just banning it? Seems a bit extreme. Now what's going to happen to these dogs bred for racing? Thousands will be put down won't they?



  • They have been given the chance, Rancid. More than once. But the enquiry found that they continued to ignore the abuse present in the industry, and actively cover it up.
     
    The big question is about the dogs, I agree. Hopefully they can do a big push for pet adoption, though I imagine a lot would be sold/moved to race in other states.



  • As I say I am indifferent. I don't really mind if it is banned.  Jumps racing will be next I imagine.


  • Banned

    They have been given the chance, Rancid. More than once. But the enquiry found that they continued to ignore the abuse present in the industry, and actively cover it up.
    The big question is about the dogs, I agree. Hopefully they can do a big push for pet adoption, though I imagine a lot would be sold/moved to race in other states.

    It just seems incredibly draconian to ban an entire industry when the majority aren't doing anything wrong.



  • They've had decades to clean up their act and as an industry they've colluded, obfuscated and turned a blind eye to issues they've known about for decades. Their hubris is demonstrated perfectly by the interview I was listening to on 666 ABC this morning with the CEO of Richmond Race Club who honestly thought they'd just get rapped over the knuckles in the report. Fuck 'em.



  • I'll put a plug in for the Greyhounds as pets group in NZ: http://greyhoundsaspets.org.nz/
     
    A great way of avoiding the dogs potentially being put to sleep after they've been retired from their racing careers (or are unsuited for racing for whatever reason).



  • They have been given the chance, Rancid. More than once. But the enquiry found that they continued to ignore the abuse present in the industry, and actively cover it up.
     
    The big question is about the dogs, I agree. Hopefully they can do a big push for pet adoption, though I imagine a lot would be sold/moved to race in other states.

    Generally they make hopeless pets as they are train to chase and kill pretty much. Our Neighbour had one and it had to be put down eventually. Cleaned up all the Rabbits on the farm but.... and all the domestic cats in the district..... 🙂



  • I'll put a plug in for the Greyhounds as pets group in NZ: http://greyhoundsaspets.org.nz/
     
    A great way of avoiding the dogs potentially being put to sleep after they've been retired from their racing careers (or are unsuited for racing for whatever reason).

    I do like that initiative but it takes a while to retrain. I can't see it being a solution for NSW and ACT.



  • Generally they make hopeless pets as they are train to chase and kill pretty much. Our Neighbour had one and it had to be put down eventually. Cleaned up all the Rabbits on the farm but.... and all the domestic cats in the district..... 🙂

    Interesting - my brother and family have had the opposite experience. I suppose there's a bit of work done in selecting the most suitable for rehoming... in this case the cats remained the boss of the house! 🙂



  • You're most likey right.
     
    In the same way you can't rehome all race horses as some of them are just nasty pieces of work.



  • Greyhounds are meant to be great pets. Obviously, lots of them can't live with cats but if you keep them under control and don't own a cat then there shouldn't be a problem.



  • Fuck cats.



  • Greyhounds are meant to be great pets. Obviously, lots of them can't live with cats but if you keep them under control and don't own a cat then there shouldn't be a problem.
    Great too if you want them to run end grab your slippers or newspaper in 2.1 seconds


  • Banned

    They've had decades to clean up their act and as an industry they've colluded, obfuscated and turned a blind eye to issues they've known about for decades. Their hubris is demonstrated perfectly by the interview I was listening to on 666 ABC this morning with the CEO of Richmond Race Club who honestly thought they'd just get rapped over the knuckles in the report. Fuck 'em.

    Any industry will engage in some dodgy shit if it can get away with it. Perhaps the NSW govt should have gone in harder with root and branch reform rather than a blanket ban. I know nothing about greyhound racing, but does the sport itself fit the definition of animal cruelty.



  • is the actual report publicly available?



  • Any industry will engage in some dodgy shit if it can get away with it. Perhaps the NSW govt should have gone in harder with root and branch reform rather than a blanket ban. I know nothing about greyhound racing, but does the sport itself fit the definition of animal cruelty.

    The sport itself? Certainly not. Greyhounds were bred to chase small things and run fast. Saying greyhound racing is cruel would be like saying it's cruel to make a border collie herd sheep.
     
    It was more the way the greyhounds were kept at the track, the fatality numbers and the prevalence of live baiting. This is a link to the report.





  • is the actual report publicly available?

    http://www.greyhoundracinginquiry.justice.nsw.gov.au/ 
     
    beat me to it antipodean!



  • Greyhounds are meant to be great pets. Obviously, lots of them can't live with cats but if you keep them under control and don't own a cat then there shouldn't be a problem.

    Yes Animal shelters looking for homes for Dogs always seem to have a few , 
     
    I know a girl who does voluntary dog walking at one, she said they are the most level headed calm sensible dogs when around humans , make great pets


  • Banned

    The sport itself? Certainly not. Greyhounds were bred to chase small things and run fast. Saying greyhound racing is cruel would be like saying it's cruel to make a border collie herd sheep.
    It was more the way the greyhounds were kept at the track, the fatality numbers and the prevalence of live baiting. This is a link to the report.

    I realise that and obviously that has to be fixed. But if the sport itself is sound they why ban it? It's not like it's cockfighting or dog fighting.
    And please no puns about cockfighting please...



  • They've had decades to clean up their act and as an industry they've colluded, obfuscated and turned a blind eye to issues they've known about for decades.

    That sounds a lot like the Catholic church. Hopefully they will be next to be banned.



  • Fuck cats.

    Yep, if you get a good pet dog AND they clean up some cats, win-win.



  • Fuck cats.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
     
    A dog has no dignity, a cat is a noble creature. Don't denigrate the superior animal just because you want a slave.



  • Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
    A dog has no dignity, a cat is a noble creature. Don't denigrate the superior animal just because you want a slave.

    I want a loyal friend. I have fluffybunnies at work.



  • Yep, if you get a good pet dog AND they clean up some cats, win-win.

    My favourite cat used to beat up dogs. Helped that he was the size of one.



  • Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
     
    A dog has no dignity, a cat is a noble creature. Don't denigrate the superior animal just because you want a slave.

    cats are as dumb as fuck. that's why they can't be taught to do fuck all - but they are also lazy and weak-willed, which is why they can be domesticated so easily.
    how people can try to claim their inability to learn is some sort of 'i'll do what i like' superiority or positive character trait is beyond me - imagine if you adopted that logic with a child.




  • This is Lexi our youngest Golden Retreiver being smoked by our cat, Possum.
    Roles now reversed. Lex now smokes possum..... Then possum licks Lexi's head 🙂



  • Text book tackle I might add


  • Banned

    cats are as dumb as fuck. that's why they can't be taught to do fuck all - but they are also lazy and weak-willed, which is why they can be domesticated so easily.
    how people can try to claim their inability to learn is some sort of 'i'll do what i like' superiority or positive character trait is beyond me - imagine if you adopted that logic with a child.

    Boulder dash. Cats are too smart to do any of that shit. They don't see the point. Dogs are retarded. That's why they'll endlessly run after a stick, or remain loyal even if they're totally neglected. With cats you have to win their respect. Dogs are too stupid to realise they have an option. And you have to wash the grotty bastards.



  • Cats have been shown in meta-studies to have superior longterm memory to dogs - they do not forgive.
     
    Their relative intelligence cannot be determined, because they simply will not do anything they don't want to. Truly a noble and superior creature.


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